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I'll let this topic be general, but I've been looking into language a lot recently, mental illnesses, and both. I'm actually kind of interested in how it works because of how deeply rooted language - both verbal and bodily - is in life's functions. I mentioned in the living with autism thread (at least I think I remember mentioning it) Louis Theroux's documentary on autism, and there's this one part that's just oddly interesting to me. It's when they're showing this speech training type of class where they're practicing a conversation and forming a script for it. It starts off fine with "What's up," and then the kid just screams. It's at 0:50 in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHRE_hrUkzU. It's obviously not a normal thing, and the kid gets that too when he recognizes that was wrong and says "cut" which makes me wonder if that's a self control matter or if there's biological prompts in response to conversations. With schizophrenia, language is also affected in some cases. In this HBO documentary Bob is diagnosed with acute schizophrenia and it causes him to jumble up completely random words when he speaks. The thing that gets me though, is that when he speaks, he does so with body language that anyone else would give off when talking. It's like if you muted the conversation, it would appear like he's having a typical discussion whereas Missy's eyes dart around and didn't seem to know where to put her hand when she was initially being questioned about her condition. It makes me want to go into the speech therapy field of study just because of how little is understood about the mental illnesses I mention here so far, but also with various others. I have no experience with any discipline on mental illness or speech, but it's something I'm seriously considering when I get to college.

Also some questions I'd like to pose:

1. Do you/someone you know/have family that has schizophrenia?

2. What's your experience in life with schizophrenia, or experience through study with it?

I'm starting to notice some very strange vibes coming from your skewed worldviews and I'd like to question why you keep bringing up various mental disorders that people in this community may or may not have and political debates.

I'm not going to say anything for the time being on schizophrenia, unless this thread does get more posts in it. The only thing I'm curious about is why you dismiss ADHD as a real mental disorder and have said yourself autism is a disease that needs to be purged. Now we're talking about schizophrenia. Joy.

GhostHawk wrote:I have no experience with any discipline on mental illness or speech

Ain't that obvious.

but it's something I'm seriously considering when I get to college.

brb dying

Let me repeat myself by saying that you dismissed ADHD as a real mental disorder and you said autism was a disease that needs to be purged. Now you want to supposedly enter a field/learn about mental illness and/or speech in college? Hmm, this is quite interesting.

Your views on ADHD/autism are really messed up as it is and therefor I don't want to engage in a conversation with someone who thinks one is non-existent and the other should be purged.
I have a friend with schizophrenia,we've only seen him have it bad once at a party.His is mild.

Schizophrenia is more-so a group of mental disorders than one disorder on its own. Not everyone has the same issues, and not everyone is going to have trouble speaking because of it.

The only experience with schizophrenia is through my psychology studies but interviews with people with schizophrenia is really uncomfortable to watch. There was one video by InternetAristocrat regarding "headmates" (tumblr's glorified and trendy version of schizo.) where he showed clips and the conversations feel disjointed and are jumbled. I don't know why people think it's cool to take a scary disorder which literally can fuck up people's lives and pass it off as "my headmates are Sherlock and Jesus and Goku but the 9th Doctor mostly fronts " because you may as well just go to a schizophrenia support group and shout "fuck you".

Embroidery by a person with schizophrenia. This feels pretty haunting in my opinion.

What interests me is how in identical twins the concordance rate for schizophrenia is nearly 50% but in non-identical twins is 15% (I think). So genetics aren't completely to blame, but environmental, neurological (such as too much dopamine) and social factors are too.

It's sad for schizophrenic people really — people with schizophrenia are likely to have other disorders like depression and anxiety and usually become druggies or alcoholics, have a lower life expectancy and have a higher suicide rate.

People that think headmates are remotely real they need a punch in the mouth or actually need psychological help.

Intellectual-Panda wrote:The only experience with schizophrenia is through my psychology studies but interviews with people with schizophrenia is really uncomfortable to watch. There was one video by InternetAristocrat regarding "headmates" (tumblr's glorified and trendy version of schizo.) where he showed clips and the conversations feel disjointed and are jumbled. I don't know why people think it's cool to take a scary disorder which literally can fuck up people's lives and pass it off as "my headmates are Sherlock and Jesus and Goku but the 9th Doctor mostly fronts " because you may as well just go to a schizophrenia support group and shout "fuck you".

