Mafia Discussion

[underFlo]

Ragequitting is against the rules.

We're going to try this system because it's what we should've (and probably would've, had I specified) done in the first place. If something goes wrong then we can reconsider.

"we're doing this because i forgot to say this about 4 months ago and i suddenly feel like enforcing this rule"

This is literally the worst rule i've seen in the mafia forum, it'll just clutter up the mafia discussion thread, and it'll confuse future hosts because they might think the people who wanted to sub in for the previous mafia game will be able to sub in for the current mafia game.

There's /no/ valid reason to place this rule, "we should've done this because we should've" is not a valid reason.

Would uprep if I could

I mean I don't even know where you got the "players don't check games they don't participate in", I'd sure do.

[Julia Pseudo]

^
Same for me, and I especially would if I was looking to be a sub.

[Shadow Yoshi]

The player/host announcing it in the thread is fine, too.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is to request subs as you need them. If you want to PM a random user and ask if they want to be a sub, no problem - I'm just trying to get rid of the unnecessary "sub signups" part of the signup thread.

[underFlo]

The player/host announcing it in the thread is fine, too.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is to request subs as you need them. If you want to PM a random user and ask if they want to be a sub, no problem - I'm just trying to get rid of the unnecessary "sub signups" part of the signup thread.

Unnecessary =/= bad

Especially if the "solution" wouldn't solve the problem and had its own share of problems.

[Danny]

I don't like this new system because it would render sign-up threads virtually useless in the first place. It's called a sign-up thread for a reason, it's there for people to sign-up for the current game. If they wanted to sign-up for the game as a sub I'm sure they would check out the game itself, and it would only make sense to sign-up as a sub in the sign-up thread for the current game. Besides, limiting it all to one thread could start confusion if nobody creates a barrier between each game, which as been stated before would unnecessarily bloat the thread anyway.

The system we had in place before caused no previous problems to suddenly have a change on how things have been done for the past many games now. Also I'd like to ask why this has suddenly become of your concern considering you normally don't participate in Mafia and it has sort of been our own little thing. The only two times you have changed things are in the games you have participated in so far, and at least that I can remember. First was in M14 when you put an end to safety voting, and now in M16 when you put an end to sub sign-ups in the appropriate sign-up threads. How about you just leave us to how we've been playing the game for a while now and if you want to participate leave it to the Gamemasters on what needs changing? Both Gamemasters, and everyone else, has been fine with how the game has been run for a long while now, I don't know why you need to be the one to suddenly just change everything on a whim because I can tell right now that you obviously did not discuss this with the Gamemasters.

I don't really like this new way of how sub sign-ups will be because it makes no sense as to why we had to change it from the original way.

The player/host announcing it in the thread is fine, too.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is to request subs as you need them. If you want to PM a random user and ask if they want to be a sub, no problem - I'm just trying to get rid of the unnecessary "sub signups" part of the signup thread.

The reason for the sub sign-ups part of the sign-up thread is if there is somebody that was late to sign up they can sign up as a substitute player in case one of the current players goes inactive enough to be replaced by somebody that was willing to play in the first place.

[MistakesWereMade]

The player/host announcing it in the thread is fine, too.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is to request subs as you need them. If you want to PM a random user and ask if they want to be a sub, no problem - I'm just trying to get rid of the unnecessary "sub signups" part of the signup thread.

i mean, i'd rather have people already signed up for subs on the thread, instead of going "guys this guy is being inactive can you sub in for him" and then wait an indefinite ammount of time to get a response.

The sub signup part of the signup thread might be unecessary, but it provides organization and comfort, which is always nice.

I'm not sure why you bluntly implement these kinds of rules without asking the main game masters first (see pseudo dino's reaction).

[qig]

The player/host announcing it in the thread is fine, too.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is to request subs as you need them. If you want to PM a random user and ask if they want to be a sub, no problem - I'm just trying to get rid of the unnecessary "sub signups" part of the signup thread.

except having the sub signups part of the thread isn't unnecessary. multiple games have utilized the current method for finding subs and guess what? it works perfectly. having the host PM random users or having potential subs post in completely unrelated threads is an inefficient and sloppy way to go about it. there is no reason to fix something that isn't broken. change for changes sake is not a good thing.

[Shadow Yoshi]

Like I said - if we see any problems with this system, we can change it.

[MistakesWereMade]

Like I said - if we see any problems with this system, we can change it.

or we can just not change it instead of just changing it because you suddenly feel like it

[qig]

Like I said - if we see any problems with this system, we can change it.

so ur going to completely ignore what everyones saying

aaa+ administration.

[Danny]

Like I said - if we see any problems with this system, we can change it.

I mean, the way the system has worked before has, as been stated before if you bothered to read it, been efficient and better than what you proposed. What should have happened is to not have a change instead of "I'll implement this and if we see any problems with it we can change it". It seems there are problems with it right now, so you might as well change it back to the way it has been done since M3.

[underFlo]

So far you've got no arguments against the old way besides "Some people might not check the game thread", which is unexcusable if you wanna sub in. Aside from that, it only has its share of new problems. As I said, unnecessary =/= bad.

Also, just going "We'll just do it and see what happens" is generally a bad approach to things.

[Zeldamaster12]

I prefer the old system. 8bit and Nien pretty much summed up why. All the host has to do is change the player signups thread name to sub signups; not that hard and it's less clutter than doing it here.

