Comedy as a whole within the forums

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:32 pm

I just watched Nostalgia Critic and I decided to show you guys this video. This isn't to defend myself in my bad taste of jokes but rather hoping to push the forums forward. I know that the main problem with the forum with these kind of things is that the majority is a bunch of 10-13 year old children and a bunch of autists basically dominating this place. But I want to show you guys this video in hopes that we can discuss it and the problems our community has with such things. I want you guys to actually watch this video and have a healthy discussion about it. I don't want this topic locked unless there is some kind of hateful discussion within this topic. These are my rules, and I just want you guys to at least comply with me on this. Of course though you can just lock this right away but that wouldn't be professional, now would it?

This is the video anyways

aero · Postby **aero** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:00 pm

Good video.

I don't think Doug analyzed the full situation about some of the topics he discussed (i.e. Seinfeld not performing at campuses) and that's what kind of makes the video irrelevant to these forums. He says they find him too offensive, and what happens to speakers at colleges is that they protest and try to shut people down as a way of being "progressive." What we have on this forum is children who don't know how to interact and deal with opinions they don't like, not necessarily fighting for any cause in particular. I do like though that he talked about Carlin, since his bits about words you can't say and people who get offended are among his best. In fact I used the bit to argue on here at one point.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:55 am

Interesting video. We have, more or less, 3 groups of people on this forum: those that are too young and get offended when they shouldn't, those that are too immature to realize that the jokes they're making aren't funny and have no place here, and those that aren't in either of those groups.

For example, opening up this thread with "the majority is a bunch of 10-13 year old children and a bunch of autists basically dominating this place" doesn't help anybody and only perpetuates an unrealistic view of this community. Sure, we have a fair amount of young kids here and I'm sure some of our members may have forms of Autism, but they don't "dominate" this place. These people mainly make up the first group, and, while they have things they can improve upon, they aren't the main problem.

The main problem is the second group - those who, essentially, make really poor choices when it comes to humor. To make a long story short, if the only things you can joke about are genocides/races/mental disabilities, then you're not funny and your sense of humor is really juvenile.

Vinyl Scratch wrote:Of course though you can just lock this right away but that wouldn't be professional, now would it?

You're not in any position to be suggesting that the staff (those who'd be locking the topic, if it came to that) listen to you and that if they don't then they're "unprofessional". This way of ending your post will do nothing but give us more reason to not take you seriously.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:42 pm

Seriously ask yourself: Is the place more than 50% Kids and Autists that are either too immature or cannot take a joke. What kind of jokes would you even consider to "belong" in here? Because if you're quality jokes is an ad asking if your girlfriend is a horse you're sense of humour is honestly that of a 10-13 year old as well. No offensive, but that kind of joke seems to be pandering to all the kids here, because it's childish humor, and that's all it is. (I don't mean to bring that up again but it's honestly a perfect example). I mean sure, you can just say that it shouldn't bother you that much and that you should ignore it, but you can say the exact same thing to the apparent offensive jokes. Humor is a touchy subject, yes, but you shouldn't say 1 thing to a person and say it can't apply to you back.

By the way, you saying I have no authority over my thread in which I'm just trying to have a compromise is kinda fucked up to be honest. It doesn't matter if the ending seems like I'm not being serious, this subforum is meant to have a serious tone in it all around.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:51 pm

There's a difference between being offended by a joke and thinking the joke is tasteless and unfunny. I don't ever get offended by your or anyone else's jokes here. I just think that sometimes they're tasteless and unfunny.

I'm kind of baffled by the backlash to the horse ad. It's a silly joke that isn't offensive to anyone. There's no problem with that.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:57 pm

I could care less about the horse ad because I just ignore it. It's just a good example is all. To me that joke itself is only tasty to children. But to me as a 17 year old, about to be 18 year old teenager, it's tasteless and unfunny. Do you kinda see what I'm trying to get at here?

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:58 pm

Think what you will about how funny it is, but it's definitely in no way the same type of tasteless as jokes about genocide, racism, and anti-semitism.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:02 pm

Its not the same yes, but they still follow the same rules and aspects. Plus why would you want to get someone in trouble for something that isn't even bothering anyone or bothering the minority anyways? It's like jaywalking in a basically empty street, sure you can get them in trouble, but no one is going to get hurt nor is anyone going to care if they do jaywalk

Zeldamaster12 · Postby **Zeldamaster12** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:07 pm

There's a difference between joking and being downright offensive, joking or not. Personally I'm not one to take offense to something that I know isn't serious. But not all people are like this, so I suggest you watch what you say.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:10 pm

If that's the case then wouldn't it go back to what the main problem is, which would be that people tend to get overly offended over something that no one should care about

aero · Postby **aero** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:43 pm

Joey wrote:Think what you will about how funny it is, but it's definitely in no way the same type of tasteless as jokes about genocide, racism, and anti-semitism.

