L.A. Riots 2 - Ferguson Edition

[aero]

You know I'm "profoundly disappointed" in practically everything last night except for the verdict.

Would that include everybody's handling of this very, very sensitive matter? Because shit he could've been innocent and we could've had plenty of people who were sorry, understood what happened, knew what they were doing, would connect to the people, etcetera.

None of that is happening. We're as stupid as we were August 1992 1860 August. Thanks American pride. Thanks.

Absolutely. But sitting around and blaming ourselves accomplishes as much as the looting. I mean last night was crazy for so many reasons, that it was at a point where rival gangs were working together to stop looting while the media hype machine was showing the anarchy. I don't blame anyone, except the looters, because they were all doing their jobs. Look at the title of this thread, as it was named in August. When you look at the L.A. riots the similarity to the live streams is major. Since nobody - especially not the ones at fault- are taking responsibility, this will happen again.

[Marina]

So uhm.





Sources:

https://twitter.com/XAVIERLEEDS/status/ ... 97/photo/1

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michae ... on-n255961

[Panda]

Darren Wilson said in a report that there was no other possible way of handling the situation except to shoot him.
Compared to James Holmes, who literally shot dead 12 people in a cinema and was apprehended by the police while not resisting, why did Brown get shot? 7 shots is way more than enough to disarm someone.
I've heard there's dispute over whether Brown had his hands in the air or not but surely the police are trained to deal with people attacking them without a weapon.
You know, like with a god damn taser.

Darren Wilson linked to KKK http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-ferg ... ad-1475953

“Given Mr. Brown’s height, his head had to be bent downward with his face near parallel to the ground and the top of his head facing the shooter when the gun was discharged to to produce the head and face tracks.”
— Michael Brown’s Private Autopsy

[aero]

So uhm.

Looks like Ferguson didn't need their help with destruction lol. IIRC "black male" was the term blowing up on police scanners, so the KKK had largely nothing to do with any of the destruction on Monday night.

Darren Wilson said in a report that there was no other possible way of handling the situation except to shoot him.
Compared to James Holmes, who literally shot dead 12 people in a cinema and was apprehended by the police while not resisting, why did Brown get shot? 7 shots is way more than enough to disarm someone.
I've heard there's dispute over whether Brown had his hands in the air or not but surely the police are trained to deal with people attacking them without a weapon.
You know, like with a god damn taser.

Darren Wilson linked to KKK http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-ferg ... ad-1475953

“Given Mr. Brown’s height, his head had to be bent downward with his face near parallel to the ground and the top of his head facing the shooter when the gun was discharged to to produce the head and face tracks.”
— Michael Brown’s Private Autopsy

"Compared to James Holmes, who literally shot dead 12 people in a cinema and was apprehended by the police while not resisting, why did Brown get shot?"

Your question already implies the answer. Brown WAS resisting, it's not like Wilson just let him grab his gun without ordering him to stop or fighting back.

"I've heard there's dispute over whether Brown had his hands in the air or not but surely the police are trained to deal with people attacking them without a weapon.
You know, like with a god damn taser."

He didn't have a taser at the time. Even if he did, I'll say it again, he's under no obligation to risk his life during an imminent threat and police are trained to shoot-to-kill in response to a situation like Wilson was in.

[Marina]

I don't really know if an unarmed teen can be considered an imminent threat but ok. I mean shouldn't police officers be trained to deal with a situation like this, if possible without using their gun?

Oh btw this is from the autopsy report



The whole thing can be found here

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson ... dence.html

[aero]

I don't really know if an unarmed teen can be considered an imminent threat but ok. I mean shouldn't police officers be trained to deal with a situation like this, if possible without using their gun?

Everyone keeps saying "unarmed teen" as if that absolves him from being any kind of threat. Again, he assaulted officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. To your second point, what's the alternative that wouldn't put anyone else's lives in danger?

[Danny]

If the officer was truly being threatened, I'm fairly certain the police code, at least that's what it is around my place, is that if you are in immediate danger you would shoot-to-debilitate, such as a shot to the leg or foot to stop a melee attacker.

If you are in the threat range of a firearm, you are allowed to shoot-to-wound, or shoot-to-kill, depending on the situation. If you are being charged from a long distance by an armed melee attacker you would shoot them in the leg to debilitate them and give you time to get a distance and call in for back-up, not shoot them 12 times and call it a day.

I don't really know if an unarmed teen can be considered an imminent threat but ok. I mean shouldn't police officers be trained to deal with a situation like this, if possible without using their gun?

Everyone keeps saying "unarmed teen" as if that absolves him from being any kind of threat. Again, he assaulted officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. To your second point, what's the alternative that wouldn't put anyone else's lives in danger?

He was unarmed and attempting to take the officer's gun, but the officer still managed to get away, he can easily shoot and debilitate Brown instead of killing him. The extra 11 shots were uncalled for, I can see if a second shot had to be used to debilitate Brown, but anymore than that is really unnecessary.

[Marina]

Relevant..

[aero]

If the officer was truly being threatened, I'm fairly certain the police code, at least that's what it is around my place, is that if you are in immediate danger you would shoot-to-debilitate, such as a shot to the leg or foot to stop a melee attacker.

