a staff member concern

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:55 am

Look, I don't mean to stir up the pot, or in other words create drama/make anyone mad, but honestly, why is Kley a moderator? He hasn't posted since July 22nd, and he's overall a very inactive and a non-contributing member of the community.

Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone/made anyone look bad, and I have been trying to hold back making this thread, but I do indeed believe it's the right time to mention this to the public.

Postby **Marina** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:09 pm

I think the word you are searching for is "real life" and a lot of people tend to have it.

Postby **Julia Pseudo** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:12 pm

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Well, yeah, but moderators are expected to be able to be more active than the average member. There's not much good being a moderator if you're never around to moderate the forum.

Postby **Marina** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:14 pm

Well but let's turn the question around: If he doesn't do anything bad, then why should they take his moderator status away? I'm sure that when he comes back he will gladly take up his job again.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:16 pm

GLuigiX wrote:I think the word you are searching for is "real life" and a lot of people tend to have it.

A staff member who hasn't posted for a month should get demoted because they can't handle actively handling other users' behavior. And besides, Kley was never fit for the job anyway. He's much more chill and not competitive; I don't think he could handle being in charge of a thousand members. That's just my opinion, though.

GLuigiX wrote:Well but let's turn the question around: If he doesn't do anything bad, then why should they take his moderator status away? I'm sure that when he comes back he will gladly take up his job again.

Badness has nothing to do with nothing in this case.

Postby **Marina** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:22 pm

Kep wrote:And besides, Kley was never fit for the job anyway. He's much more chill and not competitive;

First of all, since when is being a staff member a competition? What's wrong with being chill? As long as he gets the job done I don't see your problem.

Kep wrote:I don't think he could handle being in charge of a thousand members.

That's why there are multiple staff members.

Kep wrote:Badness has nothing to do with nothing in this case.

Well it certainly seems to have, since you yourself just pointed out reasons as to why you think Kley is not good enough for the job.

Kep wrote: A staff member who hasn't posted for a month should get demoted because they can't handle actively handling other users' behavior.

I agree that an inactive staff member can't really help the community, but I don't see why this would be your concern?

Postby **Raster** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:24 pm

Pseudo-dino wrote:^
Well, yeah, but moderators are expected to be able to be more active than the average member. There's not much good being a moderator if you're never around to moderate the forum.

You don't have access to the Mod logs nor can you access the staff forum. Your claim doesn't have much legitimacy.

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:25 pm

Kep wrote: A staff member who hasn't posted for a month should get demoted.

He was online 3 days ago.... And honestly it's up to him if he wants to post somewhere. I only post on stuff that i find interesting.
Besides he was choosed beside Ghosthawk in the Election.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:29 pm

GLuigiX wrote:
Kep wrote:And besides, Kley was never fit for the job anyway. He's much more chill and not competitive;
First of all, since when is being a staff member a competition? What's wrong with being chill? As long as he gets the job done I don't see your problem.

Competitive has more than one definition. I'm not referring to a competition.

GLuigiX wrote:
Kep wrote:I don't think he could handle being in charge of a thousand members.
That's why there are multiple staff members.

That is irrelevant. Each staff member should in some way all have a way of handling a thousand users.

GLuigiX wrote:
Kep wrote:Badness has nothing to do with nothing in this case.
Well it certainly seems to have, since you yourself just pointed out reasons as to why you think Kley is not good enough for the job.

He's not good enough because he is overall a user who is too chill and is afraid to say anything negative, and he's also been inactive since the beginning.

GLuigiX wrote:
Kep wrote:A staff member who hasn't posted for a month should get demoted because they can't handle actively handling other users' behavior.
I agree that an inactive staff member can't really help the community, but I don't see why this would be your concern?

This is my main concern.

CaptainSyrup wrote:
Kep wrote: A staff member who hasn't posted for a month should get demoted.
He was online 3 days ago.... And honestly it's up to him if he wants to post somewhere. I only post on stuff that i find interesting.
Besides he was choosed beside Ghosthawk in the Election.

If he's a staff member, he has got to post actively because that's part of being a staff member.

And the staff election was one of the worst things that has ever been invented and should never be a part of the community again, so I don't even know what you're bringing it up.

zlaker · Postby **zlaker** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:31 pm

He's moderating, but ya can't see him in action. And you since non of us are staff members we can't really see if he has posted in the staff forum :/

Postby **Marina** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:32 pm

Well, let me put it that way: I can see that if a mod behaves badly in a way that somehow damages you or other users, you complain, and that's perfectly fine. But Kley being inactive doesn't affect you at all, there are still plenty of other mods who can help you if you need something, so I don't see why this concerns you.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:35 pm

zlakerboy357 wrote:He's moderating, but ya can't see him in action. And you since non of us are staff members we can't really see if he has posted in the staff forum :/

That's stupid. I'm sorry, but that's downright stupid.
If you're going to be staff, you have got to contribute to the community and not just to the other staff. This is another one of my main concerns.