That's the exact video I watched when he showed the documentary I mentioned in the OP, lol. How much has your psychology study covered schizophrenia exactly?

Intellectual-Panda wrote:It's sad for schizophrenic people really — people with schizophrenia are likely to have other disorders like depression and anxiety and usually become druggies or alcoholics, have a lower life expectancy and have a higher suicide rate.

Yes, this is one of the more dehumanizing aspects of it. I'd say it's more transcendent than average depression, because sometimes there are cases were the person is not capable of experiencing any form of joy or other emotions except anger but as you said the high suicide rate is caused by this since the anger is commonly directed inward after some time.

Intellectual-Panda wrote:People that think headmates are remotely real they need a punch in the mouth or actually need psychological help.

I really wouldn't give these people the light of day even when insulting them. All they want is that attention so they can be their own little oppressed minority and dictate to everyone that they're different and how you're supposed to talk to them based on some misplaced authority.

Palisade wrote:Your views on ADHD/autism are really messed up as it is and therefor I don't want to engage in a conversation with someone who thinks one is non-existent and the other should be purged.

I'll just waste my time again by mentioning that I've said before autistic people should be respected as human beings, but autism itself is what I said isn't a good thing and shouldn't continue. As for ADHD I can't take it seriously when symptoms disappear with age and there's a huge amount of diagnoses on subjective grounds.

8bitmushroom wrote:I'm starting to notice some very strange vibes coming from your skewed worldviews and I'd like to question why you keep bringing up various mental disorders that people in this community may or may not have and political debates.

These are things that interest me to be honest. It's not so much the entire mental disorders themselves because obviously some aspects are horrifying and depressing such as in Bob's case with thinking he's been sick for a year when he's actually been sick for 17 years. That said though, I'm not particularly interested in the community's mental health as a topic of interest but just experience with it and just posing questions to get a discussion going.

8bitmushroom wrote:I'm not going to say anything for the time being on schizophrenia, unless this thread does get more posts in it. The only thing I'm curious about is why you dismiss ADHD as a real mental disorder and have said yourself autism is a disease that needs to be purged. Now we're talking about schizophrenia. Joy.

For ADHD I explained before that I find it hard to believe because of the subjective terms used to diagnose it, how symptoms resemble normal behavior, and how children are rapidly increasing in diagnoses at very young ages. I'm really baffled to be honest that saying autism isn't a good thing and needs to go away is so controversial and touchy with everyone. What doesn't surprise me though is the selective memory of everyone going after me with this, while ignoring that I've treated everyone with respect who has autism who deserved it and saying flat out that autistic people should be treated with that respect. I really tried to be fair in that thread, but I just can't until the opposing side stops perpetuating the notion I'm out to get autistic people. That's not what I've said, and does not reflect my relationship with autistic people in the slightest. I really find some of what was said in that thread offensive, but I don't have the right to not be offended.

8bitmushroom wrote:

GhostHawk wrote:I have no experience with any discipline on mental illness or speech

Ain't that obvious.

Ok? I really wanted this thread to be a discussion about it rather than an argument with myself on the defense.

8bitmushroom wrote:

but it's something I'm seriously considering when I get to college.

brb dying

Let me repeat myself by saying that you dismissed ADHD as a real mental disorder and you said autism was a disease that needs to be purged. Now you want to supposedly enter a field/learn about mental illness and/or speech in college? Hmm, this is quite interesting.

Wouldn't that be something you would WANT me to do? See the error in my ways and what not and see if I'm wrong about some things and learn, you know, the point of school? lol

FallingSnow wrote:Schizophrenia is more-so a group of mental disorders than one disorder on its own. Not everyone has the same issues, and not everyone is going to have trouble speaking because of it.

Yeah, it is a commonality though. In the documentary Missy and Steven to an extent were able to form coherent sentences most of the time while Bob had a more immense case with speaking problems.

GhostHawk wrote:

Intellectual-Panda wrote:The only experience with schizophrenia is through my psychology studies but interviews with people with schizophrenia is really uncomfortable to watch. There was one video by InternetAristocrat regarding "headmates" (tumblr's glorified and trendy version of schizo.) where he showed clips and the conversations feel disjointed and are jumbled. I don't know why people think it's cool to take a scary disorder which literally can fuck up people's lives and pass it off as "my headmates are Sherlock and Jesus and Goku but the 9th Doctor mostly fronts " because you may as well just go to a schizophrenia support group and shout "fuck you".

