fix the captcha

sleepy · Postby **sleepy** » Sat May 09, 2015 12:22 pm

A new user came into the IRC today asking about the captcha question.

seriously make the question a little easier

[12:14:27] <Toady> Hey guys, Im trying to register for the website and when trying to answer the question "Name one of the developers of Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U", I entered "Masahiro Sakurai", and it didn't accept it. Then I just tried "Sakurai", and it didn't accept that either. Tried things like "Bill Trinen", "Satoru Iwata", and none of them were accepted, and now I'm banned from trying to register for a little bit.
[12:14:40] <Toady> For the smbx forums, that is
[12:14:41] <sleepy> one minute
[12:14:44] <sleepy> let me find the answer
[12:15:02] <Funda_> google
[12:15:13] <Toady> No, my point is Im not wrong
[12:15:17] <sleepy> damnit joey deleted the thread
[12:15:18] <Toady> Theres a bug with the registration
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[12:15:28] <Funda_> no theres no
[12:15:32] <sleepy> Toady: try one of the publishers
[12:15:45] <RudeGuy> I remember when I registered here
[12:15:51] <Funda_> BANDAI NAMCO Studios Inc.
[12:15:56] <RudeGuy> nah jk i dont remember it
[12:15:57] <Toady> Alright
[12:16:36] <Dragon96> Is Nien Online here?
[12:16:46] <RudeGuy> no
[12:16:47] <sleepy> not atm
[12:16:50] <RudeGuy> and who r u
[12:16:53] <sleepy> i'm sure he will be later
[12:16:55] <Dragon96> Dragonfan
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[12:17:08] <Toady> BANDAI NAMCO Studios Inc. didnt work
[12:17:12] <sleepy> wat
[12:17:30] <Toady> "You have provided an invalid answer to the question. You have exceeded the maximum number of registration attempts for this session. Please try again later."
[12:17:35] <RudeGuy> lol
[12:17:48] <Funda_> strange someone did that and it worked
[12:17:49] <sleepy> joey shouldnt make it such a hard question
[12:17:50] <sleepy> seriously
[12:18:06] <Funda_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smas ... _and_Wii_U
[12:18:11] <RudeGuy> toady use sora ltd
[12:18:20] <RudeGuy> it worked fo bertie the troll
[12:18:25] <Funda_> it should ask for the Publisher which is nintendo
[12:18:28] <Funda_> not for the developer
[12:18:32] <Funda_> bc thats not nintenod
[12:18:35] <Dragon96> What are trying to Accomplish?
[12:18:43] <Toady> Yeah but Im currently restricted from trying to register now soooo
[12:18:59] <RudeGuy> then wait and do shit
[12:19:01] <Dragon96> Refresh the page
[12:19:14] <zlakergirl357> Toady: try Sora Ltd.
[12:19:14] <Funda_> it's either Sora Ltd. or Bandai Namco Games
[12:19:27] <Funda_> altough the question itself is dumb
[12:19:30] <Funda_> there are 2 develops
[12:19:33] <zlakergirl357> ^
[12:19:36] <Funda_> and only 1 is accepted as right
[12:19:58] <Toady> So here's the deal
[12:20:06] <Toady> This time I did Sora Ltd.
[12:20:12] <Toady> and it didn't say it's incorrect
[12:20:17] <Funda_> wow
[12:20:20] <Toady> but it still says I cant register
[12:20:26] <Toady> so thats really really stupid
[12:20:30] <Toady> and should be fixed
[12:20:39] <Toady> "You have exceeded the maximum number of registration attempts for this session. Please try again later."
[12:21:08] <Toady> like whats the point. if youre going to have a question that doesnt accept the correct answer, dont give me that after 5 attempts

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Sat May 09, 2015 12:30 pm

It would be better to change the question to who is the publisher, which would be nintendo. Bc the question asks for the developer and there are 2 devs but only one is right.

Also why is BANDAI NAMCO Studios Inc. wrong if the last person who asked for the answer and did Bandai got it right.