GLuigiX wrote:Well, let me put it that way: I can see that if a mod behaves badly in a way that somehow damages you or other users, you complain, and that's perfectly fine. But Kley being inactive doesn't affect you at all, there are still plenty of other mods who can help you if you need something, so I don't see why this concerns you.

It concerns me because one who is inactive shouldn't be a moderator and shouldn't rewarded with such a good position.

Postby **Raster** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:38 pm

Allow me to clear up a few things here.

Being a moderator IS contributing to the community by taking part in staff discussion/handing out warnings and bans. Claiming otherwise is outright stupid. Even if you don't see him making posts that doesn't mean he's not contributing. One of my biggest gripes with this community is the fact that members believe they have the right to call out the staff on everything they do when the staff is clearly capable of handling itself. Really, it's none of your business Kep.

Superiorstar · Postby **Superiorstar** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:39 pm

Maybe they should make Kep a moderator then.
JK He shouldn't be down premoted, but they should still at least talk to him.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:46 pm

Raster wrote:Allow me to clear up a few things here.

Being a moderator IS contributing to the community by taking part in staff discussion/handing out warnings and bans. Claiming otherwise is outright stupid. Even if you don't see him making posts that doesn't mean he's not contributing. One of my biggest gripes with this community is that the members believe they have the right to call the staff out on everything they do when the staff is clearly capable of handling itself. Really, it's none of your business Kep.

I don't see how it's not my business when a staff member is not contributing to the community. No, I'm not saying not contributing the staff forum, as that's not "the community". And if it was a normal user not contributing to the community, it would be different. But no. This is a staff member not handling arguments, not handling locking threads, not handling clarifying things, and I highly doubt he has gave anyone warnings or bans when it seems like all of the bad users are getting banned by administrators.

Superiorstar wrote:Maybe they should make Kep a moderator then.

If you knew me better, you would think the contrary.

Superiorstar wrote:JK He shouldn't be down premoted, but they should still at least talk to him.

By down promoted, you mean demoted, right?

Postby **Raster** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:50 pm

Kep wrote:No, I'm not saying not contributing the staff forum, as that's not "the community"

Changes to this forum are a direct consequence of the discussions in the staff forum. How is that not contributing to the community? Discussions there affect your community life.

Kep wrote:But no. This is a staff member not handling arguments, not handling locking threads, not handling clarifying things, and I highly doubt he has gave anyone warnings or bans when it seems like all of the bad users are getting banned by administrators.

And you can't view the logs or the staff forum so this is all flagrant conjecture.

Postby **Marina** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:50 pm

Kep wrote: I don't see how it's not my business when a staff member is not contributing to the community. No, I'm not saying not contributing the staff forum, as that's not "the community". And if it was a normal user not contributing to the community, it would be different. But no. This is a staff member not handling arguments, not handling locking threads, not handling clarifying things, and I highly doubt he has gave anyone warnings or bans when it seems like all of the bad users are getting banned by administrators.

And again I'd like to see why this is your concern if he is not directly damaging you or other users.

zioy · Postby **zioy** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:53 pm

If activity were everything, I'd be like founder by now.
Actually, I don't think I'm fit for staff on a forum of more than ~500, I'm also really strict.
However, on a forum of 10-499, I'm not actually that bad since I can contribute. I was the founder of a forum of ~450 a few years back, for another cancelled Mario fangame (an online one) which nobody here even has heard of since the game appealed to Sonic fans (it had Sonic character playables).

FanofSMBX · Postby **FanofSMBX** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:55 pm

Raster wrote:Allow me to clear up a few things here.

Being a moderator IS contributing to the community by taking part in staff discussion/handing out warnings and bans. Claiming otherwise is outright stupid. Even if you don't see him making posts that doesn't mean he's not contributing. One of my biggest gripes with this community is the fact that members believe they have the right to call the staff out on everything they do when the staff is clearly capable of handling itself. Really, it's none of your business Kep.

People don't have the right to call out the staff?

Hawkeyeone · Postby **Hawkeyeone** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:56 pm

KoolKat wrote:If activity were everything, I'd be like founder by now.
Actually, I don't think I'm fit for staff on a forum of more than ~500, I'm also really strict.
However, on a forum of 10-499, I'm not actually that bad since I can contribute. I was the founder of a forum of ~450 a few years back, for another cancelled Mario fangame (an online one) which nobody here even has heard of since the game appealed to Sonic fans (it had Sonic character playables).

Me too probably, I'm on here all the time. I think I would make a decent staff member.

inb4 staff says im a terrible person