M38 TAKE TWO: The Mafia Returns (TOWN VICTORY)

[MECHDRAGON777]

And by answer I mean what he is gonna say

Based on the cry, PixelPest was I spected Last night. What if he turns up yellow or red?

[Cedur]

I was jailed, luckily. I guess it's likely to assume that the mafia went after me.

PixelPest, were you transported this night?

[Cedur]

Different question, was anybody else transported? If they are innocent, can they please help figuring out what the Driver did?

[Danny]

Hey guys, just for future reference, you don't need to be so hostile with your posts. It's just a game, and there is no need for name-calling and getting overly aggressive. I've been seeing a lot of rather hostile messages being sent here, on Discord, and through DMs/PMs. While playing aggressively is quite fine and a viable tactic, you don't need to act out this aggression towards specific players for their behavior or otherwise. It is understandable to be frustrated towards your teammates or other players, but you do not need to take this frustration out on them, and if you have an issue with someone specifically, do not hesitate to bring it to a gamemaster (Pseudo or I). This is supposed to be a fun game and should not be a place to vent anger onto people, hopefully we can adjust to that.

[Cedur]

Just to be clear though, this is solely a theory. I'm not suggesting we immediately pile on and Lynch Shroom, but I think it's reasonable for me to explain why I'm still a little unsure of him and show why this is a really silly excuse for a Lynch on his part. I have been pro-Town the whole game

Well, I'm sorry for my harsh words, nevertheless, your theory holds zero ground. Drop it please, and everybody else drop it too. Two blues died, so you not only guess but you loudly assert that I couldn't be trusted with the alliance. TNT was a random pick, he didn't claim to me. Witchking could have been a random pick too, if anything he could have died because he leaked his role to ShadowStar. The jailkeeper didn't protect me, so if I hadn't been silenced, we could have cleared things up a lot earlier. You leaving me groping in the dark about your identity is nothing but anti-town. If you're blue you should have claimed blue. And if not, or if you still didn't feel safe for whatever reason, you should have responded "not blue" to my first messages, without any instigating and bringing up accusations that I may be scum, when I'm clearly not. Then I had no other choice but giving you a threat, and you played condescending mind games in terms of "you have no information about me, do what you want, you'll regret it." The other blues also have disapproved of your behaviour, and I used the town crier's ability to show that the alliance stands together.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Did you get any claims, Shroom?

[PixelPest]

Just to be clear though, this is solely a theory. I'm not suggesting we immediately pile on and Lynch Shroom, but I think it's reasonable for me to explain why I'm still a little unsure of him and show why this is a really silly excuse for a Lynch on his part. I have been pro-Town the whole game

Well, I'm sorry for my harsh words, nevertheless, your theory holds zero ground. Drop it please, and everybody else drop it too. Two blues died, so you not only guess but you loudly assert that I couldn't be trusted with the alliance. TNT was a random pick, he didn't claim to me. Witchking could have been a random pick too, if anything he could have died because he leaked his role to ShadowStar. The jailkeeper didn't protect me, so if I hadn't been silenced, we could have cleared things up a lot earlier. You leaving me groping in the dark about your identity is nothing but anti-town. If you're blue you should have claimed blue. And if not, or if you still didn't feel safe for whatever reason, you should have responded "not blue" to my first messages, without any instigating and bringing up accusations that I may be scum, when I'm clearly not. Then I had no other choice but giving you a threat, and you played condescending mind games in terms of "you have no information about me, do what you want, you'll regret it." The other blues also have disapproved of your behaviour, and I used the town crier's ability to show that the alliance stands together.