Are all jokes about genocide, racism, and antisemitism tasteless? They can take people down a peg, or hurt them and I think the latter is quickly assumed to be the case than the former. For instance people say that mocking Jews by saying "Oy vey, shut it down", "Remember the 6 billion", and using the words "goy" and "goyim" are antisemitic right then and there and are only meant to hurt, but the context is what counts for the joke which determines if it's keeping people in check or hurting them. It would be wrong for someone going on a rant calling them kikes and trying to hurt them, and it would be right if it's part of someone's joke who thinks no group is exempt from mockery and is poking fun at the absurdities of said group.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:38 pm

Vinyl Scratch wrote:If that's the case then wouldn't it go back to what the main problem is, which would be that people tend to get overly offended over something that no one should care about

Are there any specific examples of this you'd like to bring up?

You guys have to realize that what you say to others can offend them more than you think. People definitely overreact sometimes, sure, but that doesn't mean the other side shouldn't loosen up a bit.

AeroMatter wrote:"Oy vey, shut it down", "Remember the 6 billion", and using the words "goy" and "goyim"

I have never seen any situation on these forums where using these words is acceptable.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:25 pm

It mainly happens on irc but this is a decent example http://www.smbxgame.com/forums/v ... 48&t=11221
A better one though would be when I was banned for a short time on IRC because MyNameIsEric thought I was talking to him when I was just joking with Rudeguy.
We're in no way saying they're not allowed to not be offended though. We're saying that they should just ignore it if it's in their bad taste. Just like every other joke in existence.

aero · Postby **aero** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:41 pm

Joey wrote:
AeroMatter wrote:"Oy vey, shut it down", "Remember the 6 billion", and using the words "goy" and "goyim"
I have never seen any situation on these forums where using these words is acceptable.

Wasn't meant to refer to any situations on this forum, it's just to address the generalization of what jokes are tasteless.

Vinyl Scratch wrote:We're in no way saying they're not allowed to not be offended though. We're saying that they should just ignore it if it's in their bad taste. Just like every other joke in existence.

Tbch I think if you don't /ignore on IRC or report on the forums, that person should be banned right then and there. I've said before this community needs to practice self moderation and this is one of many ways to do it.

JupiHornet · Postby **JupiHornet** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:11 pm

This video.

Warning: Strong Language

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:29 pm

AeroMatter wrote:
Vinyl Scratch wrote:We're in no way saying they're not allowed to not be offended though. We're saying that they should just ignore it if it's in their bad taste. Just like every other joke in existence.
Tbch I think if you don't /ignore on IRC or report on the forums, that person should be banned right then and there. I've said before this community needs to practice self moderation and this is one of many ways to do it.

That's really counterproductive to how communities are supposed to operate. We're not here to ignore eachother.

People at both ends of the spectrum (those who make terrible jokes, those who get too offended) need to change their ways.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:42 pm

No one can be friends with everyone. People are going to hate each other all the time. That's how life is. Ignoring the others you hate is better than starting a shitstorm over such things.

aero · Postby **aero** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:02 pm

Turtwig wrote:This video.

Warning: Strong Language

Adds nothing new to the conversation.

Joey wrote: That's really counterproductive to how communities are supposed to operate. We're not here to ignore eachother.

People at both ends of the spectrum (those who make terrible jokes, those who get too offended) need to change their ways.

Your answers to community problems are always for people to see it your way and then change their ways. This attitude is shared by a lot of people on here that will bicker and talk past you to the point where discussion is worthless and it's better to ignore them. Self-moderation cuts out these pointless discussions (even if you can call them discussions sometimes) and if they're generally unpopular because of the way they act they will be largely ignored and leave, and won't really be missed. Nobody who goes over the line goes unpunished, but the problem remains of people getting too offended without any obligations except to the "offender" and not the one who responds and causes commotion about just how upset they are.

See the SMBXxer and Panda thing for a prime example of why it's important to ignore people like this who escalate, and they're the one that needs to be dealt with. You could say that the community instigated the situation and kept pushing it, but again at each point where that happened is where they could have not responded and stopped the problem without any silly global announcements and apology threads.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:32 pm

AeroMatter wrote:Your answers to community problems are always for people to see it your way and then change their ways.

So that people stop making tasteless anti-Semitic and genocide-centric jokes? Yeah, that's how it's gonna work.

AeroMatter wrote:See the SMBXxer and Panda thing for a prime example of why it's important to ignore people like this who escalate, and they're the one that needs to be dealt with. You could say that the community instigated the situation and kept pushing it, but again at each point where that happened is where they could have not responded and stopped the problem without any silly global announcements and apology threads.

Oh, believe me, I know that this community has a problem with dragging things on way longer than they need to go and not letting things die. That doesn't change the fact that people who make bad jokes and people who get too offended are both in the wrong.

Vinyl Scratch · Postby **Vinyl Scratch** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:12 pm

Why do you always have to give off a tone that's like "This is my place, and it's going to be run my way how I want it. You can suggest things but it's really just a ruse and we're not going to really take it unless it goes by what I want"
by the by no one made any genocide jokes except me mostly, and even then, i wasn't joking, i strongly believe that the world would be better without people