Evolution

[Panda]

OK here you see the thing is how would something eating something get fossilized in a million years??? Have you guys thought about that yet???

You bypassed what I said. Animals have to die before they fossilise. Those fish died in that position and then fossilised.

[Emral]

Also fishes evolve in other animals.

Yup. I've once held a presentation about the Coelacanth, which was a fish who learned how to move on land. Was the first fish to do that and multiple species evolved from this.

[Bomber57]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish. If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized??? Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

Even though this is an earlier comment, I'd like to correct you on this.

Fossilization is a pretty neat process! Happening over millions of years, it preserves the remains of organisms. Fossilization requires very specific conditions, making it difficult for the process to occur. This is why there are many creatures we have never found fossils of (think of the "missing link" for humans). Fossilization generally occurs in very dry environments where the remains can be preserved easily. There are a few exceptions, such as tar pits or even in swamps and bogs! The environments also doesn't have to be warm either, just dry enough for the remains to not break down all the way. Another issue with fossilization is all remains - even in the right conditions - may not become fossils!

As for the argument of "if humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys", that one can be answered pretty easily.

The way evolution works is variation in genes. Lets use giraffes for example.

Lets say there are giraffes grazing on leaves. Their long necks help them reach the leaves in trees. Due to genetics, some giraffes may be born with slightly longer necks than others. This allows them to reach more of the leaves and survive easier, which can be helpful when food supply is scarce. Essentially, these long-necked giraffes were able to adapt to difficult conditions, which is important for survival These long-necked giraffes may, over a long period of time, become the norm as they have an advantage over the shorter-necked giraffes.

Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean the species with a disadvantage is completely wiped out. It may continue to survive and adapt and evolve in its own way. This can be compared to apes and humans, who evolved separately! I hope this little science lesson cleared some of the fog around evolution and fossilization for you!

[Danny]

Irrelevant to the topic at hand somewhat, relevant to the discussion on religion.

What most people in this argument fail to understand is that science and religion DO go hand in hand. But most are focused on the "my belief is better than yours, nyah nyah".

What most people fail to understand is that evolution has happened, IS happening, right under our nose. Religions are ancient, and they are our ancient sciences. Back, wayyyyy back, religions had many "deities". There were gods for the sun, the moon, the harvest, fertility, love, war... you name it. And these deities all had a purpose and that was to have a reason for why the sun rose in the east and set in the west. Why we had life, and death. Things that we couldn't explain like we can now, with science. Because we have evolved. And a lot of these "old" religions have phased out because they are no longer relevant. Because we have evolved. Our knowledge has evolved. This is why we live differently than humans did just 100 years ago. Medicine, technology, exploration... that's all evolving at a faster pace. But in the scope of all of history, this is just a blip on the radar. We did not evolve from amoebas to homo sapiens overnight. Not by a long shot.

Look at today's religions and what their core beliefs are. A deity that created everything. Beliefs about what happens when you don't exist, either pre-birth or in death. These beliefs are still prevalent because in science, we still don't know how these things work. And some people need that faith to believe in. And that should be respected. As should the science involved that keeps us going and alive to practice those faiths.

No one is better than anyone else. No one's beliefs are better than anyone else's. It's such a personal choice how to live life. And I wish people could just see that, respect that and live on.

[lighthouse64]

OK I'm sorry I kinda explained the fossilization problem wrong.
Ok so what I meant by the fish eating the other fish fossil is that the fossil has to be fossilized pretty fast. I mean something would just have to go BAM! Also think about petrification.
I guess you could say I totally believe in catastrophism even though I also look at the uniformiitarism.

I also forgot to say that I do believe in adaptation and natural selection which is kinda like mini evolution.


So through the posts I've figured out that you guys don't believe in the Bible. Well I guess u guys haven't found out that God is real.

[Bomber57]

OK I'm sorry I kinda explained the fossilization problem wrong.
Ok so what I meant by the fish eating the other fish fossil is that the fossil has to be fossilized pretty fast. I mean something would just have to go BAM! Also think about petrification.
I guess you could say I totally believe in catastrophism even though I also look at the uniformiitarism.

I also forgot to say that I do believe in adaptation and natural selection which is kinda like mini evolution.


So through the posts I've figured out that you guys don't believe in the Bible. Well I guess u guys haven't found out that God is real.