There are many people you don't know the identity of. That doesn't mean that they're anti-Town. And you're being weirdly defensive when I'm not convicting you of anything, just suggesting a possibility that would explain my suspicions and the death of one of the Blues. You seem to like saying "drop it" a lot when you're whining about things not going your way and just use that to try to get past what I'm saying. Maybe you should actually explain why my theory holds zero ground (it holds ground for sure and could be a possible explanation for both your behaviour and the death of a Blue who you stated claimed to you). Your defensiveness imo is also making you look even more guilty in my eyes when I just said that my theory was solely a theory and that I'm not holding it against you. It's important to consider all of the sides and I won't be pushed by your arrogance and threatening (as you can see I'm not falling to that level nor will I take it to heart so don't do that again since you know it won't work on me). I'd like to not be narrow-minded and think it's important to consider all of the possibilities, including that Shroom could be Mafia or TP.

But I'll say it one more time to get it into your head Shroom: I'm not accusing you of anything. Just pondering about explanations.

All you did by being defensive and shooting down a theory (which I didn't hold against you at that time) makes you look a little guilty and desperate to hide something

[Cedur]

The possibility of me being mafia/SK just doesn't exist this time. Again, I went to bed around 11 PM. Then there comes the reroll, with me not saying anything on it.

So you still consider it a possibility that I stayed up through the night, silently watched a reroll to happen, hid my online status, being certain that the setup phase would be over after five hours while last time it took significantly longer, and then waiting another three hours to say "I just woke up so I'm confirmed vanilla townie"? Do you really consider this realistic in any way? You cannot. It's really way too far-fetched from you, and by withholding your information you've really let the town down. You would have a point about not trusting an unconfirmed alliance leader under normal circumstances without this foolproof meta evidence, in which case there wouldn't even exist a blue alliance formed by Night 1.

And while we're at it, were you transported this night?

[PixelPest]

I had no ability used on me to my knowledge and stop guilt tripping me. "You've really let the Town down" is getting pretty old now that you've repeated it over and over. And no, I've already said that I don't accept that as evidence so stop forcing it down my throat now . Yes the possibility exists and your unneeded defensive behaviour makes you look even more like you're trying to hide something

[PixelPest]

And if you really are innocent, prove it. Get off my back and stop being so defensive when I haven't accused you of anything and been pro-Town the whole game with no exception

[Cedur]

What I've just posted about the reroll and the set-up phase should serve as enough evidence for innocence, and multiple people, like Jacob, ShadowStar, Mega and thehelmetguy, absolutely support it.

I also don't say that I hold your theory against you for the sake of suspicion. You used it as an excuse to refuse claiming. If you had played along, and a simple "I'm not blue" would already have been enough to clear off any confusion. That's why I had to play it down.

Either way, PixelPest, the Sheriff inspected you yellow. You may be the millwright, but while at this point it's also you who's barely willing to listen to anything, and the millwright being dead could prove useful anyway should we get another yellow cardflip.

[Cedur]

If you had played along, and a simple "I'm not blue" would already have been enough to clear off any confusion.

fixed "If you had played along, and a simple 'I'm not blue' would already have been enough, it would have cleared off any confusion"

[PixelPest]

What I've just posted about the reroll and the set-up phase should serve as enough evidence for innocence, and multiple people, like Jacob, ShadowStar, Mega and thehelmetguy, absolutely support it.

I also don't say that I hold your theory against you for the sake of suspicion. You used it as an excuse to refuse claiming. If you had played along, and a simple "I'm not blue" would already have been enough to clear off any confusion. That's why I had to play it down.

Either way, PixelPest, the Sheriff inspected you yellow. You may be the millwright, but while at this point it's also you who's barely willing to listen to anything, and the millwright being dead could prove useful anyway should we get another yellow cardflip.

As we've referenced before, claiming gives the Mafia/TP a possibility of someone to eliminate from the list of possible suspects of specials. Since you were being very irrational from my point of view and trying to coerce me into claiming, at that point I wanted to play it so that in your eyes you wouldn't send the Vigi after someone who could be the last Blue since at that point you held everything against me. As you can see from Shroom's post that I am the Millwright. If I was to have claimed I would have claimed Townie.

