Mafia Discussion

[Cedur]

"No screenshots" is an elementary rule. It is followed because everyone understands that it's completely breaking the point of the game if you abuse screenshots. With a medium, the same would apply for talk between dead players / other players talking to dead players, and people would understand it too.

[ElectriKong]

There is no way that rules based on what you can and can't do regarding PMs used to play Mafia can be enforced.

[Danny]

Then you can also not regulate if players screenshot their role PMs to eachother or do any other private talk after death or whatever.

"No screenshots" is an elementary rule. It is followed because everyone understands that it's completely breaking the point of the game if you abuse screenshots.

The issue is that players in the past have posted screenshots through PM/DM. While people follow it in the thread because the rule is enforced, once you delve into private message territory, rules can't be enforced unless a GM is there immediately, or someone reports it, which not very many people do. Any argument you have on how Medium roles should be allowed will not help your case any bit. Putting up rules only stops people from publicly doing something.

Any abilities that let you interact with dead players (with the exception of Graverobber, Amnesiac, or Dissector roles) are not allowed, please do not argue against this.

[PersonNamedUser]

It may feel like bias, but i feel like at some point we should have a host signups where only people who have never hosted are allowed to submit.
I know there's the thing with if people don't want to play a game they don't need to vote for it, but if you think about just how much time people may be spending coming up with mechanics only to never get a chance to host it, it feels a bit unfair. Infact, i've looked through all of the previous mafia games that have happened, no, not read them, but saw them, and noticed that we barely have any mafia games hosts aside from Danny, Sanct, Pseudo, Joey, Etc. I dunno how people will respond to this, but i just wanted this to be noticed.

[kr4k1n]

It may feel like bias, but i feel like at some point we should have a host signups where only people who have never hosted are allowed to submit.

I feel like new blood can encourage more people to participate in Mafia and eventually become hosts as well

[Thehelmetguy1]

I might attempt to sign up as host when I get free time. At the point I sign up as host again I will hopefully have more reputation in mafia.

[ShadowStarX]

Any abilities that let you interact with dead players (with the exception of Graverobber, Amnesiac, or Dissector roles) are not allowed, please do not argue against this.

Do the Deputy, Sidekick and Nurse count as types of graverobbers?

[Julia Pseudo]

Yeah for sure. The point of the no-revivers rule is ultimately that communication with dead players by living player is not allowed. This includes the revival of formerly dead players since they can gather information from dead players while they're dead.

The Deputy, etc. doesn't do any of that so they're all good.

[MECHDRAGON777]

Any abilities that let you interact with dead players (with the exception of Graverobber, Amnesiac, or Dissector roles) are not allowed, please do not argue against this.

Do the Deputy, Sidekick and Nurse count as types of graverobbers?

Thanks for mentioning the Amnesiac I guess.

[ElectriKong]

It may feel like bias, but i feel like at some point we should have a host signups where only people who have never hosted are allowed to submit.
I know there's the thing with if people don't want to play a game they don't need to vote for it, but if you think about just how much time people may be spending coming up with mechanics only to never get a chance to host it, it feels a bit unfair. Infact, i've looked through all of the previous mafia games that have happened, no, not read them, but saw them, and noticed that we barely have any mafia games hosts aside from Danny, Sanct, Pseudo, Joey, Etc. I dunno how people will respond to this, but i just wanted this to be noticed.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Wow, so this is how being killed on night 1 feels like

[underFlo]

I don't think signups for new hosts are a good idea. If their games are good, they will certainly be voted for and I'm afraid that the quality of the games if that were to happen would decline. One thing I would support is increasing the limit on consecutive hosting, so people have to wait 2 or more games before hosting.

[Thehelmetguy1]

People actually have to wait 2 games.

[Danny]

I don't think signups for new hosts are a good idea. If their games are good, they will certainly be voted for and I'm afraid that the quality of the games if that were to happen would decline. One thing I would support is increasing the limit on consecutive hosting, so people have to wait 2 or more games before hosting.

It's a rotation system currently. As an example, Pseudo hosted M37, and I hosted M38. Pseudo and I were unable to host M39, and once the M40 host signups come around, it will shift to me and witchking not being able to sign up. Do you think this rotation should be extended? The majority already said no.

[glitch4]

Me: I will be active on this game!
Mafia/Warlord: OH SHIT TIME TO KILL glitch4 ASAP! >:)

[ShadowStarX]

Well I personally think now that the current system can stay exactly as it is... I mean, the new host signup system unintentionally resulted in two people who have never hosted before get into the top 4. (and one of them getting to host since the winner wasn't able to start hosting in time)

There are some people who I really feel bad for since they MIGHT've only lost because they have a bad reputation.

[Danny]

I mean, the new host signup system unintentionally resulted in two people who have never hosted before get into the top 4.

I don't really think the significance of people having never hosted a game before versus people who have already hosted is as big as everyone likes to make it out to be.

[Thehelmetguy1]

I don't think that has anything to do with the new rules, the fact is that the games were good.

[ElectriKong]

New hosts are a rarity these days though. M39 is the first Mafia game that is hosted by a new person that does not have moderator positions in 8 games, or 10 months (though we did have that 2 month hiatus, but it is still over half a year if we exclude it). I did not count Waddle Derp since he already had a moderator position and so there was already trust in him. I feel that the reason for the lack of new hosts is because there is a lack of trust for those who did not host before, because of the risk that they will be a bad host. If voters have that mindset, then it will be very hard to host a game of mafia if you have not hosted one previously, which makes hosting mafia seem more of a privileged position, similar to being a mod etc. Therefore I feel that this should be implemented. It does not have to occur often (maybe only once every 5 games) and if people dislike your game if you hosted it (or the way you hosted), then they probably won't vote for you again. And we would still get what people think are the best quality of games. Extending the cool down period between hosting games does not work (or is only a temporary solution) as we would eventually fall into the same situations of mafia hosting rotating around the same people, and even if that period extends so far back that it forces there to be new hosts, it would bring with it new problems, so MosaicMario's suggestion would be the best if it isn't too often.

I feel that TNTTimelord won because he had a game type not seen in ages and Witchking had it lucky.

[Thehelmetguy1]

I am not sure. Most players trust more on people that made a good hosting previously.