Wouldn't taking away the power from LJ's make the "badge" purely cosmetic, while still telling users "Hey, they know what they're talking about"?Valtteri wrote:Turned down in the light of the fact that we're already pretty much doing that. The only difference would be passing the level judges' mod duties to the moderators and it wouldn't fix anything to just have the mods do the moving instead of the judges.
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I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.You mean like how Kley was promoted because the admins thought he was a competent moderator? I've stood away from jumping into the staff-hating bandwagon, mainly because i'm perfectly fine with most of the staff right now. But the category your response falls into needs to be sent six thousand feet down. Whenever someone complains about how things are run on this forum, some admin jumps in and says "We do this because we know what's best for the community" like if you were our fucking adopted parents or some shit. At least, if you're going to respond like this, give us some arguments, it's like if i said that hitler did nothing wrong without actually explaining why. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.http://www.smbxgame.com/forums/m ... file&u=188 |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.lol |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.How is this guy still a judge despite having not reviewed in forever and after all the weirdness that resulted after the SVLC? |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.You don't have to post levels if you have a problem with the judges we picked reviewing them. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.
1.- I never said i was specifically having problems with the level judges. In fact, the closest i got to that was the first sentence in my post. Which, funny enough, was the only part you didn't quote from me. 2.- You actually somehow managed to respond to my post with the exact format that i was complaining about. 3.- If i wanted to post a level i'd do it with the intention of showing it to people, not to recieve a review from the glorious pink username masterrace. Your response actually made the level judges seem like superiors, which is what people are having problems with. 4.- Good job at ignoring literally every other response after mine btw |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges."The Level Judges are good and staying because WE picked them."
"No I'm not going to respond to any of your concerns." Level Judges are objectively bad and you can't even defend them without invoking status and personal preference. RUN THE POLL |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.i was and would still be a good lj if i had a laptop, would totally be lj again especially if u would aeromatter
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.The main problem I have with the LJs is that hardly any of them do anything with their position besides moderate the subforums they have power over, as someone stated in the thread earlier. The newly promoted LJs will review levels for maybe a month tops after they're promoted, then they just stop reviewing completely because they're either "busy" or they simply don't have enough motivation, and in that case, they should either change their usergroup to RUs if they can't do their job to the fullest potential but they'll be able to come back to it, or just resign completely if they know they won't have time for a long while to do their job. Most of the time, when these LJs claim that they're too busy to review, they're still posting elsewhere on the forum, or moderating the Levels forum. Business shouldn't be an excuse for a lack of motivation.
Believe me, I get that LJs are promoted for being highly competent in their reviews. But if they aren't going to do their job, then they shouldn't have the position in the first place. It doesn't help that this has been an ongoing thing for the majority of the time that I've been a part of this forum, which is over 2 years, so I can understand why people are upset about this. It'd be different if this was only a recent issue, but this has been going on for many months. It just so happened that it built up for so long that someone decided to speak up. I would say I'd be in favor of an overhaul of the LJ group, but I doubt that'll help considering how literally every single person that's promoted to LJ does the same thing. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.See, now we're talking. In my opinion, i'd say it's better to just rename the level judge group to level moderators. This is so we get rid the arbitrary part of the position while we still have people who can moderate the levels forum (moving threads, locking, etc.). And go with some demotions along with this change, as it might be overkill to have like 10 level moderators. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.I've been going hard against the whole concept of Level Judges, so naturally I wouldn't be interested lol (not like I would be accepted if I wanted to anyway after this thread). Reviews gotta be opened to everyone and the invisible badge has to be thrown away. This has been a problem since after the first forum died, much much longer than many months. An overhaul would work because it gets rid of the problem of LJs losing motivation, and slacking off because the system won't depend on the will of 8 users but instead the rest of the community. Think about it. What sense does it make to limit the pace of an entire forum to a handful of users that are no different than the rest of the community? If we treated the Levels forum like any other forum for discussion with the appearance of the Art forum, a lot of activity and engagement can be gained while simultaneously getting rid of the matrix of inefficiencies involved with the current system. There's a lot that I could go into, but given the pathological resistance to improvement, I'd only be wasting my time. Like I'm pretty sure Valtteri or whoever has already decided what's going to happen and is just waiting for this thread to die. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.This is it! That's how to keep a discussion going! However, there is one question that is still a mystery. I consider myself a good reviewer, and when I started reviewing three/four years ago a lot of level judges and regular users alike held me in high regard as one of the most diligent reviewers in the community. My reviewing style has still not changed (aside from merging graphics and music) and I enjoy reviewing levels. However, when I sent in an application to Valtteri back in March or something, why did I get turned down despite there being more people supportive of my reviews than against it? I'm pretty sure you get it if your reviews are good and you can devote time to reviewing. And yeah, I was reviewing levels non-stop - one review a day, I was doing! |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.
Arbitrary quantity of judges > Reviews getting done Just goes to show how weak the "we choose competent reviewers" argument Valtteri is pushing is. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.Nice! I can pinpoint the problems: 1.-Valtteri didn't recieve your application because you weren't friends with him  2.-I'm sure that your work will still be appreciated regardless of the level judge group's existance or not, i'd even go as far as to say it'll be more appreciated if the group didn't exist, as it'd prove you're doing the reviews because you want to, and not just to get a pink username. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.Haha, he actually received it! I was conversing with him in the IRC once about how my application was doing before he turned me down. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.Do you have perfect english?
I remember when Zlaker first applied and was denied bc of his english. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.Linik lives in UK, so it SHOULD be at least decent...
I don't have anything to say about this. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.See this is what I was waiting for. I would totally be down for this type of change and I agree it would be a little overkill for 10 but maybe around 4-5 cause it does get the average mess but moderating the levels forum was 80% of what I did when I was LJ back in 2014 and I know everyone saw the kind of job I did and Im not boasting myself but I did fo a pretty good job considering what there was to moderate, I believe I helped delete spambot topics and .etc stuff from such forums cause that was around that time when this place was geting bombed with those spam ots posting shovel dog and various other things. This could also work for me right now as is since I would be able to pop in and moderate the area and move whatever levels have been reviewed, I assume by regular users as well, to their proper area and .etc while using my mobile like I am right now sinces its all I have until I can get a job. I would really consider this idea and thinking of a way to make it work out because it sounds like it could actually work if it could be balanced out. Just make sure the people as LM would be based on moderation skill that they did as an LJ over reviewing as reviewing could still be a thing they could do and it could still maybe account to only needing one or two reviews from an LM to verify that levels placement? Whereas 3 or 4 regular user reviews that are unbiased toward the level and are actually decent. |
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Re: I'd like to say something about the state of the Level Judges.Question that needs to be answered: Why do we have people make one thread per level instead of one thread for all of their levels, and why do we have these fragmented threads moved into different forums to die in?
I think Level Moderators would help with the arbitrary matters as Nien said, but it still doesn't solve the activity part and discussion part. Would it not be better to just make the levels forum just like the Casual subforum, but with this organization instead? I keep referring to the Art board because that's the system there; you can't make a new thread for each drawing or comic you make, you make one thread as a home for all of it. It keeps a discussion flowing instead of split up among dozens of threads, and makes it much easier to keep track of comments and critique. |
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