Mafia Discussion

[Cedur]

The rules just say "dead players shall not release any information about the game", e.g. claiming their role or hinting any other information / suspicions / whatever. I've assured myself before I responded. (I could have already posted in this thread as well)

Also the no-edit stuff should be loosened a little. E.g. if you accidentally mess-up BBcodes, do you really have to report yourself?

Good thing is that this helps to point out these loopholes and to make the rules more concise.

And if another beginner happens to pull off an early unreasonable move, please don't treat them haughtily and please don't refuse to believe them on principle just because they're new. And I'll also repeat myself that a minimum of votes to put someone to trial should be considered.

Also btw I'm male

[Julia Pseudo]

The reason post editing is so heavily restricted is that it's impossible to tell what was in the post before it was edited. It would be trivial to significantly edit a post and add the edit reason "spelling" or something like that. It would be way too easy to do something shady with. This is highly unlikely to change since double posting is not a big deal or anything.

[Doesntpostverymuch]

I'm testing waddle derp in the game to see if he's really the hippie, because if he says no to my question, that means he's not the hippie OR there's more then one hippie.

[PixelPest]

I'm testing waddle derp in the game to see if he's really the hippie, because if he says no to my question, that means he's not the hippie OR there's more then one hippie.

I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to do that kind of thing (talk about the specifics of the game outside of the thread). But anyway, there is not more than one Hippie and how do you know MosaicMario isn't lying?

[Doesntpostverymuch]

I'm testing waddle derp in the game to see if he's really the hippie, because if he says no to my question, that means he's not the hippie OR there's more then one hippie.

I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to do that kind of thing (talk about the specifics of the game outside of the thread). But anyway, there is not more than one Hippie and how do you know MosaicMario isn't lying?

MosaicMario claimed hippie?

Well if WaddleDerp says Yes then Mosaic has to be lying.

[PixelPest]

I'm testing waddle derp in the game to see if he's really the hippie, because if he says no to my question, that means he's not the hippie OR there's more then one hippie.

I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to do that kind of thing (talk about the specifics of the game outside of the thread). But anyway, there is not more than one Hippie and how do you know MosaicMario isn't lying?

MosaicMario claimed hippie?

Well if WaddleDerp says Yes then Mosaic has to be lying.

I'm taking this to the game thread and will respond to it there, since that's where it belongs

[TLtimelord]

Bandwagons are a part of Mafia just like everythimg else. There can and have been tight votes before, it's just that this time the case was clear for most people. This seems like a really silly reason to ragequit.

There was no substantial evidence.
Supershroom not being good at mafia is not substantial evidence. They shouldn't be blamed. You're the one to blame for starting a bandwagon with shitty reasons.

Let me restate to everybody, if we ever learn anything from Mechdragon or Jacob (in his early games), poor wording and stupid reasons is nowhere near substantial evidence and it's all a complete gamble when we lynch people for like reasons.

[underFlo]

Bandwagons are a part of Mafia just like everythimg else. There can and have been tight votes before, it's just that this time the case was clear for most people. This seems like a really silly reason to ragequit.

There was no substantial evidence.
Supershroom not being good at mafia is not substantial evidence. They shouldn't be blamed. You're the one to blame for starting a bandwagon with shitty reasons.

What the fuck? I didn't start the bandwagon. I never directly accused Supershroom until he already had like 3 votes, I just defended myself up until that point (unless that counts as starting a bandwagon to you???).

Also, what's up with your obsession on targeting me? First there was your snarky comment towards me in the game and now you accuse me of starting a bandwagon. Yes, I kinda was the cause of it, but I by no means started it.

[Zeldamaster12]

Bandwagons are a part of Mafia just like everythimg else. There can and have been tight votes before, it's just that this time the case was clear for most people. This seems like a really silly reason to ragequit.

There was no substantial evidence.
Supershroom not being good at mafia is not substantial evidence. They shouldn't be blamed. You're the one to blame for starting a bandwagon with shitty reasons.

Let me restate to everybody, if we ever learn anything from Mechdragon or Jacob (in his early games), poor wording and stupid reasons is nowhere near substantial evidence and it's all a complete gamble when we lynch people for like reasons.

If there's a lead on someone then I'd rather vote for that person over using RNG to pick someone completely random. You could say we could've never even voted but the fact of the matter is, you can't just stall lynch votes the whole game. It's happened before and we know how that worked out.

