Suggestion: Posting Rights for Project and Episode Boards

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:38 am

Exiled Bowser wrote:It doesn't matter to me even though I am technically a new user on this new version of SMBx forums, I do have seniority already. Only problem is when I have a demo ready will I have to make a whole project thread, etc.

Just edit your original project thread, adding the demo's download link.

zlaker · Postby **zlaker** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:01 pm

I'm honestly up for this idea. I can see this working out very good actually.

JupiHornet · Postby **JupiHornet** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:07 pm

This would be a good idea because of all the new users that don't read the rules (not saying ALL new users don't read the rules)

Postby **Squishy Rex** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:38 am

I think this is a great idea too, if it worked wonders for the Levels sub-forum, I can see it working for Projects/Episodes as well. How exactly would it be sorted though, since Projects are unfinished you can't really rate them like how levels are (eg. The Best, Good, Average etc.). It would be good to see some sort of filter in place in any case however which way it is sorted.

RoundPiplup · Postby **RoundPiplup** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:29 pm

RudeGuy07 wrote:They won't make so you can't post in the projects forum anymore: you have to request them to post topics.

Oh, that makes more sense. I would agree on the poll then on this rights as less projects will have to be locked.

lighthouse64 · Postby **lighthouse64** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:25 am

Yeah but there would be more people ignored. They take at least a month to even notice the post.

Postby **DarkMatt** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:18 pm

Pardon the bump.

Levels has thread creation throttled because there was a very clear distinction between a user who wanted feedback and a user who just wanted to post something. Casual Levels plays into posting rights and posting rights exists to make the Levels forum a serious place for feedback.

Now my question to you is: Does Projects/Episodes fit that distinction?

I'll admit that doing to Projects what we did to Levels does sound feasible and a step forward, but I'm hung up on the nature of Projects. The "srs/casual" line can't really be cleanly applied to Projects because, last I recall, the amount of care was wildly varying. I don't want to throttle project creation because it's already hard enough to commit to the project. I don't want to actually add to the many obstacles a project already has to go through.

Though it is enticing to cut back on garbage Projects, I want to actually tailor a fix to the Projects subforum than treat the fix to Levels as one-size-fits-all.

I might just go with an easy idea, like "threads require approval from LJs or up", but I need to assess the current nature of the Projects forum and figure out just the right touch for it.

As for Episodes, I vehemently oppose using Level's fix for it because unlike Levels, which requires feedback, and Projects, which requires cooperation, Episodes doesn't require anything beyond making the thread. There's not much meaning in adding more work to something that's already done. Just let people post their bad episodes and chastise it accordingly. We have featured episodes anyway, and you can always just judge the episode by the thread. A need to clean up Projects I can support, but Episodes? If it's finished it's finished.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:52 pm

I mean can we just have a place where we can post our Marios instead of having certain sections where we post our levels to be approved?

Feedback should came regardless of people are looking for it specifically or not, people here should just take that feedback with grains of salt should they be offended by it.

Do we really need to restrict the levels posted just because people get butthurt over feedback and constructive criticism they're given?

JupiHornet · Postby **JupiHornet** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:57 pm

8bitmushroom wrote:I mean can we just have a place where we can post our Marios instead of having certain sections where we post our levels to be approved?

Feedback should came regardless of people are looking for it specifically or not, people here should just take that feedback with grains of salt should they be offended by it.

Do we really need to restrict the levels posted just because people get butthurt over feedback and constructive criticism they're given?

I think having approval is a good idea, not because of feedback but because of people that don't read the rules and post threads without screenshots. Instead of wasting their time and locking threads the LJs can just not approve them.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:01 pm

I think the same amount of effort would be put into not approving threads without screenshots as opposed to locking them.

Postby **DarkMatt** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:24 pm

8bitmushroom wrote:I mean can we just have a place where we can post our Marios instead of having certain sections where we post our levels to be approved?

