Climate Change

[underFlo]

During those 2000 years when we didn't care, we didn't leave a big mark on the world because none of what we did could've possibly affected the earth in a big way. For most of that time, the human race was rather powerless in the big scheme of things, so even though nobody cared about climate change back then, bear in mind that the people couldn't possibly do anything for or against climate change.
Now on the other hand, even a single household can have a comperatively huge impact on the climate, precisely because we as humans have become so powerful. This is the first time we have had such a big responsibility, so we have to be the first ones to take this step.

Nobody's expecting anyone to shut down all factories right now. You act like nobody's ever thought of alternatives or how to transition towards replenishable energy sources, when that's really just a strawman.
Of course this wouldn't be an extreme change, it would be done gradually by first building ways to harness natural energy and then, once replacements are there, turning off the old factories.

[[Egg]Egg]

Global Warming is bullshit - Donald Trump
It's probably too late

[aero]

Nobody's expecting anyone to shut down all factories right now. You act like nobody's ever thought of alternatives or how to transition towards replenishable energy sources, when that's really just a strawman.
Of course this wouldn't be an extreme change, it would be done gradually by first building ways to harness natural energy and then, once replacements are there, turning off the old factories.

A transition phase is hardly necessary. Solar is cheaper than coal and can be adopted by countries that have not industrialized or are still developing. As for developed countries, a serious effort in nuclear funding would replace coal plants in a matter of years. Also that's just energy, and the other half emissions is often ignored: agriculture. Putting an end to factory farming is a necessary first step, and helps prevent the superbug problem at that. This is all just a decision that has to be made, and everyone would be better off the sooner it's made.

[Mable]

Clinate Changes is actually a more serious issue and it would be better to use that brain you have instead of acting like "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT IT"

If all you wanna do is act like a badass and not even care about it, just don't even post here at all imo.
The future gen will blame people like you then, bc you didn't even try to use ur brain and think about the stuff that happens bc of it.

Why do you think people try to save the poles? The ice is melting faster than usual which dangers the inhabits also.
Also since the change it does get really hot around the world which isn't good for streets and specially farmers.

But then again you probably only care for yourself judgng by the post you made.

[Knux]

I trust trump and his reasoning. all this cl
imate change nonsense is just fear mongering, thank you left

I guess this is a joke. Also, what is going on with your signature?

no friend, you see i do not believe that global warming is a thing. it's always snowing! explain that

[Emral]

I don't give a rats ass about climate change.

It's people that act like this who will ultimately end up screwing the world over in some way

For 2000 years no body cared about climate change, the world didn't explode. Why is it suddenly so important? Climate change happens, but it's supposed to happen. The world is constantly changing, you can not stop it.
Everything we've done has been to further sustain the human race, go ahead and remove those factory's, only a few million people will starve to death.

You've gotta enjoy your life, if you constantly worry about things like this you'll die unhappy. You've gotta live your life to the fullest, because you don't know how much time you've got till its gone.

1) Factories that spew chemicals into the air have not existed for 2000 years, only for 200.
2) Climate change is inherently unnatural. It's caused by humans putting more chemicals in the air. There's nothing deterministic about it.
3) It's not about "removing the factories" and leaving nothing in its place, it's about replacing them with plants for clean, renewable energy, which doesn't contribute to the carbon footprint while creating thousands of jobs in the process, boosing the economy.
4) With the attitude you're portraying I would be more worried of dying unhappy cause a deterministic stance is a one-way ticket to depression. This selfish "eh let the next generation deal with it" stance is exactly what caused the problem to be this critical in the first place.

no friend, you see i do not believe that global warming is a thing. it's always snowing! explain that

I know you're trolling cause this is the weakest argument in the book. Climate change measures average growth of temperature per year. Weather and temperature per day will still change depending on where you live and what season it is, but statistics will show you that average temperatures have been rising and we've seen seven "hottest years in recorded history" in the past 15 years alone:
[rimg]http://i.imgur.com/4lxNC1i.png[/rimg]

[Artemis008]

Clinate Changes is actually a more serious issue and it would be better to use that brain you have instead of acting like "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT IT"

If all you wanna do is act like a badass and not even care about it, just don't even post here at all imo.
The future gen will blame people like you then, bc you didn't even try to use ur brain and think about the stuff that happens bc of it.

Why do you think people try to save the poles? The ice is melting faster than usual which dangers the inhabits also.
Also since the change it does get really hot around the world which isn't good for streets and specially farmers.

But then again you probably only care for yourself judgng by the post you made.

That's assuming quite a lot, I have a family I deeply care for. They mean the world to me, and I would do anything for them. I am not acting like a bad ass, but I do not trust the man in charge of the Paris accord. He doesn't care about something as small as his country, so why should he care about something as large as the planet?

These alternative power sources are as also very expensive. My family doesn't have the money to spend 25 grand on solar panels.

