Complaint

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:08 pm

BTB wrote:even if he was, i bet it wasnt until it was brought up here

Joey wrote:First of all, y'all need to stop being assholes.

I mean, I didn't give him a board warning or demote him or anything, but I did talk to him about it.

BTB · Postby **BTB** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:09 pm

im not being an asshole, im asking legitimate questions
if michel gets a warning why doesnt valtteri

michel · Postby **michel** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:10 pm

Look here, I think it's time for you to start listening. What if someone else posted this entire topic in my place? Would it change the way you received it? Yes, I'm almost certainly sure it would, and the content would be the same.

What are you threatening me for? Is it because you're pissy that it was michel and pixels, who you hate so much, that got many people agree with this thread after you screwed up so badly? Are you feeling indignation because it was me that came up with such a well-elaborated complaint in which you have failed to point at least one flaw in, and you're resorting yourself to petty personal insults? Please. Give yourself a break. That's not admin material and you know it.

You don't realize that I'm trying to help. No need to jump at me like a shark.

Since I'm not a credible user,
Will you at least pay attention to the credible users who have joined my case and agree with me?

aero · Postby **aero** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:19 pm

michel wrote:Look here, I think it's time for you to start listening. What if someone else posted this entire topic in my place? Would it change the way you received it? Yes, I'm almost certainly sure it would, and the content would be the same.

What are you threatening me for? Is it because you're pissy that it was michel and pixels, who you hate so much, that got many people agree with this thread after you screwed up so badly? Are you feeling indignation because it was me that came up with such a well-elaborated complaint in which you have failed to point at least one flaw in, and you're resorting yourself to petty personal insults? Please. Give yourself a break. That's not admin material and you know it.

You don't realize that I'm trying to help. No need to jump at me like a shark.

Since I'm not a credible user,
Will you at least pay attention to the credible users who have joined my case and agree with me?

Attention is still being paid to the issue at hand since others have asked about this as well, it's not being ignored in the slightest.

michel · Postby **michel** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:20 pm

GhostHawk wrote:
michel wrote:Look here, I think it's time for you to start listening. What if someone else posted this entire topic in my place? Would it change the way you received it? Yes, I'm almost certainly sure it would, and the content would be the same.

What are you threatening me for? Is it because you're pissy that it was michel and pixels, who you hate so much, that got many people agree with this thread after you screwed up so badly? Are you feeling indignation because it was me that came up with such a well-elaborated complaint in which you have failed to point at least one flaw in, and you're resorting yourself to petty personal insults? Please. Give yourself a break. That's not admin material and you know it.

You don't realize that I'm trying to help. No need to jump at me like a shark.

Since I'm not a credible user,
Will you at least pay attention to the credible users who have joined my case and agree with me?
Attention is still being paid to the issue at hand since others have asked about this as well, it's not being ignored in the slightest.

It seems like it is, because Joey hasn't commented on it.
If you can quote at least one post in which Joey has actually talked about the locking and something actually relevant to the complaint, I'll take that back.

aero · Postby **aero** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:25 pm

Joey wrote:"we should lock less topics but if the topic is a dumb argument that isn't going anywhere then let's lock it"

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:30 pm

Joey wrote:
A few people wrote:Joey, you can't discredit michel because of his questionable history and/or everyone deserves a second chance.
Yes, I most certainly can. michel is one of those users that has been repeatedly given "second" chances and has abused them, and is pretty close to losing this one as well.

I'd like to bring to your attention that I am also one of the users who has been repeatedly given second chances, and I have also abused them, yet I keep earning myself second chances. If you want a retrospect, I'm actually a worse user than michel has been, yet he's the one getting punished just because you have some personal grudge against him, and that's not cool at all.

You haven't contributed anything major to the topic at hand, and as far as I'm aware one of the main rules is to not go off topic. You have been attacking michel because he is who he is, and I'm pretty sure the staff aren't supposed to hate on a user like you have. It isn't very respectful to him, and it puts you in a bad light. Michel is trying to help you and you are shunning his complaint and the fix for it because you deem him as a non-normal user, and it's just because you dislike him. That's just stupid.

Seriously, I've given you a few suggestions and you've turned most of them down, how are you saying that a "normal" user would change your mind if they suggested something? Do you favor some users over others? Do you prefer people that suck your dick as to the ones that aren't really keen on your choices? Michel made a very logical topic and you aren't agreeing with it just because Michel doesn't abide by your standards of a "normal" user, and that is quite frankly a stupid thing for a staff member to do.

michel · Postby **michel** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:33 pm

GhostHawk wrote:
Joey wrote:"we should lock less topics but if the topic is a dumb argument that isn't going anywhere then let's lock it"

You realize that was said in a context of him quoting something he could have said, but wasn't actually said.

