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Before you go insulting and attacking me, I would just like to say first of all that I'm not taking sides right now. I agree the actions Knux did (deleting the forums) was overkill, but you honestly don't have to flame him to shit over a goddamn forum. Joey is too strict in my honest opinion.

People are tearing each other apart, and are arguing to high heaven because of a simple little merge. I have lost a shit ton of friends that I made back in 2013 because of this, I've honestly been cast out of the community because of my recent behavior. I have to apologize, but this has honestly been pissing me off to the point where I can't really contain my anger at all of you.

You spent precious money and time to create a new forums which was bound to cause problems from the beginning. The community has been perfectly fine for the past 3 to 4 years, and you guys have decided that a merge would "bring together" and "unite" the community, and I have to ask for what reason? If it's been fine for so long, what made you think a brand-spanking-new forums would be such a good thing?

People came to this community in the first place so they can share their levels and episode and graphics without much hassle, and what they got in return was a staff that can't communicate with not only each other, but the people of the community as well. They were showered with useless and petty arguing and bitching, people hating and flaming other people, and it has been getting ridiculous.

A new forums won't solve much, it actually has caused a lot of trouble. If you remember the problems with SMBX:R, you will find that there was a lot of arguments there, so if you actually learned from the past, merging the forums together isn't going to to much justice. The only way Joey's forums has received members from Knux's forums is because the members were driven away because Knux pulled a jackass move. I bet the only other way to get members over from Knux's to Joey's would be to force them by closing these forums.

You guys have made members leave the COMMUNITY because of your recent actions, does that not make you feel bad? If it wasn't for Knux's forums, I bet the SMBX community would have died quicker, I'm surprised it has lasted as long as it has.

I was really hoping 2014 could have been a happier year, but it seems like it's just going to get worse. And I'd just like to say that the forum leaders are the ones at fault. If they had never come up with the dumb idea of making a new forums, this would have never happened, and things would have been normal.

Good job Knux, you're killing your own forums. Good job, Joey, for gaining popularity on your forums. That is all.

What you fail to understand is that the community was dying.

Do you understand why there was so much "Chad Worship" and "reghrhre Worship"? Because the community was (and technically still is) stagnating. It was rotting itself to death. People worshipped the quality members we had because we weren't getting any more. The community was gaining virtually no new members of any particular contribution, and was not expanding "culturally" either. You may call moderation here tight, but moderation on Knux's forums was too lax. And I will be so bold as to say you were a prime example of that, being frequently seen flaming other users and generally being incredibly nonconstructive without consequence. We were trying to do something, but as usual Knux was so repulsed by the idea of change that he felt the need to shoot it down.


And no. People are not leaving because of us. No one said "I'm leaving because we're merging". People are leaving because of Knux, as I think the string of leaving threads on his forums makes clear.

Ignoritus wrote:What you fail to understand is that the community was dying.

Everyone has been saying the community was/is dying, but what you fail to realize is that practically 70 members where on SMBX:R at one point or another, how can you call that dying? If it dies, it dies, I see no real reason to revive the community in the first place.

Do you understand why there was so much "Chad Worship" and "reghrhre Worship"? Because the community was (and technically still is) stagnating. It was rotting itself to death. People worshipped the quality members we had because we weren't getting any more. The community was gaining virtually no new members of any particular contribution, and was not expanding "culturally" either.

A new forums honestly isn't going to fix that at all. You're trying to revive a community for a dead fan-game, trying getting more members, but I have to ask what new members you're expecting to get. You aren't going to find new people that will be insanely talented at making high quality episodes as much as you anticipate you will.

You may call moderation here tight, but moderation on Knux's forums was too lax. And I will be so bold as to say you were a prime example of that, being frequently seen flaming other users and generally being incredibly nonconstructive without consequence. We were trying to do something, but as usual Knux was so repulsed by the idea of change that he felt the need to shoot it down.

Moderation on both forums are equally shitty, so I really suggest balancing it out, not too lax and not too tight. I know I'm a prime example of such, as to why I'm a fairly hated member of the community, but if people are going to be rude and try not to make friends, I'm honestly going to return the favor.

Also, Joey did some things against Knux, if I remember correctly, so I can see a bit why he's against the change. And like I said, I have to ask why you think such a big change like this is going to do any good. A new forums isn't going to give you any higher chances of gaining new members at all.

And no. People are not leaving because of us. No one said "I'm leaving because we're merging". People are leaving because of Knux, as I think the string of leaving threads on his forums makes clear.

I never specifically said why they were leaving. I was speaking universally, to both everyone here, and on Knux's forums. All of the forum leaders and Joey got together to debate about a merge, albeit a bit rough, it manages itself for a few days, Knux goes apeshit, people leave his forums. The events that led up to him going apeshit and people leaving is almost everyone's faults.

8bitmushroom wrote: A new forums honestly isn't going to fix that at all. You're trying to revive a community for a dead fan-game, trying getting more members, but I have to ask what new members you're expecting to get. You aren't going to find new people that will be insanely talented at making high quality episodes as much as you anticipate you will.

The new forums were only the first step in our plan to revive the community. We figured it would be impossible to make any headway with the community so divided. However, we cannot reach the subsequent steps when someone feels the need to kill off our plan at the very first step.

