Gay / Lesbian the same?

[aero]

Well there's not really much I can say to that when facts and proof aren't seen as relevant.

Sure they are. We're just also considering ideas and statements that aren't necessarily facts. With this said, sexualization of lesbians especially in music videos is considered hot by the media, but would the same apply for gay males?

Not particularly gay males, but males nonetheless. Take for instance the common theme of males relevant to the plot of a game being rather built in form.

The same thing was said in during the early feminist movement's in America. Look up Malala Yousafzai, and her impact simply by readingand going to school in spite of terrorist threats. It can, and should be done.

It's not that simple. Islamists have lived treating women as slaves and women have had limited rights because of factors such as religion. We're talking about something a lot more complex here, and I doubt feminists can fix the issue by themselves.

Perhaps not easy in the terms of action, but in the example I gave of Malala, it shows that some simple things can gather world attention.

[Raster]

Not particularly gay males, but males nonetheless. Take for instance the common theme of males relevant to the plot of a game being rather built in form.

Those games don't really cater to women though. Most of them are targeting the male demographic. Sexualization of women is specifically for males, however.

Perhaps not easy in the terms of action, but in the example I gave of Malala, it shows that some simple things can gather world attention.

Still, I think there needs to be something more than feminists to fight for women's rights in Islamist countries. We don't even know if those women are complacent of their position in society, or if they want to change.

[Marina]

Not particularly gay males, but males nonetheless. Take for instance the common theme of males relevant to the plot of a game being rather built in form.

Well, tough this MIGHT be an attempt by the gaming industry to get more females to play video games, I think it's just due to the fact that men want to identify with someone strong and big, rather than some thin, small guy who can barely lift a twig.

The same thing was said in during the early feminist movement's in America. Look up Malala Yousafzai, and her impact simply by readingand going to school in spite of terrorist threats. It can, and should be done.

It's not that simple. Islamists have lived treating women as slaves and women have had limited rights because of factors such as religion. We're talking about something a lot more complex here, and I doubt feminists can fix the issue by themselves.

Perhaps not easy in the terms of action, but in the example I gave of Malala, it shows that some simple things can gather world attention.

I actually agree with you on this one, feminists should fight more for women's rights in eastern countries. And I've heard of Malala before, and I really admire her strength and courage.



Edit: Also what I've noticed by now is, that most of these videos against feminism are again generalizing a group of people and say "all of them are misandrists" and fail to realize that the majority of this group actually isn't misandrisitc whatsoever and really just wants to achieve equality. I don't say they're always using the right methods to achieve this, but the core idea of feminism is still equality.

[aero]

Not particularly gay males, but males nonetheless. Take for instance the common theme of males relevant to the plot of a game being rather built in form.

Well, tough this MIGHT be an attempt by the gaming industry to get more females to play video games, I think it's just due to the fact that men want to identify with someone strong and big, rather than some thin, small guy who can barely lift a twig.

I've thought about it like this, and it does make sense in this light as well to me. However I think this brings up the topic of whether games should be made to cater to gamers (good luck defining who these people are) or if there's a responsibility on the developer's end to be more politically correct.

[Marina]

I've thought about it like this, and it does make sense in this light as well to me. However I think this brings up the topic of whether games should be made to cater to gamers (good luck defining who these people are) or if there's a responsibility on the developer's end to be more politically correct.

Well, I doubt that the game industry really cares if something is politically correct or not, EXCEPT if them being politically correct repells people from buying their games.

Also I admit that men are sexualized, but it's a fact that it's not to the extend women are. Go to the next store, stand in front of the shelf with the magazines and tell me how many half-naked women you see, compared to how many half-naked men you see.

[Marina]

Gay means a man likes a man. Lesbian means a woman likes a woman. Do both act similar in terms of feminism? Maybe, or maybe not. That's my view on this subject.

Way to bring us back on topic lol.

Also a little side note: while it is common that male homosexuals are referred to as gay and female homosexuals are referred to as lesbians, lesbians can also be described as "gay". Gay basically means homosexual, lesbian however only referrs to female homosexuals. Don't ask me why there's no term that specifically describes gay males lol.

[Jellybones]

Because 'gay' is specifically for homosexual males. It's just used to refer to both for no reason other than being casual. Besides, saying 'lesbian' all the time... it's such a long word. You could say 'lesbo' I guess, but it's a bit insulting. These days gay is a sort of empowering term.

Honestly, the last thing we need are new terms. There's so much unnecessary shit these days, like 'romantic pansexual'. Like, what? You like romanticism and personalities? Well, wow, gotta name it I guess. And mind you this is coming from someone who has a great level of respect for those in the transgender and LGBT community, at least those who aren't bat shit insane about it, or as you referred to it 'feminazis'.

[Magna]

Gay is an insult in this world.
Gay people are being hated in this world for being "damaged".

Lesbians make some of the best porn.
Lesbians sound like aliens from outer space, but nobody bothers to say it is wrong for two women to be together.




