Are Toad and Peach underpowered because they can't...

FanofSMBX · Postby **FanofSMBX** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:06 pm

Ride Yoshi or slide slopes?

Do you guys think it "waters down" what you can do in level design because you can't use those elements? I kinda do.

Postby **Magna** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:08 pm

FanofSMBX wrote:Ride Yoshi or slide slopes?

Do you guys think it "waters down" what you can do in level design because you can't use those elements? I kinda do.

They are underpowered because they are underdeveloped. Redigit never got the time to actually give them the same abilities as Mario and Luigi do.

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:17 pm

They were created so because they acted like this in SMB2.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:22 pm

Blue Greed wrote:They are underpowered because they are underdeveloped. Redigit never got the time to actually give them the same abilities as Mario and Luigi do.

Such a fallacy. They were developed to the same length as Mario, Luigi, and Link. Redigit designed them as they were played in SMB2.

RudeGuy · Postby **RudeGuy** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:23 pm

FanofSMBX wrote:Ride Yoshi or slide slopes?

Do you guys think it "waters down" what you can do in level design because you can't use those elements? I kinda do.

They have special abilities (Peach can fly and Toad is very fast) and those elements aren't really a big thing.

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Also they can hold their fireballs and throw them up and Mario and Luigi can't do this.

zlaker · Postby **zlaker** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:28 pm

GrätselBüchner wrote:Also they can hold their fireballs and throw them up and Mario and Luigi can't do this.

Toad has the ability to double jump in Raccoon/Tanooki form which non of the bros can Peach's fireball bounces off the wall. So I wouldn't call em underpowered

FanofSMBX · Postby **FanofSMBX** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:32 pm

Okay maybe underpowered was the wrong word. What I mean was, if you were making a Mario Luigi Toad Peach episode, would it feel limiting to not make Yoshi absolutely mandatory?

RudeGuy · Postby **RudeGuy** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:38 pm

FanofSMBX wrote:What I mean was, if you were making a Mario Luigi Toad Peach episode, would it feel limiting to not make Yoshi absolutely mandatory?

Yoshi mustn't be a limitation in projects of this kind.

Chad · Postby **Chad** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:32 am

The only limitations Peach and Toad really have are the inability to ride Yoshis or slide, and in Peach's case, no spin-jumping. Even the latter can be solved by designing areas so that where spin-jumping is necessary, Peach can still hover over those parts. As for Yoshis and sliding, hardly anyone makes use of those. Boots aren't a bad substitute for Yoshis, but filters can be set up if they're really needed.

So there are a few limitations, but if you can work around them (even if it isn't in a graceful fashion), you should be good. It's best that you do if they're playable options, but if you'd rather not go through the trouble, don't make them playable.

YouTube · Postby **bossedit8** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:50 am

I made a SMBX Episode with no Boots and Yoshis but you can play with Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad. Also, as a Peach's Note, if she has a Leaf or a Tanooki Power Up, she can hover longer but her flight like any other playable characters is not the same (she jumps very very high after running but on a lower rate while flying).