Feedback should came regardless of people are looking for it specifically or not, people here should just take that feedback with grains of salt should they be offended by it.

Do we really need to restrict the levels posted just because people get butthurt over feedback and constructive criticism they're given?

What are you even going on about? What does this have to do with posting rights for project and episode boards?

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:33 pm

DarkMatt wrote:
8bitmushroom wrote:I mean can we just have a place where we can post our Marios instead of having certain sections where we post our levels to be approved?

Feedback should came regardless of people are looking for it specifically or not, people here should just take that feedback with grains of salt should they be offended by it.

Do we really need to restrict the levels posted just because people get butthurt over feedback and constructive criticism they're given?
What are you even going on about? What does this have to do with posting rights for project and episode boards?

I had figured that the levels pertained to project and episodes as well, they're almost all the same anyway.

Do we need to have posting rights? Can we not just post our Marios.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:38 pm

Well, for the past couple of years, "posting your Marios" has resulted in everything that we're now trying to prevent (bad criticism, emotional reactions, etc.).

So, yes, we have to mitigate that somehow.

Postby **DarkMatt** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:11 am

8bitmushroom wrote:They're almost all the same anyway.

They're not.

Who would even lump a single level, a long-term group project, and a completed pack of levels under the same label? Aside from the fact that they're SMBX levels or potentially SMBX levels, they have nothing in common.

Joey wrote:Well, for the past couple of years, "posting your Marios" has resulted in everything that we're now trying to prevent (bad criticism, emotional reactions, etc.).

So, yes, we have to mitigate that somehow.

Casual Levels was made as a place for those things to not meddle with real criticism. There's no real "prevention" happening outside of setting a bar for the Levels forum. It's up to the user to learn not to do this. We can't exactly hurry that along, we can only keep it separated from the good critique. That's why I'm understanding why people think thread throttling is the answer to all the community's woes.

I absolutely do not want to curtail marios posting just to improve the average quality. I split Levels up because I saw it reasonable to have a toll booth for people who wanted to seriously persue their craft and get people who gave a damn about it. Asking that from projects isn't as reasonable, and I don't want to kill projects just because of tighter standards. Much as I never liked lazy neglected projects I'd rather find a more intuitive way to improve them that doesn't involve throttling them.

(On that note: how many reviews are Levels threads suppose to have before they're moved to a rating subforum?)

Imaynotbehere4long · Postby **Imaynotbehere4long** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:05 pm

DarkMatt wrote:(On that note: how many reviews are Levels threads suppose to have before they're moved to a rating subforum?)

Only one, but it either has to be from a Level Judge or approved by a Level Judge. Every time someone suggested that a level should have multiple reviews before being moved, it was quickly shot down and forgotten about.

Postby **Squishy Rex** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:08 am

Imaynotbehere4long wrote:
DarkMatt wrote:(On that note: how many reviews are Levels threads suppose to have before they're moved to a rating subforum?)
Only one, but it either has to be from a Level Judge or approved by a Level Judge. Every time someone suggested that a level should have multiple reviews before being moved, it was quickly shot down and forgotten about.

I can sort of see why this might be though, it can take up to two weeks for levels to be reviewed once and approved, let alone twice. (And let it be known, I'm not accusing the LJ's of not performing their jobs well) With this amount of downtime in completing reviews coupled with the usual steady influx of un-assessed levels, a backlog in the main levels sub-forum would be very possible. I would be all for multiple reviews, as naturally it would produce a better overall average score and would probably be a lot more fair, but in the current time and to be more efficient, a single review would be much more essential to keep up with demand.

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:54 pm

I think this here, is a good example: http://www.smbxgame.com/forums/v ... =34&t=8808

I mean if you don't got screens, why even post it then?

Wkay · Postby **Wkay** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:00 am

Fantastic idea, I'm just tired of going on threads and not finding a single screenshot, even if the owner of the topic sends a screenshot as a reply to the topic, just foul play.