M9: Shadowrun - NIGHT 6

[Zeldamaster12]

Zeldamaster12, your refusal to see my evidence of GLD4 and your constant defending of GLD4 without a reason is making me think that you are Mafia as well.

1. I never refused to see your evidence, you've never even offered to show it to me.
2. I am defending GLD4 because I don't see him as Mafia material. He doesn't act like it at all. And way to ignore my last post. NOBODY but me defended him. If he was a Mafia member with three other Mafia left, more than one person would be defending him, trying to keep him alive, but it seems like the majority wants him dead.

[Danny]

you can't use edit in mafia

I'd imagine you can't use edit if it's to completely rewrite an entire post, but if it's to fix a single-word mistake, I guess that's fine. In this case, since the VL is presumed dead, I don't think it matters if you make word edits, because I don't think the Grammar Nazi counts spelling mistakes, only grammar(?). I can understand if the VL was alive it wouldn't be allowed, but still.

GLD4 just doesn't seem Mafia material.

Have you guys noticed how pretty much NOBODY has defended him when he was about to get lynched? His Mafia buddies (especially knowing how there's four) would try to come to his rescue. And yet everybody is still trying to lynch him, without a single person but me defending him. Do you guys see the logic in this? It doesn't add up.

But if the Mafia play it smart and they don't defend GLD4 they won't be at risk of gaining suspicion because they defended him. I also find it kind of interesting that you mention that his Mafia buddies would try to come to his rescue and defend him, and then you come and do exactly that. Now that is suspicious.

Just a warning, but you do realize we have three more chances before we die right?
7 Townies left
4 Mafia left

If the town amount reaches the mafia amount, we lose. We need to get serious and develop a strategy to single out the mafia, before it is too late.

We haven't killed a single Mafia yet? Damn. I say it's legitimately worth the risk to at least lynch off GLD4, because if we lynch off a Mafia member, we'll have a longer time to figure out who is Mafia. Remember;
"if there's the same ammount of mafia members and townies, mafia wins."
Lets say the Mafia kills off one of us tonight, which I'm guessing will happen unless the Mafia are stupid, there will be 6 Townies left, and if we take the risk and lynch off GLD4, he could be Mafia, which would lower their count to 3. The Mafia can only win if they manage to get the Townies down to the amount of Mafia members they have left, and if we lynch off a member of theirs, it will take longer for them to do that.
If we do lynch off a Townie, we'll still have a chance to get at the Mafia.

I say at this point we take a risk and lynch somebody, or we just sit here and do nothing and have the Mafia kill us off. The only one we have a good enough lead on is GLD4 right now and even then we don't have a lot of evidence to indicate that he might be Mafia. This is really tricky.

[Marina]

you can't use edit in mafia

I'd imagine you can't use edit if it's to completely rewrite an entire post, but if it's to fix a single-word mistake, I guess that's fine. In this case, since the VL is presumed dead, I don't think it matters if you make word edits, because I don't think the Grammar Nazi counts spelling mistakes, only grammar(?). I can understand if the VL was alive it wouldn't be allowed, but still.

Well, actually that's a rule in every mafia game, even when VL and GN aren't present, to prevent people changing and faking posts. Yknow, just so that everything is recorded.

[Zeldamaster12]

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you can't use edit in mafia

I'd imagine you can't use edit if it's to completely rewrite an entire post, but if it's to fix a single-word mistake, I guess that's fine. In this case, since the VL is presumed dead, I don't think it matters if you make word edits, because I don't think the Grammar Nazi counts spelling mistakes, only grammar(?). I can understand if the VL was alive it wouldn't be allowed, but still.
You can't make edits period, you can still get punished by a GM.

GLD4 just doesn't seem Mafia material.

Have you guys noticed how pretty much NOBODY has defended him when he was about to get lynched? His Mafia buddies (especially knowing how there's four) would try to come to his rescue. And yet everybody is still trying to lynch him, without a single person but me defending him. Do you guys see the logic in this? It doesn't add up.

But if the Mafia play it smart and they don't defend GLD4 they won't be at risk of gaining suspicion because they defended him. I also find it kind of interesting that you mention that his Mafia buddies would try to come to his rescue and defend him, and then you come and do exactly that. Now that is suspicious.
You making up that theory is the same logic as me creating my theory. If he was Mafia, MORE THAN ONE Mafia member would come to his aid, if they seen he was about to be lynched (and read what I said before, there are four Mafiosos alive, more than one would defend him). Like I said, I am defending him because I don't see him being a Mafia member. There is a chance that he could be the Morpher, but there is also a chance that any of you or even a player that's already dead could be the Morpher.

