We need change.

[Danny]

And I suppose you've forgotten entirely about m4sterbr0s due to his absence? What do you have to say about him?

Also just because that particular staff member has been ONLINE recently doesn't mean they've done anything. And don't forget we don't actually know what's going on behind the scenes in terms of activity or not, so if those staff members aren't making posts up front, they're pretty much inactive for us.

[Zeldamaster12]

Yeah Quill is more active than Kley, but that still doesn't mean he's active. I understand Valtteri's situation, and yeah, he's here once every couple weeks or so, but he still doesn't fulfill the duties of admin at this current moment. m4sterbr0s never does anything, and he makes a post about what, every 3 months or longer? I don't even see why he's still admin.

[Palisade]

Calling your user base kids is a really poor way of going around things. It's just going to anger people more.
From what I've observed, the staff team have a tendency to deal with situations in the worst way possible or at least in a way that is totally unnecessary and could be dealt with easier.

Should we go with your style of moderation instead, Knux?

I'm confused. I'm Palisade not a sonic the hedgehog character
And great job dismissing my point entirely

[FallingSnow]

If Quill is active, why has he not commented in the thread questioning his (and the forum's) staffing?
Just putting that one out there.

[aero]

If Quill is active, why has he not commented in the thread questioning his (and the forum's) staffing?
Just putting that one out there.

He has commented in the community poll topic:

http://www.supermariobrosx.org/forums/v ... 10#p114256

And I suppose you've forgotten entirely about m4sterbr0s due to his absence? What do you have to say about him?

I actually did forget lol. You have a point there.

[Zeldamaster12]

You are not authorised to read this forum.

FUUUUUUUU-

[MistakesWereMade]

If Quill is active, why has he not commented in the thread questioning his (and the forum's) staffing?
Just putting that one out there.

He has commented in the community poll topic:

http://www.supermariobrosx.org/forums/v ... 10#p114256

And I suppose you've forgotten entirely about m4sterbr0s due to his absence? What do you have to say about him?

I actually did forget lol. You have a point there.

all quill said in that thread was something like "I'm still active, dont know why you guys think im inactive" (cant actually quote the original post since i'm unauthorized to view that post for some reason), and that was like a month ago.

snow's point is that he hasn't posted in /this/ thread yet.

[Danny]

And I suppose you've forgotten entirely about m4sterbr0s due to his absence? What do you have to say about him?

I actually did forget lol. You have a point there.

Here is where I will question the validity of the administration team.

If Quill is active, why has he not commented in the thread questioning his (and the forum's) staffing?
Just putting that one out there.

He has commented in the community poll topic:

http://www.supermariobrosx.org/forums/v ... 10#p114256

I think you should maybe read over what you just replied to because what you just said wasn't relevant at all.

Apparently we were told not to turn this thread into a "who should be demoted/replaced" thread but seeing as the administration team is in all honesty utter shit right now I think it's high time we discuss that as it is entirely relevant in this thread. The only two administrators that need replacing as soon as we can get people able to do that (or if you guys can actually find people to trust that would be spectacular) are Quill and m4sterbr0s. While inactive moderators aren't all that great, they're the least of our worries. Things need to really be done on this forum and to do those things we need active administrators, of which we only have one currently which is Joey. I respect fully Valtteri's inactivity due to his mandatory military service, but what are Quill and m4sterbr0s' excuses for being inactive? All I can really say is they need replacing so things actually get done around here. I'd be glad to volunteer in suggesting what needs to be done around the forums to the staff but what I have suggested so far has either gone unnoticed or has been ignored entirely.

[DarkMatt]

Wow. So much hatred going on in this thread.

Why? Why the need for so much slandering? What gives you the reason to do this sort of crap?

[JupiHornet]

Wow. So much hatred going on in this thread.

Why? Why the need for so much slandering? What gives you the reason to do this sort of crap?

I must say that I agree here, you guys seem to be hating on Kley even though he's been demoted, and also this guy that is supposedly Knux?

I mean, yes, the staff could still use a bit of a makeover, but still :/

[aero]

You are not authorised to read this forum.

