Paris.

[Darkonius Mavakar]

Well i guess you're aware of what the shit is happening back there.

Basically 2 (or more, i can be wrong) are killing quite a lot of people, why?
Because of some satire.
YUP.

Discuss

[Chip Potato]

The "satire" was apparently really offensive to Muslims, and that's basically what prompted the shootings? I don't agree with violence being the answer to that, but I also don't think being purposefully offensive for laughs is angel material, either.

[aero]

Well i guess you're aware of what the shit is happening back there.

Basically 2 (or more, i can be wrong) are killing quite a lot of people, why?
Because of some satire.
YUP.

Discuss

The problem is fundamentalist Islam. Europeans shouldn't have to tolerate people who would kill 12 people yelling Allah Akbar and "The prophet has been avenged" nor even the silent "majority" who condemn the violence but think it's fair game. Bill Maher, has been arguing the point of radical Islam being a problem as well and a broken clock is right twice a day then with the statistics and today with the reality.

Bill goes over this with Sam Harris and Ben Affleck is pretty much the embodiment of why you can't call out the religion without you being called a bigot or Islamophobe:

We're at a point now where you have the #illridewithyou camp making Muslims out to be the real victims as supposed to the actual ones. This was done with the attack in Sydney, and now it's being tried again in France. Strangely though when the Taliban killed more than 130 children, it wasn't trending. Then you have the other camp with Germans claiming "Europe for Europeans" which is becoming a more and more reasonable movement in my opinion because of these attacks, along with high rates of Muslim immigration accompanied with high rates of crime in countries Muslim immigrants reside in, with Norwegian rape being the best example of this.

Watch the shooting, which is obviously NSFW, and truly ask if you want the religion of these animals that makes this violence acceptable to be popular in Europe:

I don't agree with violence being the answer to that, but I also don't think being purposefully offensive for laughs is angel material, either.

Freedom of speech is more important than whether the speech is offensive or not, and especially more important when people have been attacking you for it. More centrist != more valid.

[Marina]

"[...]is pretty much the embodiment of why you can't call out the religion without you being called a bigot or Islamophobe"

Well but I mean that's exactly the point. It's not the religion. It's those people who abuse their religion as an excuse to commit these crimes. In Islam, one of the highest sins one can commit is murder. When it comes down to it, Islam is just another religion like Christianity, where the basic rules are to love one another, with a few minor differences. People that commit the crimes in the name of their god or their religion are the problem, but that's because they misinterpret their religion or in most cases aren't even educated about it at all. It's not like Islam is the only religion to have those. So really, while it can't be denied that there are many criminals who use Islam as an excuse to commit their crimes, it's just a small portion of all Muslims. And by calling out the religion you basically offend all Muslims, when most of them actually have to suffer from the bad reputation that terrorists and the likes have given their beliefs, so please don't generalize.

[aero]

"[...]is pretty much the embodiment of why you can't call out the religion without you being called a bigot or Islamophobe"

Well but I mean that's exactly the point. It's not the religion. It's those people who abuse their religion as an excuse to commit these crimes.

No. Islam dictates this response to mockery of their prophet and Islam.

In Islam, one of the highest sins one can commit is murder.

In Christianity it's a sin to kill people too, but that doesn't stop everyone from criticizing the entire religion because of Leviticus. Also, it's not a sin to kill infidels in Islam. Murder is perfectly acceptable for a religion that is spread through conquest. I'd also like you to tell that to anyone who has ever left the faith, who is still alive.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran ... olence.htm

When it comes down to it, Islam is just another religion like Christianity, where the basic rules are to love one another, with a few minor differences.

Really? That's an incredibly simplistic judgement of two major world religions with completely different foundational tenants.

People that commit the crimes in the name of their god or their religion are the problem, but that's because they misinterpret their religion or in most cases aren't even educated about it at all.

And when their religion calls for those crimes, it's reasonable to say the religion is a problem. Do you have some higher understanding of what Islam says and means that millions of others don't?

It's not like Islam is the only religion to have those.

It's the only religion where it's accepted and acts of terror are the most common. You could point out a few people from another religion who have done worse crimes than this but you won't find it in their scripture the instruction to do so, nor would you find a religion that is more commonly responsible for acts of terror in contemporary society.