That's the exact video I watched when he showed the documentary I mentioned in the OP, lol. How much has your psychology study covered schizophrenia exactly?

We've studied it when determining what "abormality" is and how it's perceived and how certain disorders appear in people biologically, psychologically and behaviourally, including how definitions change in different cultures. For example, in some cultures (eg: Native American, Korean, Siberian..) shamans are believed to be able to enter and interact with the spirit world and have dreams or visions which are seen as communication from the spirit world. They also have spirit guides who they hear talk to them and tell them what to do, however in western cultures hearing voices and seeing things is symptoms of schizophrenia.
I just find that really interesting lol.

GhostHawk wrote:I'll just waste my time again by mentioning that I've said before autistic people should be respected as human beings, but autism itself is what I said isn't a good thing and shouldn't continue. As for ADHD I can't take it seriously when symptoms disappear with age and there's a huge amount of diagnoses on subjective grounds.

Saying autism shouldn't continue is one thing but the way you word it seems as if that is changeable and it isn't. Unless you consider . . .purging.The only thing I can conclude from that slightly ambiguous statement.
as for ADHD disappearing with age,there are a couple of possible reasons for that. One could be because as we mature we change,or cope with situations better.
For example,I've found better ways of dealing with my aspergers.
The hyper part fading could have something to do with maturity,but I don't know for sure.

"I'll just waste my time again"

As opposed to going into excessive detail in your posts about things nobody on a Super Mario forum quite frankly give a flying fuck about
i Might be unfair here, I don't know.But if I wanted to go full monty on debating Schizophrenia or how wacky and evil muslims are then I'd go to somewhere like reddit and not a forum about the Mario.
every now and then I see you try and start an intellectual debate and the result is just 8bitmushroom going off his face on fucking eccies

Intellectual-Panda wrote: We've studied it when determining what "abormality" is and how it's perceived and how certain disorders appear in people biologically, psychologically and behaviourally, including how definitions change in different cultures. For example, in some cultures (eg: Native American, Korean, Siberian..) shamans are believed to be able to enter and interact with the spirit world and have dreams or visions which are seen as communication from the spirit world. They also have spirit guides who they hear talk to them and tell them what to do, however in western cultures hearing voices and seeing things is symptoms of schizophrenia.
I just find that really interesting lol.

That is pretty interesting to be honest. I'd like to say though that in western cultures schizophrenia has been said to be spiritual too but more as a negative thing brought on by demons and what not, so that's another thing to think about with the attitudes in the west and east as well.

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Palisade wrote:words

Look you can think what you want, but I'm not interested in arguing. I just to discuss schizophrenia and here what people have to say about it.

Intellectual-Panda wrote:For example, in some cultures (eg: Native American, Korean, Siberian..) shamans are believed to be able to enter and interact with the spirit world and have dreams or visions which are seen as communication from the spirit world. They also have spirit guides who they hear talk to them and tell them what to do, however in western cultures hearing voices and seeing things is symptoms of schizophrenia.

For one I didn't really think Korean fit that shamanic culture. I can understand Japanese and Chinese, but not Korean as much.

Also with the whole "western cultures hearing voices and seeing things is symptoms of schizophrenia" as opposed to shamanic culture, it really has to do with beliefs and possibly religion. I can understand shamanic culture as being one's beliefs and not schizophrenia, but if it's erratic and insane and not really explainable, I can classify that as schizophrenia because they aren't really normal patterns whereas the shamanic culture "symptoms" may be their beliefs, since they don't seem as erratic and insane and can be explained.

Another thing recently I read (can't find source, I believe it was huffingtonpost) was that past memories are carried through our DNA, so what I can sort of believe is any schizophrenic behavior could be the result of an ancestor that was in any war or was tortured or any past trauma that may have happened, because a study here at the University of Massachusetts conducted that war veterans, mostly the Vietnam ones we still have here, develop schizophrenic behavior and hear voices, but it's classified as going senile. As much as it seems like a ridiculous thought or theory or whatever, I think it's a little more understandable if those born with schizophrenia adopt some form of memories from ancestors, regardless of what happened to them.