Also, you should really discuss these changes with your GMs before implementing the changes. It's pretty obvious that Pseudo wasn't in favor of it (as well as everyone else who has posted on the matter). As 8bit said, you rarely participate in Mafia, but when you do, you create some random rule (see: no more safety lynches), and you don't even discuss it with your fellow GMs. The GMs were promoted for a reason, so you should let them do what they do best.

[Shadow Yoshi]

We never allowed safety lynches. People just did them and I jumped on it as soon as I saw it happen.

It should go without saying that I pay more attention to the Mafia forum by default when I'm in a Mafia game. I can't look at this forum as much as the Game Masters can, but that doesn't at all mean I don't function as one.

For what it's worth, I've seen this system work before. The sub signup process may work too, sure, but sub signups/open signup threads after a game has started are something I'd like to avoid.

For the third or fourth time now, if it doesn't work we can get rid of it. But it's more concise and flowing if we deal with sub needs as they happen rather than having an arbitrary signup process that doesn't need to exist.

"Deal with sub needs as they happen" doesn't mean everything has to be posted in this thread. It just means we cross the bridge when we come to it.

[Mivixion]

I'm fine with any way here, I dont see why sub signups are such a big deal.

[underFlo]

We never allowed safety lynches. People just did them and I jumped on it as soon as I saw it happen.

It should go without saying that I pay more attention to the Mafia forum by default when I'm in a Mafia game. I can't look at this forum as much as the Game Masters can, but that doesn't at all mean I don't function as one.

For what it's worth, I've seen this system work before. The sub signup process may work too, sure, but sub signups/open signup threads after a game has started are something I'd like to avoid.

For the third or fourth time now, if it doesn't work we can get rid of it. But it's more concise and flowing if we deal with sub needs as they happen rather than having an arbitrary signup process that doesn't need to exist.

"Deal with sub needs as they happen" doesn't mean everything has to be posted in this thread. It just means we cross the bridge when we come to it.

Yes you're right adding one word to a thread and not locking it is a real issue. And I really think doing it as you suggest will make it less flowing, since the sub sign-ups would interrupr the Mafia discussion and vice versa. I mean what's your deal with that, what has it started and why didn't you talk with the GMs?

[qig]

We never allowed safety lynches. People just did them and I jumped on it as soon as I saw it happen.

It should go without saying that I pay more attention to the Mafia forum by default when I'm in a Mafia game. I can't look at this forum as much as the Game Masters can, but that doesn't at all mean I don't function as one.

For what it's worth, I've seen this system work before. The sub signup process may work too, sure, but sub signups/open signup threads after a game has started are something I'd like to avoid.

For the third or fourth time now, if it doesn't work we can get rid of it. But it's more concise and flowing if we deal with sub needs as they happen rather than having an arbitrary signup process that doesn't need to exist.

"Deal with sub needs as they happen" doesn't mean everything has to be posted in this thread. It just means we cross the bridge when we come to it.

You're a fucking idiot. We've already crossed the bridge. 16 mafia games have been successfully ran all utilizing the same system.

[Zeldamaster12]

This new system has more flaws than the one we've always used. About the safety lynching, it took you that long to figure out about us doing safety lynches? We were doing that way before M14. If you notice something that needs to be changed, then keep up with the Mafia subforum. If you're a GM, then act more like it.

Also, like I said, you really shouldn't do things like this on your own. Pseudo wouldn't want FallingSnow to make a big change on his own and vice-versa.

[underFlo]

We never allowed safety lynches. People just did them and I jumped on it as soon as I saw it happen.

It should go without saying that I pay more attention to the Mafia forum by default when I'm in a Mafia game. I can't look at this forum as much as the Game Masters can, but that doesn't at all mean I don't function as one.

For what it's worth, I've seen this system work before. The sub signup process may work too, sure, but sub signups/open signup threads after a game has started are something I'd like to avoid.

For the third or fourth time now, if it doesn't work we can get rid of it. But it's more concise and flowing if we deal with sub needs as they happen rather than having an arbitrary signup process that doesn't need to exist.

"Deal with sub needs as they happen" doesn't mean everything has to be posted in this thread. It just means we cross the bridge when we come to it.

You're a fucking idiot. We've already crossed the bridge. 16 mafia games have been successfully ran all utilizing the same system.

Wouldn't quite word it like that, but I have to agree. It's been 16 games, and aside from this oh-so-evil "trend" you didn't bother explaining ot worked like a charm.
The fact that you got qig to actually use correct spelling and grammar is also something.

[Shadow Yoshi]

And I really think doing it as you suggest will make it less flowing, since the sub sign-ups would interrupr the Mafia discussion

This thread is for discussion about Mafia. It's a general thread - asking/discussion substitution is perfectly fine. It's not like there's a constant flow of discussion in this thread anyway.

This new system has more flaws than the one we've always used.

The system hasn't even been used yet. It's best to reserve that kind of judgment for after something goes wrong.

About the safety lynching, it took you that long to figure out about us doing safety lynches? We were doing that way before M14.

M14 was the first Mafia game I had played since M4. I don't particularly have a desire to read through Mafia threads I have no involvement in (let alone the pages on which safety lynch votes were used) when I have the whole rest of this community to administrate.

If you notice something that needs to be changed, then keep up with the Mafia subforum. If you're a GM, then act more like it.

Come on, man, you're not really in a position to be talking down to me like that. I do a lot more work throughout the community than I do in the Mafia forum; I have the GMs here to do the work that needs to be done that I can't do (which is a lot of it, and they obviously do a great job).