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Julia Pseudo
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Postby Julia Pseudo » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:06 pm
HenryRichard1234 wrote:Show me how people's physical bodies have gotten better over time. Show me how any animal has gotten better over time. Evolution is very flawed. All proof can be turned over to prove creationism to be true. Sure, I can't prove that creationism is true, but no one can prove that evolution is true. It's just one of those mysteries of life that no one can know the answer to for sure.
As I mentioned earlier in the topic, evolution is not a system of "progression" or of "getting better", it's just a change in traits over millions of years. Although it is unlikely due to the process of natural selection, organisms can in fact lose positive traits or gain negative traits through evolution.
Unlike creationism, there actually is a lot of evidence for evolution, and no actual scientific evidence for creationism. This Wikipedia article describes an ongoing experiment conducted by biologist Richard Lenski, which over the more than 25 years that the experiment has run, has shown actual tangible changes in the E. coli population tested.
While evolution as described by Darwin is surely flawed, it is FAR closer to the truth than creationism could ever hope to be, simply because it is a scientific theory that has been updated and adapted over many years when new information is gathered through experiments.
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Marina
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Postby Marina » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:06 pm
Intellectual-Panda wrote:HenryRichard1234 wrote:Show me how people's physical bodies have gotten better over time. Show me how any animal has gotten better over time. Evolution is very flawed. All proof can be turned over to prove creationism to be true. Sure, I can't prove that creationism is true, but no one can prove that evolution is true. It's just one of those mysteries of life that no one can know the answer to for sure.

This should do. Lol
I'mma just keep out of this from now on.
Let's just say Scientists think that evolution is real and because science is usually right, I chose to believe in evolution. Also what Bomber said.
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HenryRichard
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Postby HenryRichard » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:53 pm
Intellectual-Panda wrote:HenryRichard1234 wrote:Show me how people's physical bodies have gotten better over time. Show me how any animal has gotten better over time. Evolution is very flawed. All proof can be turned over to prove creationism to be true. Sure, I can't prove that creationism is true, but no one can prove that evolution is true. It's just one of those mysteries of life that no one can know the answer to for sure.


However, neither are really evidence, because no one actually witnessed it, so neither can be proven.
Also, Bomber57, the fact that two animals have similar DNA doesn't prove that they are related, but that they use similar parts, made by the same designer. A hamburger didn't "evolve" from a hot dog, even though they have similar parts.
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Panda
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Postby Panda » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:19 pm
HenryRichard1234 wrote:Intellectual-Panda wrote:HenryRichard1234 wrote:Show me how people's physical bodies have gotten better over time. Show me how any animal has gotten better over time. Evolution is very flawed. All proof can be turned over to prove creationism to be true. Sure, I can't prove that creationism is true, but no one can prove that evolution is true. It's just one of those mysteries of life that no one can know the answer to for sure.