There are also a lot of things these activists don't tell you. Did you know, there are actually more trees in America today then there were 100 years ago? There is a reason we have what we have and I think we fail to appreciate it. 200 years ago we didn't have hospitals like the ones we have today, not did we have factory's to mass produce things, and a whole lot more.

Everything we've done up until this point has been for a reason. As the human population grows we need ways to sustain them.

[aero]

These alternative power sources are as also very expensive. My family doesn't have the money to spend 25 grand on solar panels.

https://qz.com/871907/2016-was-the-year ... -for-2017/

Get panels and a home battery and your energy bill can be better than free. Coal and oil subsidies should just move to battery tech at this point now since fossil fuels are becoming obsolete.

[Mable]

"Everything we've done is for a reason"

So destroying our earth and getting this change happened for a reason heh? Alright then.

[Artemis008]

"Everything we've done is for a reason"

So destroying our earth and getting this change happened for a reason heh? Alright then.

We destroyed the earth? When did that happen?

And did you completely ignore the rest of my post? Where I provided facts to further the discussion. I want to debate, I don't want a flame war.

[Mable]

No i didn't?
I just wanted to know some of these reasons when you said "Everything we've done up until this point has been for a reason."
Humanity grows of course.. but is this a reason to do what we do now?

[kr4k1n]

We destroyed the earth? When did that happen?

And did you completely ignore the rest of my post? Where I provided facts to further the discussion. I want to debate, I don't want a flame war.

Over hundreds of years, are you fully awake?
Mable probably ignored it because of all the bullcrap in it about you complaining about your own problems.

[ElectriKong]

IMO, if you don't believe in Climate Change then you are stupid. The numbers speak for themselves.

[Sorel]

Where I provided facts to further the discussion.

The only fact you have provided is that solar panels are somewhat expensive.

[Artemis008]

We destroyed the earth? When did that happen?

And did you completely ignore the rest of my post? Where I provided facts to further the discussion. I want to debate, I don't want a flame war.

Over hundreds of years, are you fully awake?
Mable probably ignored it because of all the bullcrap in it about you complaining about your own problems.

My own problems? I said
-I care for my family
-Alternate power sources are too expensive for a middle class family
-There are more trees in America today then a hundred years ago
-Everything we've done has been for a reason

None of it was me complaining about my problems.
I'm quite happy with my life, actually.

No i didn't?
I just wanted to know some of these reasons when you said "Everything we've done up until this point has been for a reason."
Humanity grows of course.. but is this a reason to do what we do now?

The reason we did these things was, as I said before to suite a growing population. It is a good reason to do what we do today, because it clearly kept the population growing for 200 years.

The real issues we are facing right now is the fact that there are too many humans living on the planet. We can't just kill half of them off, that would be genocide. So instead we find ways to increase production which does have an effect. There isn't a way around it.

Where I provided facts to further the discussion.

The only fact you have provided is that solar panels are somewhat expensive.

And that there are more trees now then a hundred years ago, and that there are reasons we've done the things we've done.

IMO, if you don't believe in Climate Change then you are stupid. The numbers speak for themselves.

Not agreeing with popular belief does not make you stupid. Science is not a consensus.

[Mable]

There probably is a way around it. Cause the current one imo isn't really the right one to do. Sure we can't kill off people, hell wouldn't even suggest that.. but if we end up killing the planet for more years until we killed the entirety of it we need to live.. we die as well.

[Artemis008]

There probably is a way around it. Cause the current one imo isn't really the right one to do. Sure we can't kill off people, hell wouldn't even suggest that.. but if we end up killing the planet for more years until we killed the entirety of it we need to live.. we die as well.

The current solution is not the right solution, as you said. If there is a way around it then we will find it, no need to worry about that. As humans, we naturally adapt to our surroundings and rest assured we will continue to adapt for many years to come.

[Sorel]

Well, too bad that adapting to higher and higher temparatures just doesn't go that well once they reach critical levels.

[aero]

The real issues we are facing right now is the fact that there are too many humans living on the planet. We can't just kill half of them off, that would be genocide. So instead we find ways to increase production which does have an effect. There isn't a way around it.

You don't need to kill anyone. What has to be done is to keep population growth as close to replacement level as possible. To do that you have to ensure child mortality for children 5 and under is as low as possible, and women and girls have an education. Instead of killing people - which is counterproductive to say the least - you would want universal healthcare, public water, and all kinds of education opportunities for a population.

As humans, we naturally adapt to our surroundings and rest assured we will continue to adapt for many years to come.

We may be able to adapt for a little bit but the rate climate is changing is new. Other species that we depend on would not make it. Also by "adapting" this would entail unprecedented migrant crises, international conflict, and extremely expensive infrastructure spending. "Adapting" is nothing to fall back on.

[kr4k1n]

As humans, we naturally adapt to our surroundings and rest assured we will continue to adapt for many years to come.

I think the climate is changing too fast for that to happen.