Evolution

[aero]

God creating the world in seven days also is up for interpretation as well. "Seven days" very well might not've meant seven precisely-24-hour days. Maybe each day took 1 billion years!!!

's partially related, I guess.

That was just an example. It might not be a metaphor for 7 billion years, but it's definitely up for interpretation as to what "a day" actually meant.

That's been a popular interpretation for a significantly large part of Christianity's history, that they weren't 24hr days. I believe it wasn't until the 1920s when fundamentalism really took root and the idea of literal days was more widely believed.

[lighthouse64]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish. If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized??? Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

[RudeGuy]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish.

Why not?

If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized???

With a milion of years?

Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

Because not all things can evolve?

Uhm...May do you know what's evolution?

[Panda]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish. If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized??? Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

I think you're mistaken. Fossilisation takes millions of years. Animals dying in an instant takes... well, an instant.

[Marina]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish. If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized??? Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

Ok, you obviously don't know about Darwin. Basically what Darwin said was that the ones who best adapt to their environment, will survive. Now, of course some microorganisms evolved to become fish, later SOME of these fish evolved to be on land, and then you got your dinosaurs and yada-yada, eventually some mammals evolved from these dinosaurs, and eventually you got your humans alongside many other animals, who all just evolved into different directions. It's just because some animals in some areas needed other features than others in other areas. That's also why humans that live around the equator have darker skin than humans who live way up in the north. Now, evolution doesn't happen from one day to the other, it took many generations for these features to evolve. It's like with dog-breeding. If someone wants a dog with big ears, the breeder takes two dogs who both have the biggest ears of their family, let them breed, then take the dogs of the next generation with the biggest ears and so on... Now some microorganisms (and also some plants) just don't need tto evolve, because they are already suited for the area they live in. And about the fossils: What do you think happes to your body when you die? Your body begins to decay and after some years only the bones are left back. that's exactly what happened to the dinosaurs.

[Magna]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish. If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized??? Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

1. Fossilization happens over many years. It starts with at the sediments around the buried bones of the organism. They over the years start encasing the bones in rock and eventually, the bones itself becomes completely made of rock. (What I said was mostly true my sources may not be totally true but you get the idea.) This is all science, almost anything can be explained with science. Do you really think some guy up in the clouds uses his magic fingers to just conjure an animal out of thin air? (No offense, don't hurt me please, it just sounds silly.)
2. Some organisms don't need to evolve. In other words, they already adapted to their environment. If something were to happen that would change the stability of the environment they live in, then they would need to adapt to the changing environment, leave to go live somewhere else, or become extinct.

[Marina]

Do you really think some guy up in the clouds uses his magic fingers to just conjure an animal out of thin air? (No offense, don't hurt me please, it just sounds silly.)

*sighs* the "No Offense" part alone. I know science has proven us that God most likely doesn't exist, but that's no reason to bash someone's religion. And for all we know, God could've created the universe. I mean, we still don't know what was before the Big Bang, do we?

And for lighthouse64: I know many Christians who don't believe in Creationism either. Science is just too solid prove. Even they got to adit that the bible has some flaws, because the bible is a book written by man and not by God, and mankind unfortunately has flaws. Also it's over 3000 years old and in my opinion needs some heavy improvement. But they still continue to be Christians. Why? Not because being Christian is about telling people that they are wrong because they don't believe in God, it's because being Christian is about charity and helping the people around you. Don't feel bad because not everything is like it's said in the bible. Focus on the important parts of the bible, like for example the ten commandmends or all the things Jesus' sermon on the mount. These are the parts of the bible, where it tells you that you should love and care about everyone around you, and even Jesus said that he doesn't want people to go around and telling other people what they are supposed to believe and what not. You can still believe in science (and honestly, you should, because there is literally nothing you can do against science.) and believe in God.

[BTB]

blessed are you o lord, teach me your statutes

[Julia Pseudo]

GLuigiX is basically replying how I would reply, lighthouse64, except in a more eloquent and informed manner. The old species do not disappear during evolution, instead a branch is created, in this case "fish" (or rather fish like organisms that would later give way to reptiles, birds, and eventually mammals, taxonomies like that are more like a continuum in reality) with legs alongside the fish that existed before.

One thing that is EXTREMELY important to note about evolution is that it is change, not progression. Random mutations and the like can lead to loss of positive traits, or gain of negative traits, since it's a random and naturalistic process. However, the reason that this happens less often is because organisms with a larger number of positive traits are more likely to survive long enough to reproduce, continuing the cycle.

[sleepy]

Also sleepy as I mentioned earlier in the topic Pokémon evolution isn't really based on real evolution. It's much more similar to metamorphosis or an animal's general life cycle than actual evolution.

ow, sorry didn't read your post

didn't know that : D

[Hawkeyeone]

But they still continue to be Christians. Why? Not because being Christian is about telling people that they are wrong because they don't believe in God, it's because being Christian is about charity and helping the people around you. Don't feel bad because not everything is like it's said in the bible. Focus on the important parts of the bible, like for example the ten commandmends or all the things Jesus' sermon on the mount. These are the parts of the bible, where it tells you that you should love and care about everyone around you, and even Jesus said that he doesn't want people to go around and telling other people what they are supposed to believe and what not.

This.

This is the best post I have ever seen in this entire forum. Rather than combating two beliefs it tells us to appreciate them and you shouldn't brutally force your beliefs on to others in a sincere and well thought-out way.

Well done, GLuigiX. Give this guy a medal- er, positive reputation point. I would if I could.

