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Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:28 pm
by ElectriKong
And Climate Change is not belief or opinion, it is a proven fact. It being a human cause is sort of debatable but then stats show that is likely also. Like I say, numbers pretty much prove it.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:30 pm
by Artemis008
Sorel wrote:Well, too bad that adapting to higher and higher temparatures just doesn't go that well once they reach critical levels.
Except it does, we survived the ice age and those were beyond critical.
Aero wrote:
Artemis008 wrote:The real issues we are facing right now is the fact that there are too many humans living on the planet. We can't just kill half of them off, that would be genocide. So instead we find ways to increase production which does have an effect. There isn't a way around it.
You don't need to kill anyone. What has to be done is to keep population growth as close to replacement level as possible. To do that you have to ensure child mortality for children 5 and under is as low as possible, and women and girls have an education. Instead of killing people - which is counterproductive to say the least - you would want universal healthcare, public water, and all kinds of education opportunities for a population.
Artemis008 wrote: As humans, we naturally adapt to our surroundings and rest assured we will continue to adapt for many years to come.
We may be able to adapt for a little bit but the rate climate is changing is new. Other species that we depend on would not make it. Also by "adapting" this would entail unprecedented migrant crises, international conflict, and extremely expensive infrastructure spending. "Adapting" is nothing to fall back on.
I said we don't need to kill everyone off and agree with your idea of a stable populous. That being said, adaptation has always been a part of nature. Rather your species changes and becomes suited to the environment or your species goes extinct.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:38 pm
by ElectriKong
Artemis008 wrote:Sorel wrote:Well, too bad that adapting to higher and higher temparatures just doesn't go that well once they reach critical levels.
Except it does, we survived the ice age and those were beyond critical.
Except this is happening at rates we have not seen in human history. The changes the ice age came with occured slowly, over time and adapting to it was possible because there was time to do so. When we hit a 'critical' point then there will be huge problems like wars and a huge migrant crisis that we have not seen, as well as a mass extinction event (which we are already kind of starting to witness).
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:46 pm
by aero
Artemis008 wrote:Sorel wrote:Well, too bad that adapting to higher and higher temparatures just doesn't go that well once they reach critical levels.
Except it does, we survived the ice age and those were beyond critical.
If anything equivalent to the ice age were to happen again, standards of living would plummet pretty close to the standards during the actual ice age. Not a plan.
Artemis008 wrote:
I said we don't need to kill everyone off and agree with your idea of a stable populous. That being said, adaptation has always been a part of nature. Rather your species changes and becomes suited to the environment or your species goes extinct.
Threatening ecosystems humans depend on to survive, global conflicts over resources, and creating refugees are all adaptations that need to be made to survive the climate disruptions. Why is this some backup plan when the only thing that needs to be done is invest in green and efficient technology, scale back agriculture a bit, build schools, and give people healthcare? It's absolutely affordable and manageable and a far more reasonable "adaptation" to make.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:49 pm
by kr4k1n
Artemis008 wrote:
I said we don't need to kill everyone off and agree with your idea of a stable populous. That being said, adaptation has always been a part of nature. Rather your species changes and becomes suited to the environment or your species goes extinct.
It seems like you just ignored everything in these last couple posts. We won't be able to adapt fast enough to the rapidly changing environment, and even if we can, other animals can't, and the ecosystem needs these animals to keep it balanced, which means we'll eventually die because we won't have anything to eat.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:55 pm
by ElectriKong
Yeah I think Artemis008 is just ignorant of the world she lives in. Let's say there was a Martian Invasion, would she be prepared for that? Climate Change is the same sort of thing. When it is really a problem, then the non-believers will more likely be among those to go than those worried about it.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:06 pm
by underFlo
Adaptation to the environment happens over multiple centuries. The rate at which the planet is warming is far greater than anything before it, and if you think we'll be able to adapt to that I don't know what to tell you. Even if some humans would survive, it'd have some huge setbacks for humanity as a race and frankly I'm not willing to risk that.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:25 pm
by Artemis008
Electriking wrote:Yeah I think Artemis008 is just ignorant of the world she lives in. Let's say there was a Martian Invasion, would she be prepared for that? Climate Change is the same sort of thing. When it is really a problem, then the non-believers will more likely be among those to go than those worried about it.