If you are in the threat range of a firearm, you are allowed to shoot-to-wound, or shoot-to-kill, depending on the situation. If you are being charged from a long distance by an armed melee attacker you would shoot them in the leg to debilitate them and give you time to get a distance and call in for back-up, not shoot them 12 times and call it a day.

I don't really know if an unarmed teen can be considered an imminent threat but ok. I mean shouldn't police officers be trained to deal with a situation like this, if possible without using their gun?

Everyone keeps saying "unarmed teen" as if that absolves him from being any kind of threat. Again, he assaulted officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. To your second point, what's the alternative that wouldn't put anyone else's lives in danger?

He was unarmed and attempting to take the officer's gun, but the officer still managed to get away, he can easily shoot and debilitate Brown instead of killing him. The extra 11 shots were uncalled for, I can see if a second shot had to be used to debilitate Brown, but anymore than that is really unnecessary.

I don't know where you live, but officers are trained to shoot at center of mass in order to kill. The first shots only hit his arm from the front, meaning that Mike was heading toward Wilson which would cause anyone to miss because you need to fire quickly to prevent someone from attacking you when they come at you. Also, one bullet doesn't automatically kill people even if it's a perfect shot. This is why "extra" shots were fired because Mike wasn't down and Wilson fired until he was (this is shown in the autopsy from a bullet entering, exiting, and re-entering when Mike began to fall), this is also why dead suspects are handcuffed because sometimes they're not actually dead because the shot didn't kill.

Relevant..

Long story short, when you assault an officer you will die if you don't get away with it. The fleeing felon rule applies most to the doctor's last statements about the 35 foot distance, as U.S. law dictates deadly force can be used in prevention of escape. The rest, like the suggestion of Wilson being teed off, isn't really relevant to the autopsy in the first place and seems like CNN banter to me.

[Marina]

Uh... Weren't it like... more than over 100 ft though?

https://storify.com/VeryWhiteGuy/shaunk ... distance-f

[JupiHornet]

About the riots;
when the Michael Brown thing happened I remember seeing his father send out a message to the rioters; telling them to stop it, that this isn't the way to handle it, that this will only make things worse. It seems like the riots are worse now.

Now that the police officer has been found not guilty (I think) the riots have spread across the country. I live in New York and I saw on the news that Times Square was shut down by rioters, as well as some major tunnels and bridges.

Also I believe rioter in Ferguson was mowed down by a car. It's getting pretty bad.

[Knux]

Darren Wilson has resigned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30266172

It really annoys me how hypocritical we, America in general, are when we all claim we're not racist, because it's clear we all secretly are in some way.

Aren't you from the UK though?

[Sevennights]

This is a very racist crime, even against me, i am black.
Anyways to the point, this racial crime is going to spark the apocalypse of America. I want the police officer who killed Michael Brown, dead, i want the riots to stop, it is Los Angels all over again in a way.
If the.riots continue and white police officers still kill black people then it will start the next civil war.

[aero]

This is a very racist crime, even against me, i am black.
Anyways to the point, this racial crime is going to spark the apocalypse of America. I want the police officer who killed Michael Brown, dead, i want the riots to stop, it is Los Angels all over again in a way.
If the.riots continue and white police officers still kill black people then it will start the next civil war.

You're part of the problem.

[zioy]

Its not ultimately a race-related situation from my perspective. Its just another police-officer-overreacting case or maybe not even that. I'm sure small internal biases and stereotypes had to do with it, but that's not what the whole case should be about.

[JupiHornet]

This is a very racist crime, even against me, i am black.

I believe this was in self-defense, because Michael Brown tried to take the officer's gun.

Anyways to the point, this racial crime is going to spark the apocalypse of America.

wat

I want the police officer who killed Michael Brown, dead

I don't think the officer should die, because even though he was wrong to shoot Michael so many times, it was in SELF DEFENSE.

i want the riots to stop, it is Los Angels all over again in a way.

The riots should stop, they aren't solving anything and just making everything worse.

If the.riots continue and white police officers still kill black people then it will start the next civil war.

white police officers still kill black people then it will start the next civil war

white police officers still kill black people

This. This is what annoys me. What if black officers kill white people? It is not any different.
People need to stop acting like white on black crime is the ONLY crime, because it isn't. There are many other types of crime that need to be stopped, not just this kind. We should stop ALL crime.

[MistakesWereMade]

This is a very racist crime, even against me, i am black.

ur logic is that just because the attacker was black the cop was just being racist.

people need to stop thinking that just because there's a black person (or something) involved in an issue, there had to be some sort of racism involved.

[Knux]

This is a very racist crime, even against me, i am black.

ur logic is that just because the attacker was black the cop was just being racist.

people need to stop thinking that just because there's a black person (or something) involved in an issue, there had to be some sort of racism involved.

But racism is one of the main concerns here? As well as the abuse of power.

[MistakesWereMade]

This is a very racist crime, even against me, i am black.

ur logic is that just because the attacker was black the cop was just being racist.

people need to stop thinking that just because there's a black person (or something) involved in an issue, there had to be some sort of racism involved.

But racism is one of the main concerns here? As well as the abuse of power.

how the fuck is shooting someone who attacked you (which gave the cop the legal right to shoot him btw) abuse of power?

not to mention the guy isn't the pure soul people make him out to be

[Knux]

Please read into this a little more, Nien.