Just a warning, but you do realize we have three more chances before we die right?
7 Townies left
4 Mafia left

If the town amount reaches the mafia amount, we lose. We need to get serious and develop a strategy to single out the mafia, before it is too late.

We haven't killed a single Mafia yet? Damn. I say it's legitimately worth the risk to at least lynch off GLD4, because if we lynch off a Mafia member, we'll have a longer time to figure out who is Mafia. Remember;
"if there's the same ammount of mafia members and townies, mafia wins."
Lets say the Mafia kills off one of us tonight, which I'm guessing will happen unless the Mafia are stupid, there will be 6 Townies left, and if we take the risk and lynch off GLD4, he could be Mafia, which would lower their count to 3. The Mafia can only win if they manage to get the Townies down to the amount of Mafia members they have left, and if we lynch off a member of theirs, it will take longer for them to do that.
If we do lynch off a Townie, we'll still have a chance to get at the Mafia.

I say at this point we take a risk and lynch somebody, or we just sit here and do nothing and have the Mafia kill us off. The only one we have a good enough lead on is GLD4 right now and even then we don't have a lot of evidence to indicate that he might be Mafia. This is really tricky.
You're making it seem like he's the only suspicious player here, when he's not. I've also noticed that you've been defending Magna on literally everything.

[Danny]

Well, actually that's a rule in every mafia game, even when VL and GN aren't present, to prevent people changing and faking posts. Yknow, just so that everything is recorded.

Ah, true, true.

You making up that theory is the same logic as me creating my theory. If he was Mafia, MORE THAN ONE Mafia member would come to his aid, if they seen he was about to be lynched (and read what I said before, there are four Mafiosos alive, more than one would defend him). Like I said, I am defending him because I don't see him being a Mafia member. There is a chance that he could be the Morpher, but there is also a chance that any of you or even a player that's already dead could be the Morpher.

Then what do you propose we do? If we don't lynch off GLD4, who has a pretty sturdy lead from Magna that everyone seems to agree with, then who would we lynch? The only other suspicious people would have to be you and Magna, unless there is someone else I forgot about.

You're making it seem like he's the only suspicious player here, when he's not. I've also noticed that you've been defending Magna on literally everything.

The only other suspicious players, like I said above, are Magna and you, unless you're trying to say I'm suspicious as well. Also, this is literally the only thing I've defended Magna on (that I can remember at the least, and I'm not going to look back through the many pages this thread has to look if I did anything else) because it seems like a pretty sturdy lead, and a few people already agree on it as far as I'm aware.

Can you try to convince us how GLD4 might not be Mafia? Because you don't have any claims to back you up there, and the only ones trying to deny him being Mafia is you and him. It might be a risk but it could be one worth taking because quite honestly it would really suck if he did turn out to be Mafia.

[MistakesWereMade]

you can't use edit in mafia

I'd imagine you can't use edit if it's to completely rewrite an entire post, but if it's to fix a single-word mistake, I guess that's fine. In this case, since the VL is presumed dead, I don't think it matters if you make word edits, because I don't think the Grammar Nazi counts spelling mistakes, only grammar(?). I can understand if the VL was alive it wouldn't be allowed, but still.

nazi counts spelling mistakes, not grammar (it's like right there in the role list)

[Zeldamaster12]

Fine, I'll vote for GLD4 this time, but if he cardflips green or blue, then I'm voting for Magna next.

The reason why I don't believe GLD4 is Mafia is because he hasn't been acting like it. He hasn't done anything suspicious at all, really. And don't you think it's suspicious how Magna is magically finding out all of these roles, but has no ACTUAL evidence to back it up other than him saying that he knows the role?

[Magna]

Fine, I'll vote for GLD4 this time, but if he cardflips green or blue, then I'm voting for Magna next.

The reason why I don't believe GLD4 is Mafia is because he hasn't been acting like it. He hasn't done anything suspicious at all, really. And don't you think it's suspicious how Magna is magically finding out all of these roles, but has no ACTUAL evidence to back it up other than him saying that he knows the role?

Do I have to bring my huge block of my findings just to answer your points?

1. If he card flips blue or green, it doesn't mean he is town right away. There is enough evidence on him to think he may be the morpher.
2. Hasn't been acting like Mafia? Does going around telling everyone he is the penguin and not even try to hide his role to not get killed by Mafia sound like he wasn't acting like one?
3. Look, for all I know, you may know the roles of half the people in the game at this point. I'm just being a little more open about it so that I can help the town more.
4. First of all, I already explained how I found out about the penguins, read one of my earlier posts. Second of all, do you want me to reveal the roles to you in public where everyone will see and put them in danger, or privately so you may be mafia and put them in danger?