However, strangely, and I'll bring this up for discussion, during some of my manic fits as result of bi-polar disorder I have had schizophrenic behavior in them, and it lingers a couple of hours after the fit. I haven't been diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the other person I know that has bi-polar disorder doesn't have these sort of symptoms, my therapist hasn't given it any thought in relation to schizophrenia, but the fact that only I have experienced those symptoms is interesting.

GhostHawk wrote:words

The way you put it, you said autism needs to be purged, when saying purge, that directly goes towards eliminating, and in translation, "eliminate the autistic".

Palisade wrote:But if I wanted to go full monty on debating Schizophrenia or how wacky and evil muslims are then I'd go to somewhere like reddit and not a forum about the Mario.
every now and then I see you try and start an intellectual debate and the result is just 8bitmushroom going off his face on fucking eccies

Also not trying to be a wank but that sounds strikingly similar to something Knux would say. Just throwing it out there.

Palisade wrote: how wacky and evil muslims are

Great work insulting the muslims and me rn. You just shoot yourself in the foot.

CaptainSyrup wrote:

Palisade wrote: how wacky and evil muslims are

Great work insulting the muslims and me rn. You just shoot yourself in the foot.

Was quoting GhostHawk. See the other thread.
I have nothing against Islam.

Stay on topic please. Go to the religion thread to discuss Islam.

8bitmushroom wrote:However, strangely, and I'll bring this up for discussion, during some of my manic fits as result of bi-polar disorder I have had schizophrenic behavior in them, and it lingers a couple of hours after the fit. I haven't been diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the other person I know that has bi-polar disorder doesn't have these sort of symptoms, my therapist hasn't given it any thought in relation to schizophrenia, but the fact that only I have experienced those symptoms is interesting.

Similarly, sometimes people may go through depression, but not have a depressive disorder. For example, a loved one dies and a person develops depressive behaviours and symptoms, but they don't actually have depression. Perhaps it's something along those lines with your bi-polar? During episodes of psychotic mania bi-polar people can hear voices and have grandiose delusions, which sounds similar to what you're describing.

8bitmushroom wrote:Another thing recently I read (can't find source, I believe it was huffingtonpost) was that past memories are carried through our DNA, so what I can sort of believe is any schizophrenic behavior could be the result of an ancestor that was in any war or was tortured or any past trauma that may have happened, because a study here at the University of Massachusetts conducted that war veterans, mostly the Vietnam ones we still have here, develop schizophrenic behavior and hear voices, but it's classified as going senile. As much as it seems like a ridiculous thought or theory or whatever, I think it's a little more understandable if those born with schizophrenia adopt some form of memories from ancestors, regardless of what happened to them.

PTSD acts a lot like schizophrenia with all the images sounds and smells which are similar to schizophrenic hallucinations. But yeah, since schizophrenia is linked to genetics it's likely that children born with those who have it could pass it on.

8bitmushroom wrote: The way you put it, you said autism needs to be purged, when saying purge, that directly goes towards eliminating, and in translation, "eliminate the autistic".

No it means eliminate autism, I know it sounds weird.


With your silly logic that's like saying " eliminate cancer " is saying " eliminate cancer patients ".

Think harder before you try to make someone look bad.

Uh, maybe I should have reiterated, but I was never trying to look GhostHawk look bad.

8bitmushroom wrote:However, strangely, and I'll bring this up for discussion, during some of my manic fits as result of bi-polar disorder I have had schizophrenic behavior in them, and it lingers a couple of hours after the fit. I haven't been diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the other person I know that has bi-polar disorder doesn't have these sort of symptoms, my therapist hasn't given it any thought in relation to schizophrenia, but the fact that only I have experienced those symptoms is interesting.

If I may ask, how often do you experience the symptoms since you only specified it's when you're experiencing manic episodes?

I only experience the symptoms when I experience manic episodes.

How often do I experience manic episodes? They're really random and unexpected. So no comment on that.

This sure took off!

Palisade wrote:This sure took off!

This topic would have been a little bit more productive and not filled with as much arguing if we didn't start out this topic by focusing on Ghosthawk's past statements that are completely irrelevant to this topic at hand.