However, neither are really evidence, because no one actually witnessed it, so neither can be proven.
Also, Bomber57, the fact that two animals have similar DNA doesn't prove that they are related, but that they use similar parts, made by the same designer. A hamburger didn't "evolve" from a hot dog, even though they have similar parts.
You're missing the part where these sites can only theorise. Science uses facts.
Also, the hot dog and hamburger thing is a bad analogy and doesn't disprove evolution.
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HeroOfRhyme
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Postby HeroOfRhyme » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:44 pm
I believe evolution, and everything it has to offer. Evolution is real, because science is using theories and multiple facts to prove evolution. Tell me something, What would you believe? Some random guy that tells you "the almighty god is the reason we exist, he created everything there is today, and we built onto it"? OR would to side to the more logical thing, being evolution. Where man has evolved through several stages, from being the first molecule of water on meteorites...to becoming a small algae plant, to turning into a sea creature, finally morphing into a land mammal and evolving into human? I think the latter is more correct. Besides, are you forgetting about the many eras that mankind have went through? That itself is evolution. And it evolved into today, the Modern Era.
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m4sterbr0s
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Postby m4sterbr0s » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:12 pm
I'll just say this.
Though I believe in God, I also do believe in evolution. I don't think it's wrong to believe in both, in my opinion. That being said, there has been evidence that has justified the theory of evolution, and I doubt that the research gone behind this is flawed or incorrect.
I'll make this comment though: just because you want to say evolution is right because of science doesn't mean anything. Stating the actual reasons why evolution is truth, like in Bomber57's post, shows that you really understand evolution instead of jumping on the "science is real and god isn't" bandwagon. That's just ignorance right there.
Another note: this topic should be about evolution, not debating the existence of God or a god, or even religion. Moreover, this topic is not about trashing, mocking, or disrespecting theists, as I've seen here.
Going to lock this; no reason to have this open at this point.
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aero
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Postby aero » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:46 pm
m4sterbr0s wrote:I'll just say this.
Though I believe in God, I also do believe in evolution. I don't think it's wrong to believe in both, in my opinion. That being said, there has been evidence that has justified the theory of evolution, and I doubt that the research gone behind this is flawed or incorrect.
I'll make this comment though: just because you want to say evolution is right because of science doesn't mean anything. Stating the actual reasons why evolution is truth, like in Bomber57's post, shows that you really understand evolution instead of jumping on the "science is real and god isn't" bandwagon. That's just ignorance right there.
Another note: this topic should be about evolution, not debating the existence of God or a god, or even religion. Moreover, this topic is not about trashing, mocking, or disrespecting theists, as I've seen here.
Going to lock this; no reason to have this open at this point.
I'm going to unlock this, but keep in mind what m4sterbr0s said and keep on the topic of evolution without debating religion, otherwise this topic will need to stay locked. Thanks.
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HeroOfRhyme
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Postby HeroOfRhyme » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:24 pm
I wasnt posting to say I'm jumping on any bandwagons. I don't believe in god because there is no proof stating there is a god to believe in. All the evidence of god is circumstantial. While all the evidence of evolution is shown as fact.
Also I wasn't trying to relate any of this to religion, but that's just what the debate is over. Evolution or God. No matter, it's still all talking about Evolution.
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Postby lighthouse64 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:21 am
m4sterbr0s wrote:I'll just say this.
Though I believe in God, I also do believe in evolution. I don't think it's wrong to believe in both, in my opinion. That being said, there has been evidence that has justified the theory of evolution, and I doubt that the research gone behind this is flawed or incorrect.
I'll make this comment though: just because you want to say evolution is right because of science doesn't mean anything. Stating the actual reasons why evolution is truth, like in Bomber57's post, shows that you really understand evolution instead of jumping on the "science is real and god isn't" bandwagon. That's just ignorance right there.
Another note: this topic should be about evolution, not debating the existence of God or a god, or even religion. Moreover, this topic is not about trashing, mocking, or disrespecting theists, as I've seen here.
Going to lock this; no reason to have this open at this point.
I think it makes sense y u would lock this post. I regret making it now.
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Postby Danny » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:11 am
8bitmushroom wrote:Irrelevant to the topic at hand somewhat, relevant to the discussion on religion.
MY MOTHER *GASP* wrote:What most people in this argument fail to understand is that science and religion DO go hand in hand. But most are focused on the "my belief is better than yours, nyah nyah".
What most people fail to understand is that evolution has happened, IS happening, right under our nose. Religions are ancient, and they are our ancient sciences. Back, wayyyyy back, religions had many "deities". There were gods for the sun, the moon, the harvest, fertility, love, war... you name it. And these deities all had a purpose and that was to have a reason for why the sun rose in the east and set in the west. Why we had life, and death. Things that we couldn't explain like we can now, with science. Because we have evolved. And a lot of these "old" religions have phased out because they are no longer relevant. Because we have evolved. Our knowledge has evolved. This is why we live differently than humans did just 100 years ago. Medicine, technology, exploration... that's all evolving at a faster pace. But in the scope of all of history, this is just a blip on the radar. We did not evolve from amoebas to homo sapiens overnight. Not by a long shot.
Look at today's religions and what their core beliefs are. A deity that created everything. Beliefs about what happens when you don't exist, either pre-birth or in death. These beliefs are still prevalent because in science, we still don't know how these things work. And some people need that faith to believe in. And that should be respected. As should the science involved that keeps us going and alive to practice those faiths.
No one is better than anyone else. No one's beliefs are better than anyone else's. It's such a personal choice how to live life. And I wish people could just see that, respect that and live on.
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