[Julia Pseudo]

Just to clarify, you are not allowed to edit posts at all, for any reason.

[Zeldamaster12]

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Fine, I'll vote for GLD4 this time, but if he cardflips green or blue, then I'm voting for Magna next.

The reason why I don't believe GLD4 is Mafia is because he hasn't been acting like it. He hasn't done anything suspicious at all, really. And don't you think it's suspicious how Magna is magically finding out all of these roles, but has no ACTUAL evidence to back it up other than him saying that he knows the role?

Do I have to bring my huge block of my findings just to answer your points?

1. If he card flips blue or green, it doesn't mean he is town right away. There is enough evidence on him to think he may be the morpher.
There is a very low chance he's the Morpher. There is a 1 out of 20 chance that he is, and for all we know, you could be the Morpher, too.

2. Hasn't been acting like Mafia? Does going around telling everyone he is the penguin and not even try to hide his role to not get killed by Mafia sound like he wasn't acting like one?
I actually was not aware that he went around telling he was the Penguin in public. I'm guessing it was on #smbxgames or something. That actually does raise my suspicion, because like you said, that would make it seem like he isn't afraid of dying. Maybe he done that BECAUSE he's in the Mafia and he knew he wouldn't be killed by Mafia. I don't see why anyone would publicly reveal their role, especially if they were a blue.

3. Look, for all I know, you may know the roles of half the people in the game at this point. I'm just being a little more open about it so that I can help the town more.
I literally do not know anybody's role but my own.

4. First of all, I already explained how I found out about the penguins, read one of my earlier posts. Second of all, do you want me to reveal the roles to you in public where everyone will see and put them in danger, or privately so you may be mafia and put them in danger?
You say that they PMd you, but you can't prove that. I'm not stupid, I know you can't reveal them in public, and I understand why you don't want to share the info with me, but regardless, there still is no visible proof that any of this happened, you could be lying.

[Magna]

So, uh, is it time for suspicions lists?

[Zeldamaster12]

go ahead, i made mine earlier

inb4 i'm at the top

[Magna]

Here's mine:

1. GLD4 - Obvious reasons.
2. Zeldamaster12 - You keep defending GLD4, thats kinda shady especially when some of us think he is mafia. But you do seem to understand my point of view and you do look kinda innocent, so you would probably be much lower on this list.
3. TheLordKhon - Talk much? No.
4. FallingSnow - Same reason as above.
5. scizor300 - Same reason as above. Also: "i'm too innocent to be mafia"

[Zeldamaster12]

Ah, scizor, I forgot about him. Like the only post he's made is "i'm too innocent to be mafia", and he hasn't posted since (this was on the first day even).

[Danny]

Guys, don't forget that if you check the profile of a user it will tell you when they were last online, so don't go suspecting people that haven't been online since the first day.

[Danny]

Here's mine:

1. GLD4 - Obvious reasons.
2. Zeldamaster12 - You keep defending GLD4, thats kinda shady especially when some of us think he is mafia. But you do seem to understand my point of view and you do look kinda innocent, so you would probably be much lower on this list.
3. TheLordKhon - Talk much? No.
4. FallingSnow - Same reason as above.
5. scizor300 - Same reason as above. Also: "i'm too innocent to be mafia"

FallingSnow is dead as far as I'm aware, look at the first post of this thread and read the player's list.

[Zeldamaster12]

Yeah, FallingSnow is dead. Khon may be dead also, I can't remember, I'd have to go back and look into the thread.

[Zeldamaster12]

NIGHT 2 ENDED

Fallingsnow dedded

its now day 2 ok

Yep, FallingSnow is dead. Khon isn't though, I just checked. I guess I got him mistaken with The Wizard of Off.

[Magna]

Oops, in that case.

1. GLD4 - Obvious reasons.
2. Zeldamaster12 - You keep defending GLD4, thats kinda shady especially when some of us think he is mafia. But you do seem to understand my point of view and you do look kinda innocent, so you would probably be much lower on this list.
3. TheLordKhon - Talk much? No.
4. Christian07 - Kinda shady.
5. scizor300 - Same reason as TLK. Also: "i'm too innocent to be mafia"

Oh and Nien please make Jacobs name green and strike it.

[Danny]

For your convenience here is a list of the players still alive.

1-blue bomber
3-thelordkhon
5-scizor300
7-pseudo dino
8-zeldamaster
10-gld4
11-nicnkame
12-christian07
14-gmarinax
15-zlakerboy
17-8bitmushroom
19-little boo

Stolen directly from the first post and the only thing I did was remove Jacob9300Shadow from the list because apparently he's dead. If I missed anybody blame Nien.