FUUUUUUUU-

This happened to me too for some reason. It's in the Community Poll topic and he said "Can people stop saying that I'm never on? I check the forums every day and I'm on the IRC every day too. Just because I don't always post doesn't mean I'm inactive. :/"

Apparently we were told not to turn this thread into a "who should be demoted/replaced" thread but seeing as the administration team is in all honesty utter shit right now I think it's high time we discuss that as it is entirely relevant in this thread.

This will get the thread locked. That discussion isn't on the table at all and any further changes to the staff - if any - will be made independent from this thread.

but what are Quill and m4sterbr0s' excuses for being inactive?

They're both in college, as is Kley.

All I can really say is they need replacing so things actually get done around here. I'd be glad to volunteer in suggesting what needs to be done around the forums to the staff but what I have suggested so far has either gone unnoticed or has been ignored entirely.

You can make suggestions, but not all of them are automatically going to be taken into consideration. This has been discussed before with other users.

[DarkMatt]

Oh you know what let me go on to further explain why I think not the community, but just the people who would take offense to the phrase, "You're acting like a child in this thread," are not helping in any way, shape, or form. All that's happening here is an attempt to make people angry at people you're envious of instead of working with others to make anything productive. This is the reason why we generally keep our decisions out of your hands. If you don't like it, grow up and show us we can trust you. We are never going to add staff just because you think either you or someone else is better than us. That is not for you to decide. We do not let any random person take control of anything in this forum, and we will never let you have your way because you whine about it loud enough. If anything, you run a very real risk of getting banned for being so hateful towards what you're trying to "improve". It's not a matter of the staff pushing the community around. It's you trying to wield the community as a sword against us to decide how we run things, when it's ours to begin with, and ours to decide.

I will not tolerate people who cannot understand this, and I will start banning people if they can't respect the staff, even if they're not up to their standards. I am not open to discussion about this. Grow up, or get out. If you can't hold any respect for this community, then you have no right to act like you know anything about it.

Kley didn't have to be demoted. The fact that this is still going even after that fact just shows me what you're demanding isn't going to satisfy you. I suggest you stop being pushy and start being someone we can trust in to act in this community's best interests, otherwise I will have to stay here and prune the community of weeds, and you do not want to be a weed in my eyes. Did I mention I'm in college? I left because I thought we had set this community in the right direction. This is proof that that hasn't happen, and now I have to cut time out of my life to get it back on track. I hope you're happy.

[aero]

I will not tolerate people who cannot understand this, and I will start banning people if they can't respect the staff, even if they're not up to their standards. I am not open to discussion about this. Grow up, or get out. If you can't hold any respect for this community, then you have no right to act like you know anything about it.

I just want to highlight on this and say that this doesn't mean you will be banned for politely disagreeing with the way the staff runs things. Just wanted to say that before this point is brought up.

[DarkMatt]

I expect people to understand the difference between politely disagreeing and complaining. The key point is to understand what we have to put up with and respect that, not just slap us in the face and complain.

[reghrhre]

Wow. So much hatred going on in this thread.

Why? Why the need for so much slandering? What gives you the reason to do this sort of crap?

Simply because the community sucks and the userbase wants that to change. There was a time when the community was mostly sunshines and rainbows and everybody got along and there was little to no drama. All of that is gone now and the users want to live in that type of place again but little to nothing is being done about it.

Why? Maybe because, y'know, there's serious distrust and lack of cooperation between the staff and users (mostly the staff though, unfortunately), the staff don't open up their mindsets beyond their boundaries so if they don't agree with us then we're practically, instantly, wrong, and they won't bother, and many other things. It's been like this for months now and we're sick of it and we're especially sick of how almost nothings changed or gotten slightly better which is why we're all angry, negative, and bitchy nowadays. The users can't really do much because we have no power which is why we rely on the staff, but if they're not doing shit then who will? How can you, the staff, not see that?

[Zeldamaster12]

Obviously there's something wrong if you have this many people complaining about the same thing.

Oh but that point isn't going to change anything.

[DarkMatt]

Simply because the community sucks and the userbase wants that to change. There was a time when the community was mostly sunshines and rainbows and everybody got along and there was little to no drama.