[michel]

I hope it doesn't turn into a real discussion because it's one not worth having. The evidence for evolution is immense and has been since the theory was first proposed by Darwin…

This Wikipedia article summarizes the evidence pretty well. Overall, when a theory is accepted by virtually everyone in the scientific community, it's pretty safe to say that it's true.

Everyone in the world believed that the world was flat
Was it true?

[aero]

This Wikipedia article summarizes the evidence pretty well. Overall, when a theory is accepted by virtually everyone in the scientific community, it's pretty safe to say that it's true.

This Wikipedia article summarizes why saying that "when a theory is accepted by virtually everyone in the scientific community, it's pretty safe to say that it's true," is fallacious and doesn't support the case for evolution.

[Julia Pseudo]

^
Yeah it actually is pretty fallacious and I probably shouldn't have tried to made an argument like that. I'm sorry about that. Still, the Wikipedia article I linked to has a lot of real evidence of evolution/common descent, among other the stuff that many other members have mentioned in this thread.

[aero]

^
Yeah it actually is pretty fallacious and I probably shouldn't have tried to made an argument like that. I'm sorry about that. Still, the Wikipedia article I linked to has a lot of real evidence of evolution/common descent, among other the stuff that many other members have mentioned in this thread.

It's cool, I just figured I'd point it out since I see that particular argument made all the time in climate change debates (i.e 98% of climate scientists say humans are causing climate change) and it gets annoying. But yes the evidence is truly overwhelming for those willing to listen. In fact some amazing developments have just recently been made in science under the evolutionary model of life for antibiotics: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-me ... t-bacteria

[MistakesWereMade]

Call me atheist or whatever, but people who don't believe in evolution have no evidence to support them. I'm sorry if I sound rude to people who believe in Creationism, but they don't have evidence to support their claims (and no. Saying "Because God told whoever" is not evidence). Darwin's theory of evolution, however, has a good deal of evidence to support his claims: logic (he said that if a giraffe had a short neck and the food is up high, its neck would have to grow over time for ease of eating), something Creationists don't have much of when it comes to this matter.

What kind of ass did you pull the "if you believe in creationism you automathically don't believe in evolution" out off?

You don't have to believe in god to not believe in evolution, most christians already accepted the theory of evolution anyway, anyone who thinks otherwise is creating highly stereotypical conjecture, because it's not the fucking 16th century anymore.

For example, i believe in creationism and i'm christian, but that doesn't mean i'm physically incapable of accepting science and scientific theories.

[BTB]

support god

[lighthouse64]

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish.

Why not?

If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized???

With a milion of years?

Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

Because not all things can evolve?

Uhm...May do you know what's evolution?

OK here you see the thing is how would something eating something get fossilized in a million years??? Have you guys thought about that yet???

Also After I've read all of the other posts too if you read the beginning of the bible it says that birds were made before lizards.

Spoiler: show

I think I can tell what one of you guys would say.

OMG you people... If you think about how fossils are created you'll probably find a picture of a fish eating another fish. If things were fossilized so slowly how would that get fossilized??? Also if we came from micro organisms why are there still many left when all of the things would evolve.

Ok, you obviously don't know about Darwin. Basically what Darwin said was that the ones who best adapt to their environment, will survive. Now, of course some microorganisms evolved to become fish, later SOME of these fish evolved to be on land, and then you got your dinosaurs and yada-yada, eventually some mammals evolved from these dinosaurs, and eventually you got your humans alongside many other animals, who all just evolved into different directions. It's just because some animals in some areas needed other features than others in other areas. That's also why humans that live around the equator have darker skin than humans who live way up in the north. Now, evolution doesn't happen from one day to the other, it took many generations for these features to evolve. It's like with dog-breeding. If someone wants a dog with big ears, the breeder takes two dogs who both have the biggest ears of their family, let them breed, then take the dogs of the next generation with the biggest ears and so on... Now some microorganisms (and also some plants) just don't need tto evolve, because they are already suited for the area they live in. And about the fossils: What do you think happes to your body when you die? Your body begins to decay and after some years only the bones are left back. that's exactly what happened to the dinosaurs.

If you read somewhere Darwin actually started thinking evolution was wrong when he was dying. Also evolution is impossible if you find out in biology.
Also in all the books of evolution I read I can't find any place where invertibrates evolve into fish.

[RudeGuy]

OK here you see the thing is how would something eating something get fossilized in a million years??? Have you guys thought about that yet???

Also After I've read all of the other posts too if you read the beginning of the bible it says that birds were made before lizards.

These things are impossible. A fossil is an animal or plant which died a milion of years ago and now it's like a rock. What thing would eat it?
Also, the theory of evolution says that all born from the water. Birds went after the lizards because lizard could stay on the ground.

If you read somewhere Darwin actually started thinking evolution was wrong when he was dying. Also evolution is impossible if you find out in
biology. Also in all the books of evolution I read I can't find any place where invertibrates evolve into fish.

First, I haven't read in any books that Darwin started thinking evolution was wrong when he was dying. Biology have nothing to do with evolution, if you know the correct formula. Also fishes evolve in other animals.

[Julia Pseudo]

^
Yeah it actually is pretty fallacious and I probably shouldn't have tried to made an argument like that. I'm sorry about that. Still, the Wikipedia article I linked to has a lot of real evidence of evolution/common descent, among other the stuff that many other members have mentioned in this thread.

It's cool, I just figured I'd point it out since I see that particular argument made all the time in climate change debates (i.e 98% of climate scientists say humans are causing climate change) and it gets annoying. But yes the evidence is truly overwhelming for those willing to listen. In fact some amazing developments have just recently been made in science under the evolutionary model of life for antibiotics: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-me ... t-bacteria

Yeah actually thanks for calling me out. I really shouldn't be trying to make arguments like that.