Also, I enjoy lesbian porn. I really do.

[Jellybones]

Gay is an insult in this world.
Gay people are being hated in this world for being "damaged".

While not untrue, that's very much changing. If you want an insulting word for gays, try "fag". Gay itself is not an insult anymore, not to the people who it's often directed at.

That and among younger people homosexuals are accepted as simply another peer more often now. The transgender community itself is also thriving, I believe. Then again it depends where you live. Here in California, we're all very liberal.

[Magna]

Gay is an insult in this world.
Gay people are being hated in this world for being "damaged".

While not untrue, that's very much changing. If you want an insulting word for gays, try "fag". Gay itself is not an insult anymore, not to the people who it's often directed at.

Unless you say it like HAAAAA GAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIII!

[Jellybones]

I can see that we're truly on the same intellectual level regarding this conversation

[Magna]

I can see that we're truly on the same intellectual level regarding this conversation

Haha.

No really, gays are abused even today. Especially by religious Christians. They absolutely hate gays...but they hate a lot of things so it may not be very relevant.

[Jellybones]

I can see that we're truly on the same intellectual level regarding this conversation

No really, gays are abused even today. Especially by religious Christians. They absolutely hate gays...but they hate a lot of things so it may not be very relevant.

That's better.

Of course, I'm not denying it. I'm just saying that society has a whole has made great strides to be more accepting. As for Christians, they are tough to really pinpoint- a lot of them are not actively against gays. It's a 'live and let live' sort of thing. Of course they usually disapprove though. As for relevancy they are relevant simply because the religion is so large.

EDIT: Of course, people like Westboro exist. But really, we shouldn't let them represent an entire ideology. There are always radicals in any belief or movement. Like the aforementioned Feminazis.

What really confounds me is gay people who are religious. It's neat and all, but I wonder just what the hell they think of their peers who likely disapprove, or moreover their God that potentially disapproves.

[Marina]

Gay is an insult in this world.
Gay people are being hated in this world for being "damaged".

While not untrue, that's very much changing. If you want an insulting word for gays, try "fag". Gay itself is not an insult anymore, not to the people who it's often directed at.

That and among younger people homosexuals are accepted as simply another peer more often now. The transgender community itself is also thriving, I believe. Then again it depends where you live. Here in California, we're all very liberal.

Well here where I live "gay" is like one of the most used word to describe something negative. Also stuff like "homo" and "fag" is used as an common insult. Really, "it gets better" is utter bullshit. It probably even gets worse.

[Jellybones]

What kind of community do you live in? Are you in High School?

For me the hate was largely prevalent during my younger years in High School, and all throughout Jr. High. It fades as you and your peers get older, and being in college anybody who IS hateful are the ones to be shunned. It's topsy turvy, basically.

Of course, it only fades. It doesn't go away.

[Marina]

Yeah, I'm in High School..

[Jellybones]

Everything is the worst in High School. I wish you luck, I hope the area you live in isn't so conservative that it doesn't ever really get better.

[Beyond]

They are different but at the same time they are not. It's weird, but they don't are technically equal. But if a person has prejudice with one, it should have with two, since sexual orientation is the same (just an example). Because if the person is indignant with two men kissing in public is hypocrisy if he does not feel the same indignation with two women. But, at all, I think the prejudice is a typical way that the person finds to try to feel superior to someone ("I'm superior because I'm not gay/black/lesbian/asian/etc.", it's just an example again), but it's stupid. I do not have any prejudice against, but the society thinks it's an abnormal practice. It's stupid too. I always see in my country, religious talking bad about gays by ignorance and lack of interpretation of the biblical facts. It's not right.

And yes, the word "gay" is treated as an offense today. It is ridiculous.

[aero]

Gay is an insult in this world.
Gay people are being hated in this world for being "damaged".

While not untrue, that's very much changing. If you want an insulting word for gays, try "fag". Gay itself is not an insult anymore, not to the people who it's often directed at.

That and among younger people homosexuals are accepted as simply another peer more often now. The transgender community itself is also thriving, I believe. Then again it depends where you live. Here in California, we're all very liberal.

Well here where I live "gay" is like one of the most used word to describe something negative. Also stuff like "homo" and "fag" is used as an common insult. Really, "it gets better" is utter bullshit. It probably even gets worse.

I'd like to mention that using the words "homo" and "fag" have pretty much lost all meaning to me. Like you said everybody uses it so much to mean bad that the words have just become generalized insults used by people trying to be mean rather than talk to you like a decent person. It's best not to let something as trivial as mindless insults bring you down, but that's just my opinion.

[montague]

I can see that we're truly on the same intellectual level regarding this conversation

Haha.

No really, gays are abused even today. Especially by religious Christians. They absolutely hate gays...but they hate a lot of things so it may not be very relevant.

Not all of them, but still quite a lot.

Some are totally accepting of everyone regardless of their orientation. AKA true christians.