I don't know what's put you in such a sour mood, but here's the thing. Didn't you already say you were "quitting" Mafia before? And here you stood playing yet again. I'm sorry you don't like the way we play here since it's oh-so terrible. Nobody said you HAVE to play so stop throwing a fit, and stop targetting Spinda for something he didn't do.

[Julia Pseudo]

I'm looking for a substitute for Bomber57, if anyone's interested in that. He hasn't been on the forums since the game started.

(also yeah I'm gonna say that direct game-related talk should be kept out of this thread while the game's still ongoing)

[Shadow Yoshi]

Bandwagoning is a legitimate tactic but it's not cool when people do it out of laziness or for no reason.

Post editing and posting after death (except in the case of a totem role for the latter) will never be allowed in any form. Replying to posts after death is also dumb and does nothing but screw up the game further and make things harder for the staff, so don't do that.

You must have played a few games of Mafia and seem to be competent enough before you're allowed to host. Hosting rights are decided at the discretion of the Game Masters.

I don't know what happened with Supershroom, but if he made a beginner's mistake then that's fine. Players can still use that against him in terms of the game, as it's a mistake just like any other mistake and it would be unfair to excuse him from normal gameplay just because he's new. What's not okay is being mean to him because he's new or getting too frustrated with his mistake. I hope that clears some things up but if it doesn't then let me know.

[Julia Pseudo]

I no longer need a sub for Bomber, since he's here now.

[MECHDRAGON777]

Bandwagons are a part of Mafia just like everythimg else. There can and have been tight votes before, it's just that this time the case was clear for most people. This seems like a really silly reason to ragequit.

There was no substantial evidence.
Supershroom not being good at mafia is not substantial evidence. They shouldn't be blamed. You're the one to blame for starting a bandwagon with shitty reasons.

Let me restate to everybody, if we ever learn anything from Mechdragon or Jacob (in his early games), poor wording and stupid reasons is nowhere near substantial evidence and it's all a complete gamble when we lynch people for like reasons.

What about poor wording has made me a target?

[PixelPest]

Bandwagons are a part of Mafia just like everythimg else. There can and have been tight votes before, it's just that this time the case was clear for most people. This seems like a really silly reason to ragequit.

There was no substantial evidence.
Supershroom not being good at mafia is not substantial evidence. They shouldn't be blamed. You're the one to blame for starting a bandwagon with shitty reasons.

Let me restate to everybody, if we ever learn anything from Mechdragon or Jacob (in his early games), poor wording and stupid reasons is nowhere near substantial evidence and it's all a complete gamble when we lynch people for like reasons.

What about poor wording has made me a target?

I think it was in M27 ot M28

[Cedur]

The reason why I've used the Edit button is that firstly, I use to take the usual no-double-post rule quite seriously, and secondly I thought it might be tolerated if it doesn't show any signs of abuse or maliciousness (similarily with posting after death; also npromin didn't use to enforce rules strictly on Runouw). Well, the solution is simply to think a lot and preview sufficiently before submitting, even if that's easier said than done at times.

I'm still waiting for responses on the idea of having a minimum amount of votes required. If that had been a thing, my over-hasty vote on Spinda wouldn't have done any harm even though it couldn't be taken back, and it wouldn't have backfired on me.

After settling that, I'd wish to have the subject dropped and say "New game, new luck".

[underFlo]

Problem is, how exactly would the minimum amount of required votes be determined? Is it determined by the amount of players? If so, voteblocking roles like the Hippie in this game could make it impossible to reach that minumum.

In the end, it's also just a thing of players taking responsibility for their votes.

[PixelPest]

In the end, it's also just a thing of players taking responsibility for their votes.

Also, it's hard to tell what someone has said beforeif they edit their post, and for example if something backfires on somebody, they could just edit a post and say like, "You're crazy, what are you talking about? I never said that." Accountability is a big issue sometimes and just avoiding editing is a good way to make it not an issue when it really counts

[Cedur]

Yeah, tbh I understand the message of this rule and I'll try my best to follow it properly.

For the lower bound of votes required to have someone lynched, I'd say it should be 3 and it also doesn't have to apply for all days, just for the first two days or such. Actually it seems like I wasn't the first one to run into this beginner's mistake and I won't be the last one either.

[PixelPest]

It's always been majority and I'm pretty sure it states that in the rules. I personally don't believe that we should have to accommodate the lesser and ignorant of the population when they can easily figure it out themselves

[MacheTheFerret]

This level of arguing is why we should play Town of Salem. There's no time or room for it there.