Great Extravaganza 2 - RESULS (POSTED BY RYAA)

Phazon1111 · Postby **Phazon1111** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:32 pm

id like to participate

Postby **ElectriKong** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:45 am

If you are unable to complete your levels in a week:

Are you still using the Legacy Editor?
If yes, get 2.0, which has PGE, because you are behind the times. PGE is a more efficient engine to make your levels, so you will automatically get faster at building levels

How well does your PC perform?
The slower your PC the slower your editor (hopefully PGE now) will load. The slower your editor loads the longer it takes for you to finish you level. If this prevents you from finishing it in one week, once again, you are behind the times. Upgrade your PC or buy a new one.

If after both of these you still cannot complete your level in a week, you are an inherenty bad level designer. Ask good level designers for advice to get better. Heck,try to complete your levels in less time. The better a level is, the less time it took to finish it. The best contest levels were started literally the day before the deadline, like this awsome masterpiece.

The0x539 · Postby **The0x539** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:58 am

i am an inherently bad level designer

Postby **Valentine** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:06 am

The0x539 wrote:i am an inherently bad level designer

wrong I think.

Zha Hong Lang · Postby **Zha Hong Lang** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:47 am

The0x539 wrote:i am an inherently bad level designer

same, it took me a week just to learn lua let alone finish my level

Waddle · Postby **Waddle** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:04 am

I

am in.

PixelPest · Postby **PixelPest** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:33 am

Sanct wrote:Also the deadline is shortened because you only need a week

December 8th's the new deadline.

You didn't change the OP

crusher169 · Postby **crusher169** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:51 pm

even though ive already entered, i feel obligated to say im going to enter regardless.

Black Mamba · Postby **Black Mamba** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:37 pm

Postby **Valentine** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:37 pm

added

MECHDRAGON777 · Postby **MECHDRAGON777** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:09 pm

Who judges judge levels?

PixelPest · Postby **PixelPest** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:11 pm

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Who judges judge levels?

Judges

xDestroy · Postby **xDestroy** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:14 pm

PixelPest wrote:
MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Who judges judge levels?
Judges

Who judges judges judges levels however

MECHDRAGON777 · Postby **MECHDRAGON777** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:54 pm

xDestroy wrote:
PixelPest wrote:
MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Who judges judge levels?
Judges
Who judges judges judges levels however

I mean, the reason it is flawed is the following:

If a judge submits, it means of of two things:

A: That judge gets one less score so there average will drop. We will use the following scores for both levels in this example:
Judge A 5 5
Judge B 7 7
Judge C 10 This is their level
Judge D 1 1
Well, the averages for these levels are: 5.75 for the non-judge and 4.3 repeating for the Judge. If this was Judge D's level, the results would be 5.75 and 7.3. Seems unfair to both the judge and the person who that is up against the judge in this regard.

B: Backup judge judges them, but then you need to worry:
Will they view the judges levels the same way as the missing judge does? It leads to a sense of non-uniformity.

This is why Judges are not allowed to submit. They are forced to make a post-game level instead.

PixelPest · Postby **PixelPest** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:12 pm

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:
xDestroy wrote:
PixelPest wrote: Judges
Who judges judges judges levels however
I mean, the reason it is flawed is the following:

If a judge submits, it means of of two things:

A: That judge gets one less score so there average will drop. We will use the following scores for both levels in this example:
Judge A 5 5
Judge B 7 7
Judge C 10 This is their level
Judge D 1 1
Well, the averages for these levels are: 5.75 for the non-judge and 4.3 repeating for the Judge. If this was Judge D's level, the results would be 5.75 and 7.3. Seems unfair to both the judge and the person who that is up against the judge in this regard.

B: Backup judge judges them, but then you need to worry:
Will they view the judges levels the same way as the missing judge does? It leads to a sense of non-uniformity.

This is why Judges are not allowed to submit. They are forced to make a post-game level instead.

In tons of contests a backup judge is used. I don't see it as an issue

Postby **ElectriKong** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:38 am

Ace pointed out that back-up judges affect the consistency, meaning levels by level judges will be judged under different views compared to normal participants. So back-up judges are not a solution. The solution to the judges submitting levels and then having 1 less judge for that level is to not allow judges to submit. Just because many contests used something does not mean all contests should.

RhysOwens · Postby **RhysOwens** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:27 am

Fine I'm going to perform the everyday activity of humans signing up for a contest which will hopefully not go down in flames.

Zha Hong Lang · Postby **Zha Hong Lang** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:34 am

Whatever option is taken for judges submitting their own levels is personal preference, and an evaluation of the situation. At one point, SMBX contests were so small that not letting judges participate would result in a tiny contest. Backup judges were used at first, then once the contests had enough judges to justify a slightly smaller average, backups were no longer used. Now the common approach is for judges' levels to simply remain in the contest episode, as seen in the MaGLX series and SCC (even though it's not out yet, judges didn't participate).