Now, onto the issue at hand - I decided to take a different approach in dealing with things this time. Instead of simply stating my opinions on the issue (which, essentially, come down to "we should lock less topics but if the topic is a dumb argument that isn't going anywhere then let's lock it"), I decided to raise a question:

Meaning: instead of stating his opinion, he decided to harass me (or "just ask me a question")
i.e he never stated his opinion

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:46 pm

No, it was this:

"Instead of stating my opinion (which, by the way, is this), I decided to raise a question:"

michel · Postby **michel** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:51 pm

If you claim that your entire post (http://www.smbxgame.com/forums/v ... 429#p45429) is your opinion to this complaint, then it has no relevance whatsoever because it consists of nothing but petty personal insults, which is also the only thing you've been sending us.

You also failed to answer the question:

Since I'm not a credible user,
Will you at least pay attention to the credible users who have joined my case and agree with me?

I'm asking this because it's only fair that you pay attention to the "credible users", because you said you'd act differently to this complaint if it was posted by a more "credible user".

So there we go, the "credible users" are agreeing with this complaint. What do you have to say for yourself now?

Ignoritus · Postby **Ignoritus** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:24 pm

You know, at first just glancing over this thread I just thought Joey was being an ass for some reason. Then I actually read it the entire way through and Joey has a damn good point.

Michel has repeatedly attempted to harm this community, and he suddenly, after being completely inactive, posts a topic sarcastically criticizing the staff. He has, oh joyous, apparently decided that he cares deeply about this community. Oh and the two biggest supporters are his friends for some reason. Meanwhile he and his friends are apparently gang-repping and otherwise abusing the rep system. But joyous day he cares about the community's well-being! Or maybe. MAYBE. He just wants to start a fight? You can call "second chances" all you want, but that only means you are too new or have too short of a memory to realize how many chances he's had before this. And yeah, some people legitimately agree with the point itself, including myself. At least one moderator and one administrator have openly discussed it with these users. Joey hasn't said that the point is invalid, he's only questioned the motives of the people spearheading it.

Honestly, Joey's stance isn't surprising. The only thing surprising is his blunt manner of speaking here. But even that's not too odd when you consider Michel's history. It's too laden with "second chances" for him to want to waste his energy feigning diplomacy on someone who's made it a personal goal to cause problems on countless occasions.

michel · Postby **michel** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:28 pm

Sure, what about the lockings?

qig · Postby **qig** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:29 pm

theme song of this thread

michel · Postby **michel** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:31 pm

qig wrote:[yo utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkdh3625Rwg[/youtube]

theme song of this thread

and then Joey joined the thread and the song changed to this:

aero · Postby **aero** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:32 pm

Let's stay on topic please.

qig · Postby **qig** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:34 pm

always alert
down in the dirt
bringing the hurt

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:41 pm

Ignoritus wrote:Meanwhile he and his friends are apparently gang-repping and otherwise abusing the rep system.

But where are you getting your proof from, because I haven't actually done anything of the sort, and please point out where you feel I have done that, because I haven't, I can assure you of this. Stop making asinine assumptions such as these.

Ignoritus · Postby **Ignoritus** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:44 pm

8bitmushroom wrote:
Ignoritus wrote:Meanwhile he and his friends are apparently gang-repping and otherwise abusing the rep system.
But where are you getting your proof from, because I haven't actually done anything of the sort, and please point out where you feel I have done that, because I haven't, I can assure you of this. Stop making asinine assumptions such as these.

Huh, just CTRL-F'd my post for "8bitmushroom". No results. Maybe you should stop making asinine assumptions yourself?

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:52 pm

Ignoritus wrote:Huh, just CTRL-F'd my post for "8bitmushroom". No results. Maybe you should stop making asinine assumptions yourself?

Last I checked, Joey said that Pixels and I were michel's friends, and he questioned why we were the only ones discussing this complaint. This means I am completely relevant, as I am indeed one of michel's friends, though I have not committed to such behavior such as gang-repping. Just because you didn't mention my username doesn't mean I'm irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Ignoritus wrote:Meanwhile he and his friends are apparently gang-repping and otherwise abusing the rep system.

I am one of michel's friends. Where are you getting your proof from, because I haven't actually done anything of the sort, and please point out where you feel I have done that, because I haven't, I can assure you of this. Stop making asinine assumptions such as these. Please try answering my question again.