Imaynotbehere4long · Postby **Imaynotbehere4long** » Sat May 09, 2015 12:46 pm

When I registered, the question was something like "What is the name of Mario's brother? (hint: he's green)." Why did that need to be changed? It apparently didn't help prevent bots from registering since we had that issue back in March...

Postby **Julia Pseudo** » Sat May 09, 2015 1:57 pm

^
Yeah, I agree with this, and I remember that question as well. It's something that anyone who would be legitimately registering on the forum couldn't possibly get wrong, while also being what I'd guess to be an effective CAPTCHA.

TLtimelord · Postby **TLtimelord** » Sat May 09, 2015 3:05 pm

sleepy wrote:A new user came into the IRC today asking about the captcha question.

seriously make the question a little easier

[12:14:27] <Toady> Hey guys, Im trying to register for the website and when trying to answer the question "Name one of the developers of Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U", I entered "Masahiro Sakurai", and it didn't accept it. Then I just tried "Sakurai", and it didn't accept that either. Tried things like "Bill Trinen", "Satoru Iwata", and none of them were accepted, and now I'm banned from trying to register for a little bit.
[12:14:40] <Toady> For the smbx forums, that is
[12:14:41] <sleepy> one minute
[12:14:44] <sleepy> let me find the answer
[12:15:02] <Funda_> google
[12:15:13] <Toady> No, my point is Im not wrong
[12:15:17] <sleepy> damnit joey deleted the thread
[12:15:18] <Toady> Theres a bug with the registration
[12:15:23] * Dragon96 (~webchat@cpe-76-189-54-120.neo.res.rr.com) has joined
[12:15:28] <Funda_> no theres no
[12:15:32] <sleepy> Toady: try one of the publishers
[12:15:45] <RudeGuy> I remember when I registered here
[12:15:51] <Funda_> BANDAI NAMCO Studios Inc.
[12:15:56] <RudeGuy> nah jk i dont remember it
[12:15:57] <Toady> Alright
[12:16:36] <Dragon96> Is Nien Online here?
[12:16:46] <RudeGuy> no
[12:16:47] <sleepy> not atm
[12:16:50] <RudeGuy> and who r u
[12:16:53] <sleepy> i'm sure he will be later
[12:16:55] <Dragon96> Dragonfan
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[12:16:57] <Dragon96> 96
[12:17:02] <Dragon96> <---
[12:17:08] <Toady> BANDAI NAMCO Studios Inc. didnt work
[12:17:12] <sleepy> wat
[12:17:30] <Toady> "You have provided an invalid answer to the question. You have exceeded the maximum number of registration attempts for this session. Please try again later."
[12:17:35] <RudeGuy> lol
[12:17:48] <Funda_> strange someone did that and it worked
[12:17:49] <sleepy> joey shouldnt make it such a hard question
[12:17:50] <sleepy> seriously
[12:18:06] <Funda_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smas ... _and_Wii_U
[12:18:11] <RudeGuy> toady use sora ltd
[12:18:20] <RudeGuy> it worked fo bertie the troll
[12:18:25] <Funda_> it should ask for the Publisher which is nintendo
[12:18:28] <Funda_> not for the developer
[12:18:32] <Funda_> bc thats not nintenod
[12:18:35] <Dragon96> What are trying to Accomplish?
[12:18:43] <Toady> Yeah but Im currently restricted from trying to register now soooo
[12:18:59] <RudeGuy> then wait and do shit
[12:19:01] <Dragon96> Refresh the page
[12:19:14] <zlakergirl357> Toady: try Sora Ltd.
[12:19:14] <Funda_> it's either Sora Ltd. or Bandai Namco Games
[12:19:27] <Funda_> altough the question itself is dumb
[12:19:30] <Funda_> there are 2 develops
[12:19:33] <zlakergirl357> ^
[12:19:36] <Funda_> and only 1 is accepted as right
[12:19:58] <Toady> So here's the deal
[12:20:06] <Toady> This time I did Sora Ltd.
[12:20:12] <Toady> and it didn't say it's incorrect
[12:20:17] <Funda_> wow
[12:20:20] <Toady> but it still says I cant register
[12:20:26] <Toady> so thats really really stupid
[12:20:30] <Toady> and should be fixed
[12:20:39] <Toady> "You have exceeded the maximum number of registration attempts for this session. Please try again later."
[12:21:08] <Toady> like whats the point. if youre going to have a question that doesnt accept the correct answer, dont give me that after 5 attempts