8bitmushroom wrote: I never specifically said why they were leaving. I was speaking universally, to both everyone here, and on Knux's forums. All of the forum leaders and Joey got together to debate about a merge, albeit a bit rough, it manages itself for a few days, Knux goes apeshit, people leave his forums. The events that led up to him going apeshit and people leaving is almost everyone's faults.

Apologies, I presumed that "you all" was speaking to the administrators of this forum directly. However, I must still disagree with your statement. Nobody except Knux had any hostility in mind. Our actions may have lead to the drama indirectly, but that's like blaming the mother of a criminal for giving birth to them. Yes, her actions led to the crime. She is not, however, responsible, as it was her child's actions that directly turned an otherwise peaceful situation into a crime.

"A new forums honestly isn't going to fix that at all. You're trying to revive a community for a dead fan-game, trying getting more members, but I have to ask what new members you're expecting to get. You aren't going to find new people that will be insanely talented at making high quality episodes as much as you anticipate you will."
This is one of the few times I agree with Danny on this. I hate to say it, well more for you guys hearing this than me saying this, but I think that most of the really really nice and awesome and SMBX productive people have ALREADY came (and possibly left) here. "Hey talented people, use your talents and stay for 2 years for a dead-end level editor with a community that although outputting good stuff, has everybody at each others throats like a real life sitcom!" Who would think that's a good reason to come here? Sure, there are golden moments like the first month of SMBX:R, but the other 80 percent days are hardly worth the bother. Let me say this - who are you trying to attract, community visionarys? What's your goal? It's not like having the most members or the most peaceful forum would bring back SMBX - if Redigit makes Super X, it's probably not going to be because someone reported to him that the community that he doesn't really care much about anymore has kissed and made up.

NINJA'D BY NINJARITUS: again, what's the purpose of "reviving" the community when it's still the same old dead SMBX?

Ignoritus wrote:The new forums were only the first step in our plan to revive the community. We figured it would be impossible to make any headway with the community so divided. However, we cannot reach the subsequent steps when someone feels the need to kill off our plan at the very first step.

I honestly like how you guys are doing things in steps when you should just attempt it all at once, because your plans honestly take forever to execute.

Nobody except Knux had any hostility in mind. Our actions may have lead to the drama indirectly, but that's like blaming the mother of a criminal for giving birth to them. Yes, her actions led to the crime. She is not, however, responsible, as it was her child's actions that directly turned an otherwise peaceful situation into a crime.

Indirectly, though it still caused a problem. If you took a moment to look at why Knux disagreed, besides the fact that he doesn't like change, maybe you could have come to an agreement.

If a child becomes a criminal and the mother isn't responsible, you are just look at the base of the problem. If you delve deeper into it, you might find out why the child became a criminal, and who caused them to take that path in life. Was it a family member? Abusive father/mother? Everyone has a reason for doing something, like the child becoming a criminal, though most people don't look into it that far.

Again, although you guys caused it indirectly, you still caused a problem.

FanofSMBX wrote:NINJA'D BY NINJARITUS: again, what's the purpose of "reviving" the community when it's still the same old dead SMBX?

Exactly my point.

Words can not express how agitated and depressed I am from what this has done to not only me but my friends as well. It's unmanly to cry with anger but that's what I've practically been doing for the past hour or so now.

I left Knux's Forum because of Knux. He's causing many problems across the SMBX community. I never said that I was leaving because of the merge, but I just wanted to join Joey's Forum. Since Knux has caused many problems for me and the community itself, I decided to leave Knux's Forum permanently.

In that case, I knew how Joey was against Knux, then Knux fought back by deleting the forums in Joey's forum. He was demoted, and reghrhre was planning to ban him. From my point of view, it seems that Knux didn't run his forum very well, became afraid of Joey because he will get overpowered like Kyasarin does, and creates some false complaints about Joey. Into my thinking chair, however, I already knew that Knux became so aggressive at Joey, and when I heard of this, I was so afraid of him that I decided to leave Knux's forum and stay at Joey's forum, the Minecraft Forums, and more.

It was large disaster for me to stay at Knux's Forum because of the breeding grounds of sarcasm and swearing, and the anger of the founder forced me to leave his forum. Unfortunately, the community wasn't merged at all, so forum wars can sometimes still occur, not yet firewalled.

Ignoritus wrote:And no. People are not leaving because of us. No one said "I'm leaving because we're merging". People are leaving because of Knux, as I think the string of leaving threads on his forums makes clear.

Pretty much, and this has happened in the past albeit on a lower scale. Do you remember the founding of NSMBX? Some of the users were uncontent with the way Knux was leading so they went to another place. It's always been the case because of how Knux deals with problems. He prefers to silence members and do anything to ensure things are in his favor, even if he's actually hurting the community. Eventually, people will stop tolerating his actions.

This is actually the reason why Knux was excluded from the NSMBX-Cloud merge. He's lost all of his credibility in front of the community and I'm happy that his relevance in this community is waning as we speak.

The8bitmushroom wrote:Joey is too strict in my honest opinion.

What has he done? You're oh so defensive of Knux yet you make such ungrounded allegations that make you look hypocritical and whiny. I've seen you saying that Knux gets too many complaints from the users but that doesn't mean the users shouldn't take action when he does something utterly stupid.

As for Joey, what has he done? I haven't seen one instance of Joey abusing his power or being too strict. This forum is definitely stricter than Knux's, and if you find yourself unable to keep up with the simple rules of this forum then I advise you to leave and stop complaining.

Let's just stop discussing the merge.

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