So really, while it can't be denied that there are many criminals who use Islam as an excuse to commit their crimes, it's just a small portion of all Muslims.

It's this quote that shows you didn't read the rest of my post past the line you quoted.

And by calling out the religion you basically offend all Muslims, when most of them actually have to suffer from the bad reputation that terrorists and the likes have given their beliefs, so please don't generalize.

I really don't have any sympathy for those who subscribe to a belief system with as many bad ideas that Islam has. I give my sympathies only for the victims, even if they're Muslims themselves - and they often are - that are considered to be infidels by fundamentalists. It really doesn't bother me if they're offended or not because what's more offensive to me is the making of exceptions to freedom of speech, the rape, torture, mutilation, and killing of hundreds to thousands of innocent men, women, and children, and the destruction of western cultures by violence.

[Marina]

So having an uneducated opinion makes you guilty of supporting terrorists. Oh boy, well then I don't even wanna hear these numbers on Christians.

[TangledLion]

So having an uneducated opinion makes you guilty of supporting terrorists. Oh boy, well then I don't even wanna hear these numbers on Christians.

He never accused you of supporting them, he was simply arranging his arguments in a clear and concise matter-of-fact manner.

The sad fact is that, while there ARE indeed peace-loving Muslims, they unfortunately are not in charge.

[TangledLion]

Not sure if this Should be merged with the Paris thread, but I think this is the way to go with it, so read and discuss:
http://www.youngcons.com/hacker-group-a ... jihadists/

I'm glad SOMEBODY(Even If it's Anonymous) is actually taking action! Seems all Obama and the leaders of the good ol' US of A Can do is take out Bin laden, and there was already some forward momentum in the right direction BEFORE he came into office...

[FallingSnow]

Seems all Obama and the leaders of the good ol' US of A Can do is take out Bin laden

Except that it's not entirely our job or our problem to handle the drama in the Middle East, and we've already been criticized for doing what we have. This is also not something we can take care of alone. It needs to be a world effort, but due to the differing opinions of the world, the line between what is right and what is wrong is blurred.

Hint: Declaring war on an indefinite enemy isn't usually the best idea.

[Marina]

So having an uneducated opinion makes you guilty of supporting terrorists. Oh boy, well then I don't even wanna hear these numbers on Christians.

He never accused you of supporting them, he was simply arranging his arguments in a clear and concise matter-of-fact manner.

The sad fact is that, while there ARE indeed peace-loving Muslims, they unfortunately are not in charge. :|

I wasn't talking about myself. I was talking about the 6 million something Muslims that the video talked about, who were counted as radical Muslims for just not knowing better. While it's true that they would/could in some way support terrorists because of what they believe, but they can't be held accountable for it since they, like the video even said, in some cases "just don't know", but the video depicted them in a bad way anyways.

[underFlo]

Imo I wouldn't always pin the blame on the Islam. There is a difference between Muslimism and Islamism, and sadly, lots of people don't see that. That's kinda like blaming the Holocaust on Christianity (I know it's not really like it, but afaik the Nazis did use some religious "reasoning"). There are also lots of more cases where people did things like that bc of "Christian ideals". In Germany lots of Muslims showed ssupport to the victims, and the Muslim ppl that aren't radical do the right thing by distancing themselves from these Islamists.

[aero]

Imo I wouldn't always pin the blame on the Islam. There is a difference between Muslimism and Islamism, and sadly, lots of people don't see that. That's kinda like blaming the Holocaust on Christianity (I know it's not really like it, but afaik the Nazis did use some religious "reasoning"). There are also lots of more cases where people did things like that bc of "Christian ideals". In Germany lots of Muslims showed ssupport to the victims, and the Muslim ppl that aren't radical do the right thing by distancing themselves from these Islamists.

Honestly, what the fuck are you talking about?

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Anonymous is going after jihad against jihad: http://anonhq.com/paris-terror-attack-a ... -websites/

Credit where credit is due for them. +1

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The religion of peace has just struck again with an arson attack in Germany related to the Paris massacre. Hopefully this adds more fuel to PEGIDA's fire.