Do you think it would have been more appropriate to PM Joey this log instead of publicly in what looks like an attempt to make a fool out of Joey?

sleepy · Postby **sleepy** » Sat May 09, 2015 5:06 pm

I wasn't trying to make a fool out of Joey. I was just saying it needs to be fixed.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat May 09, 2015 5:12 pm

TNTtimelord wrote:Do you think it would have been more appropriate to PM Joey this log instead of publicly in what looks like an attempt to make a fool out of Joey?

The problem with this is that Joey probably would not have responded, and there are multiple staff that can communicate on the issue instead of having JUST JOEY do everything.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:02 pm

The only problem with the captcha is that it doesn't accept individual people (Sakurai) as answers - then again, you can google "smash bros wii u developers" and the answers are right on the first result.

I'll think about adding Sakurai to the list of answers.

And 8bit, you really need to stop with the "Joey doesn't respond to PMs thing".

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:06 pm

Joey wrote:And 8bit, you really need to stop with the "Joey doesn't respond to PMs thing".

I've sent you plenty of PMs in the past about concerns and suggestions and you never responded.

So it leads me to believe either you don't respond to PMs, or you don't respond to my PMs, and if that's the case, it leads me to believe even further that you really don't care for me at all.

Postby **Julia Pseudo** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:11 pm

Joey wrote:I'll think about adding Sakurai to the list of answers.

This seems like a really good idea to me.

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:16 pm

If you adding Sakurai you should add the seco d dev team also. So far it only accepts Bandai but not Sora.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._4

Postby **Electra** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:18 pm

Adding Nintendo to the list sounds like an even better idea to me.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:22 pm

Nintendo is too easy!!!

Postby **Electra** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:29 pm

Captchas are well known for their high difficulty.

HenryRichard · Postby **HenryRichard** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:08 pm

Is "Who made SMBX and Terraria" too easy? I think that would be a very good captcha.

underFlo · Postby **underFlo** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:33 pm

Joey wrote:Nintendo is too easy!!!

Aren't captchas only made to keep away spambots? The questions shouldn't require such strict answers, since you'd also have to keep in mind variations like "Sora Ltd.", "Masahiro Sakurai", "Sora", and I could also see someone answering "Namco-Bandai" since god knows how often they changed their name. In general I feel like a captcha shouldn't require a Google search for so many. After all, this is an SMBX forum, and I can see especially younger users not being too familiar with Smash' development.

Mable · Postby **Mable** » Sat May 09, 2015 7:55 pm

We should just make it this "Who is the blue running shoe dude. Hint: he's blue."

lighthouse64 · Postby **lighthouse64** » Sat May 09, 2015 11:40 pm

Or maybe you could make the captcha like addition. Or maybe just make fancy letters. Or something like that: |1gth0u$364

mechamind · Postby **mechamind** » Sun May 10, 2015 1:05 am

Really, the best Captcha is one that any human who doesn't know better can still work with, while a computer could never figure it out. That's all there is to it.

Magician · Postby **Magician** » Sun May 10, 2015 2:34 am

Well, it doesn't accept "Sora Ltd" without a period, for example. The system was created to intuit that a person is using it. Also, people seasoned enough by forum captchas to expect to have a simple answer expected of them WILL type "sakurai" or the like, probably pretty often.

Joey wrote:The only problem with the captcha is that it doesn't accept individual people (Sakurai) as answers - then again, you can google "smash bros wii u developers" and the answers are right on the first result.

I'll think about adding Sakurai to the list of answers.

Regardless, it's a problem that it doesn't accept correct answers. Even if I were to go into semantics, "developer" can and does refer to individual people, requiring you to narrow down what you want further (you could include that as like "Hint: Use company names and not a specific person.") or add all of the correct answers.