Not to sound rude, but we can trace this to a point of origin. Like, not a scapegoat, but the person who threw the first rock. You never want to be the person who starts the fight, because then primary responsibility rests with you. And you better be damn well prepared to accept it, otherwise, well, this happens.

I think some users of our community has not yet understood how we operate, or refused to accept the way we do things still and still try to do things like this thread. Which, you know, last I checked, this has been explained to the masses, so either people have been living under a rock, or they just plugged their ears and go "LALALACANTHEARYOU". Yet, yet, yet again, we are not like Knux's forum. We operate with trusted staff members that we know we can trust. We usually make sure they're acting in your best interests before we give them freemason status, but people have to accept that our best interests might get good ideas from the community but it's not steered by them. We thank you for all the cool stuff you do, (Mafia) but it's not up to you to decide how we go about the process. If you have a problem with the status quo, you're going to have to set the example instead of complain about it. Taking the quick easy way is just going to make it bad for everyone else and especially worse for you.

Besides, what is the reason why people feel like their ice cream got stolen? Because some disgruntled user said "I DON'T LIKE THE FLAVORS THEY'RE OFFERING" and someone went "I AGREE" and then he went "COME ON LET'S RALLY FOR CHANGE"? Come on, now, this doesn't get things done and people know this.

Obviously there's something wrong if you have this many people complaining about the same thing.

Oh but that point isn't going to change anything.

Show me a responsible admin who can prove he's got what it takes, and chances are we'll let him in. Here is where this is going to be difficult to you: can you understand just what we need from a moderator/administrator? We let Layla in and Layla did just fine. It's just that Layla did just fine because he's an adult, and adults have college. As I've mentioned before, it's really hard to find someone who can reach that baseline and have the time necessary to cater to this community. We're not that sort of people, unfortunately, so unless you want people with a lot of free time, like Knux, to run your community again, I suggest you start learning how to be responsible and set the bar yourself.

[Danny]

Oh you know what let me go on to further explain why I think not the community, but just the people who would take offense to the phrase, "You're acting like a child in this thread," are not helping in any way, shape, or form. All that's happening here is an attempt to make people angry at people you're envious of instead of working with others to make anything productive. This is the reason why we generally keep our decisions out of your hands. If you don't like it, grow up and show us we can trust you. We are never going to add staff just because you think either you or someone else is better than us. That is not for you to decide. We do not let any random person take control of anything in this forum, and we will never let you have your way because you whine about it loud enough. If anything, you run a very real risk of getting banned for being so hateful towards what you're trying to "improve". It's not a matter of the staff pushing the community around. It's you trying to wield the community as a sword against us to decide how we run things, when it's ours to begin with, and ours to decide.

what. Who took offense to the "you're acting like a child in this thread" phrase? As far as I'm aware nobody has so I'm not sure why you decided to spout that out.

I will not tolerate people who cannot understand this, and I will start banning people if they can't respect the staff, even if they're not up to their standards. I am not open to discussion about this. Grow up, or get out. If you can't hold any respect for this community, then you have no right to act like you know anything about it.

See above. Also it would be a lot easier to respect the staff if they actually did something we could respect them about and they weren't constantly bitter.

Kley didn't have to be demoted. The fact that this is still going even after that fact just shows me what you're demanding isn't going to satisfy you. I suggest you stop being pushy and start being someone we can trust in to act in this community's best interests, otherwise I will have to stay here and prune the community of weeds, and you do not want to be a weed in my eyes. Did I mention I'm in college? I left because I thought we had set this community in the right direction. This is proof that that hasn't happen, and now I have to cut time out of my life to get it back on track. I hope you're happy.

First off what makes you say Kley didn't have to be demoted? He did next to nothing as a moderator and was the most inactive out of all the staff members, why should he have kept his position? Second, if you're in college, you should work on college instead of devote your time to this community, because you could probably achieve much better things in real life than you could by helping the community, I could probably say the same to everyone else here. If you really do want to help the community out, figure out what is going on and what we're really complaining about instead of directly resulting to threats of punishing people just because we collectively agree that the current state of things isn't that great. Joey wants this community to move forward but so far hasn't really done anything about that.