Umm "non-believers" isn't a good choice of words Imo. It makes this sound like a cult rather than an organization. And when it really is a problem, rather I'll be dead before then or I will be ready to adapt.
practicalshorty014 wrote:Artemis008 wrote:
I said we don't need to kill everyone off and agree with your idea of a stable populous. That being said, adaptation has always been a part of nature. Rather your species changes and becomes suited to the environment or your species goes extinct.
It seems like you just ignored everything in these last couple posts. We won't be able to adapt fast enough to the rapidly changing environment, and even if we can, other animals can't, and the ecosystem needs these animals to keep it balanced, which means we'll eventually die because we won't have anything to eat.
It's extremely difficult to respond to everyone when you have this many different people debating you at the same time, sorry. Literally every time I preview the post more people are adding there own two sense into the debate. That's not a bad thing, but don't get upset if I miss something because of it.
Electriking wrote:Artemis008 wrote:Sorel wrote:Well, too bad that adapting to higher and higher temparatures just doesn't go that well once they reach critical levels.
Except it does, we survived the ice age and those were beyond critical.
Except this is happening at rates we have not seen in human history. The changes the ice age came with occured slowly, over time and adapting to it was possible because there was time to do so. When we hit a 'critical' point then there will be huge problems like wars and a huge migrant crisis that we have not seen, as well as a mass extinction event (which we are already kind of starting to witness).
How will climate change start a war? We already have a migrant crisis, so climate change won't change that. And mass extinction... hmmmm..... have I seen that before?
oh yeah, dinosaurs. The human race has to end eventually, if now is the time then bring it on.
Spinda wrote:Adaptation to the environment happens over multiple centuries. The rate at which the planet is warming is far greater than anything before it, and if you think we'll be able to adapt to that I don't know what to tell you. Even if some humans would survive, it'd have some huge setbacks for humanity as a race and frankly I'm not willing to risk that.
It'll still be quicker then trying to get the entire human race to accept one plan, our inability to accept each other will be the death of us, myself included. As long as we can debate in a semi dignified manner I'll count my loses.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:54 pm
by Black Mamba
is china still pumping out smoke on a daily basis again? I forgot if they're still doing that.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:03 pm
by Marina
Artemis008 wrote:Everything we've done up until this point has been for a reason.
There is
an entire Facebook page dedicated to hot dogs in unusual places, so think again.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:48 pm
by Artemis008
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:37 am
by erkyp3rky
Summary of climate change:
Donald Trump is running this show, and we are all fucked.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:05 pm
by ElectriKong
Loafy-Shrooms wrote:Summary of climate change:
Donald Trump is running this show, and we are all fucked.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:12 pm
by Mable
And because of that there is nothing "we" can do or what?
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:13 pm
by ElectriKong
Mable wrote:And because of that there is nothing "we" can do or what?
What if we already gone over the tipping point?
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:30 pm
by kr4k1n
Electriking wrote:Mable wrote:And because of that there is nothing "we" can do or what?
What if we already gone over the tipping point?
Then we can still try as much as we can
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:33 pm
by timocomsmbx2345
well, at least the average earth temperature didn't increase again.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:46 pm
by Mable
Doesn't mean it can't increase anytime.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:55 pm
by Artemis008
I just saw this in my notification bar, thought it was relevant.
https://youtu.be/0CLK2_UaTKA
There's a lot to learn from it, so give it a watch and tell me what you think.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:45 pm
by Quantumenace
You're probably wasting your time. The media and government have moralized this issue so much that any dissent from the official "we're doomed" dogma is automatically labeled "evil propaganda from evil oil companies that want to sell evil affordable energy". Why do you think there's a constant attempt to conflate anyone who disagrees with Al Gore with holocaust deniers?
Any attempt to force the entire world to use cost-ineffective energy in perpetuity is completely futile. It's disturbing how the media has spun Paris as something that would actually make any difference anyway. Even by their own projections it means very little.
Why are we expected to give billions to politicians to blather, morally grandstand, and find random occurences to blame on "climate change"? Wouldn't the money we're supposed to spend on this be better spent on research to make other energy sources economical without government fiat? Maybe we'd have fusion by now if all the money given to media and politicians to make a whole generation fear for their lives was instead put into energy research.