The problem most people have is there is no way of proving whether God is real or not.

[Panda]

So through the posts I've figured out that you guys don't believe in the Bible. Well I guess u guys haven't found out that God is real.

Do you have any evidence that thoroughly proves his existence?
"Miracles" and coincedences and pictures of Jesus' face on toast do not count.

[lighthouse64]

Also fishes evolve in other animals.

Yup. I've once held a presentation about the Coelacanth, which was a fish who learned how to move on land. Was the first fish to do that and multiple species evolved from this.

Really??? becuase when I first read about the coelacanth it said they found no evidence of it using its fins to "walk"

[Bomber57]

Also fishes evolve in other animals.

Yup. I've once held a presentation about the Coelacanth, which was a fish who learned how to move on land. Was the first fish to do that and multiple species evolved from this.

Really??? becuase when I first read about the coelacanth it said they found no evidence of it using its fins to "walk"

The Coelacanth has fins similar to that of a lungfish, which is known for its ability to walk on land for short periods of time.

[lighthouse64]

The Coelacanth has fins similar to that of a lungfish, which is known for its ability to walk on land for short periods of time.[/quote]
Do you have any evidence though???

[Marina]

The Coelacanth has fins similar to that of a lungfish, which is known for its ability to walk on land for short periods of time.

Do you have any evidence though???

Just for a change, do YOU have evidence that the Earth was created by God, other than what the bible says?

[FanofSMBX]

The Coelacanth has fins similar to that of a lungfish, which is known for its ability to walk on land for short periods of time.

Do you have any evidence though???

Just for a change, do YOU have evidence that the Earth was created by God, other than what the bible says?

The Bible IS the evidence

[Marina]

Do you have any evidence though???

Just for a change, do YOU have evidence that the Earth was created by God, other than what the bible says?

The Bible IS the evidence

Hm, but what if the bible doesn't convince me?

[Bomber57]

The Coelacanth has fins similar to that of a lungfish, which is known for its ability to walk on land for short periods of time.

Do you have any evidence though???

The coelacanth has fleshy, lobed fins that look somewhat like limbs, as does the lungfish, an air-breathing freshwater fish. This is proof enough the coelacanth can walk on land.
While the closest relative to the first tetrapods (four-limbed veterbrates) is the lungfish, we are unable to extract its DNA because it is too small. Thus the coelacanth is vital to understanding the transition of creatures from sea to land.
This should be proof enough.

[Mable]

Oh this is another religious thread?
Well here comes the burner from me




God doesn't exist and the bible is a lie sry if you feel offended but that's the truth. The bible is just a book filled with words but no one knows when it's true or not and afterall awakening from the death? Uh sure. Trust me being someone who doesn't belive into this whole that guy created the earth stuff is a lot better.

God never existed and thats it.

[Panda]

Just for a change, do YOU have evidence that the Earth was created by God, other than what the bible says?

The Bible IS the evidence

It's really not. It's about the same amount of evidence of God existing as, say, a slash fic of Goku and Vegeta is evidence that the pairing is canon.

[Bomber57]

Just for a change, do YOU have evidence that the Earth was created by God, other than what the bible says?

The Bible IS the evidence

It's really not. It's about the same amount of evidence of God existing as, say, a slash fic of Goku and Vegeta is evidence that the pairing is canon.

Virginia is the best of all the Super Sand!

[HenryRichard]

Show me how people's physical bodies have gotten better over time. Show me how any animal has gotten better over time. Evolution is very flawed. All proof can be turned over to prove creationism to be true. Sure, I can't prove that creationism is true, but no one can prove that evolution is true. It's just one of those mysteries of life that no one can know the answer to for sure.

[Bomber57]

Henry, evolution is real. Our various ancestors, starting from Australopithecus to Homo erectus ("upright man") to Homo neanderthalensis are all examples of evolution. Each of these ancestors to humanity as we know it today (Homo sapiens) share related DNA with us. This is ample proof that evolution exists, not just in humans but other animals too!

[Panda]

Show me how people's physical bodies have gotten better over time. Show me how any animal has gotten better over time. Evolution is very flawed. All proof can be turned over to prove creationism to be true. Sure, I can't prove that creationism is true, but no one can prove that evolution is true. It's just one of those mysteries of life that no one can know the answer to for sure.