I expect people to understand the difference between politely disagreeing and complaining. The key point is to understand what we have to put up with and respect that, not just slap us in the face and complain.

The thing is though that we aren't slapping you in the face, although we are complaining. Joey has promised to do things and move this community forward last year, and so far not a lot of things have changed that have been promised. I'm getting frustrated by all these things that are promised to be done and then over the course of the next 8 months, never happen.

I think some users of our community has not yet understood how we operate, or refused to accept the way we do things still and still try to do things like this thread. Which, you know, last I checked, this has been explained to the masses, so either people have been living under a rock, or they just plugged their ears and go "LALALACANTHEARYOU". Yet, yet, yet again, we are not like Knux's forum. We operate with trusted staff members that we know we can trust. We usually make sure they're acting in your best interests before we give them freemason status, but people have to accept that our best interests might get good ideas from the community but it's not steered by them. We thank you for all the cool stuff you do, (Mafia) but it's not up to you to decide how we go about the process. If you have a problem with the status quo, you're going to have to set the example instead of complain about it. Taking the quick easy way is just going to make it bad for everyone else and especially worse for you.

I'm starting to think you don't really know much about this subject. I'm pretty certain nobody wants to go back to the way Knux's forum was, I'm not even remotely certain why you brought that up. We don't want the staff to be like Knux's forum, we want it to be more active and reassuring, the only immediate staffing changes that I can really think of at this current time is a complete overhaul of the level judges and swapping Quill and m4sterbr0s out for new administrators, as the administrators have more power over anything else, we're more likely to get things done if they're on as opposed to them never being on.

Besides, what is the reason why people feel like their ice cream got stolen? Because some disgruntled user said "I DON'T LIKE THE FLAVORS THEY'RE OFFERING" and someone went "I AGREE" and then he went "COME ON LET'S RALLY FOR CHANGE"? Come on, now, this doesn't get things done and people know this.

what.

Show me a responsible admin who can prove he's got what it takes, and chances are we'll let him in. Here is where this is going to be difficult to you: can you understand just what we need from a moderator/administrator? We let Layla in and Layla did just fine. It's just that Layla did just fine because he's an adult, and adults have college. As I've mentioned before, it's really hard to find someone who can reach that baseline and have the time necessary to cater to this community. We're not that sort of people, unfortunately, so unless you want people with a lot of free time, like Knux, to run your community again, I suggest you start learning how to be responsible and set the bar yourself.

Firstly, even if we did find a "responsible admin who can prove he's got what it takes", it most probably will not meet up with your standards. Also I like how you had to put it out there that TNTtimelord is an "adult" and that he "did just fine because he's an adult" as if it means anything. And why do you have to keep referencing to Knux? Yeah, sure, he was active, but a lot of the users here are also active. Also, I'm not entirely sure what your beef with Knux is. While his forum was rather disorganized and not very mature, I'm not sure what more you expect from a Mario fanforum, the only difference between his forum and this one is that this one rules with an iron fist. While I don't particularly want to go back to the way things used to be run (ala Knux's forum), it wouldn't hurt to have staff that weren't so bitter towards people who complain about things that actually need to be done.

EDIT: And to quote reghrhre because I agree with this. and it bears repeating.

Why? Maybe because, y'know, there's serious distrust and lack of cooperation between the staff and users (mostly the staff though, unfortunately), the staff don't open up their mindsets beyond their boundaries so if they don't agree with us then we're practically, instantly, wrong, and they won't bother, and many other things. It's been like this for months now and we're sick of it and we're especially sick of how almost nothings changed or gotten slightly better which is why we're all angry, negative, and bitchy nowadays. The users can't really do much because we have no power which is why we rely on the staff, but if they're not doing shit then who will? How can you, the staff, not see that?

[qig]

Show me a responsible admin who can prove he's got what it takes, and chances are we'll let him in

ur the staff member.
find ur own fucking staff members lmao.

[aero]

Show me a responsible admin who can prove he's got what it takes, and chances are we'll let him in

ur the staff member.
find ur own fucking staff members lmao.

Another great post. Why are you here again?