If you look at my activity as well throughout the game, it's by no means indicative of TP. I supported the alliance N1 and helped formulate a plan to make it more sturdy (which was not actually executed since people kinda rushed into it). I wouldn't have been paranoid about Shroom and his "meta-evidence" of being asleep during the re-roll being false if I was TP. If Shroom was to have been Mafia in that case TP wouldn't care since they'd be less likely to be inspected by a special role. Lynching me will just get the Mafia and true TP closer to winning. Your reason for Lynching me that I'm barely willing to listen to anything and that by getting rid of the Millwright will make it easier to find the other Yellow-Cardflipping player is unjustified; it's not that I didn't listen to you, it's that I wanted to be cautious of you when there's evidence that I see as superficial to support your innocence. And also, I never tried to impede your Blue alliance, much less did I ruin it, I just suggested a plan that would make it more sound (even though it wasn't followed). Also by Lynching me, your reasoning is flawed again, it will not make it easier to find the real TP. No idea where you got this from, but you already know my Cardflip colour so whether I'm dead or not doesn't make it easier or harder to find TP

[PixelPest]

To sum this up, I've been for the alliance the whole game, even if I didn't support rushing into it before Shroom was confirmed safe, and even tried to help stabilize it. I never even tried to infiltrate the alliance. So basically you'll just be Lynching an innocent, pro-Town player who unluckily received the Townie role that Cardflips Yellow

[PixelPest]

Now that we have a Blue alliance though, before all bandwagonning against me I think we should take a step back and have Shroom try to figure out who he does not know the Cardflip colour for that is still alive and propose another target who has not been pro-Town the entire game. He said earlier that he suspects ShadowStarX to be the Godfather, although personally I have no evidence against him, but there are many other viable targets and since there are still a good number of Mafia left and TP, we have a good chance of hitting a good target through a Lynch based on what Shroom's collected through claims from live players and readings from the Sheriff

[PersonNamedUser]

Pixelpest, hontestly, rather than voting for you, because of the fact that your basically confirmed town, if what you said about being millwright is true. instead of jumping on what the Majority is probably going to do, i'm going to go with what is other best lead we have which is ShadowstarX

[PersonNamedUser]

Actually, i just realized, it's better to vote to lynch someone who has a 50/50 shot of being TP, than voting someone who may not even be mafia
to begin with. So sorry Pixelpest

[PixelPest]

Actually, i just realized, it's better to vote to lynch someone who has a 50/50 shot of being TP, than voting someone who may not even be mafia
to begin with. So sorry Pixelpest

You said it yourself that it isn't a 50/50 percent chance. I've been pro-Town the whole game and did my best to help make sure that the alliance was stronger, which a Third Party player would not do. If you look at my posting habits throughout this game and my activity, I've always been for the Town

[Cedur]

In fact, I don't consider the odds of PixelPest's role to be 50/50 to begin with. He's withholded information that was absolutely vital for me, he's played mind games through DM, and he's pondered on very far-fetched theories to say I might not be safely confirmed, so it's false from him to say that he aided the town. It delayed the process of bringing the blues together and gathering evidence. A Sheriff inspection couldn't confirm me safe in a game with a godfather and two millers, it would be quite a waste, but you can rely on the meta-evidence to be 100% foolproof.

Either way, I don't really consider ShadowStar a good lead anymore and so far he hasn't really decepted the town in any way. Anybody apart from SSX and PP is a mystery in terms of cardflip color. Besides PP, potential leads are still on Pseudo and PPX, according to my previous list and the Crier's message.

[PixelPest]

The only reason I didn't claim to you is because you tried to blackmail me into it. I tried my best to help the Town with completely good intentions and even if it wasn't followed I was trying to help. It wouldn't have changed the outcome either way.

And Shroom, stop claiming that I've done things I haven't and lying to everyone about me. I did not play mindgames. All I did is not claim as you sweared at, threatened, and blackmailed me. So back off and find yourself some honesty. My actions had no influence on bringing the Blues together. I brought up a possible explanation of how the Blues' deaths could be connected to you and said specifically that I'm not convicting you of anything and all you did was shoot me down and get all defensive for no reason at all