We discuss "nice guys" and fedoras

[michel]

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well, do you still believe girls are only interested in "jerks"? nope nope, it seems the "nice guys" aren't nice, is all.
if you're actually nice, someone is surely to be interested in you. nobody will approach you if you think highly of yourself and put down those who have better luck with relationships, and you'll come off more like a jerk than a nice guy. also, wearing a fedora and a trenchcoat doesn't make you a gentleman.

what is your opinion on these people, and are they in the right or in the wrong? i personally think they're extremely superficial people

[sleepy]

i had a girlfriend

but she was the jerk

it was the exact opposite!

[michel]

woow did she break up with you or did you

[aero]

inb4 links to the Autism thread

I generally don't like "nice guys" because they're usually tools, or arrogant because they think they're supreme gentlemen. Same thing with fedora tippers, since usually they go together almost all the time.

[Raster]

well, do you still believe girls are only interested in "jerks"? nope nope, it seems the "nice guys" aren't nice

Doesn't answer the first question. I'm not going to be using Facebook as reference because I don't think that's how life works. Girls generally like jerks more because "they take care of themselves more", while nice guys are:

A) Like the one in the image above, or
B) Antisocial and/or not confident.

In case A, I think it's entirely the nice guy's fault. Discussions are only interesting if both persons are fascinated by the subject, so he should give in and find topics that interest the person he's talking to. In case B, the nice guy should try and get more confident. It's no easy task, but being antisocial has a lot of disadvantages that may spark problems, especially later.

[michel]

inb4 links to the Autism thread

I generally don't like "nice guys" because they're usually tools, or arrogant because they think they're supreme gentlemen. Same thing with fedora tippers, since usually they go together almost all the time.

this pretty much

"nice guys", your problem is that you are too arrogant and think of "ladies" as tools

[FanofSMBX]

Who here has acted like this exactly? Is this something we need to take note of?

[Danny]

I'm starting to get tired of this discrimination against people who wear fedoras or have neckbeards or whatever.

I own a fedora (very rarely wear it because self-esteem), don't have a neckbeard, and I'm not a "nice guy" (nor does anybody, in all honesty, think I am one), but I sure as hell get mistaken for somebody that fits those discrimination descriptions.

[Panda]

I think in extreme cases (see: Elliot Rodger and his entire manifesto) or in cases of harrassment like the first image (although I don't know if it's real or not) then clearly something needs to be done about it, otherwise it's just funny and people can fucking laugh at these guys or girls' expenses until they realise THEY'RE the problem. If they want to act like self-entitled little shits, they'll suffer the consequences of looking like an idiot.

On that note, the "nice guys" that you're referencing (like the actual bad ones) treat whoever they're after as if they're a higher being, like they're some reward that they deserve for being a nice..."guy". Us women don't need your grovelling! (I'm trying to keep this as gender neutral as possible but it seems it's mainly men who are the "nice guys")

I think the fedora being used as a sign of "nice guys" or MRAs is fucking stupid, though. Personally I wouldn't wear one, but since when were we fashion policing everyone for wearing something? For example, Patrick Stump of Fall Out Boy is always seen wearing a fedora, but it doesn't mean he's a stereotypical fat, unshaven, diabetic "nice guy".

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Just look at this cutie patootie! :*

Meh, it's controversial, but the fedora "meme" is annoying. This is one of those occasions where stereotypes can hurt a majority of people.

[BTB]

i miss when if i heard the word fedora i would think of al capone or the ghetto boys
now they are just used by pussy douches who think girls are all stupid and should go with them

[michel]

[FanofSMBX]

Do you know where the rest of this is so I can laugh at this dream wistfully about how we must be separated by cause of unfortunacies

[michel]

unfortunately i think that's the entire thing

[aero]

Do you know where the rest of this is so I can laugh at this dream wistfully about how we must be separated by cause of unfortunacies

Just browse Okcupid cringe images. There's whole sites/blogs/whatevers dedicated to that.

[DarkMatt]

Internet.

Also being socially backwards.

A) Like the one in the image above, or
B) Antisocial and/or not confident.

Same thing.

"nice guys", your problem is that you are too arrogant and think of "ladies" as tools

Who are you directing this to?

[Megar]

rofl he spelled complex wrong
what a dumbass

[HeroOfRhyme]

I suck when it comes to women. Never had that in me. I hate looking at girls because I'm scared. I fear I'll never overcome that. It sucks, but I am really bad socially.

[BTB]

yeah, memes suck because they stop being funny about after the 4th time

[Magician]

It's nice to see that the meta-opinion on the internet is moving towards a greater social grace for everyone. I hope that continues.

While I laugh at fedora mockery, I don't condone it targeting any specific individual unless they're actually misogynistic self-proclaimed "nice guys" as described. If I were to write off someone for their poor sense of style, I might as well write off myself. For me, clothing is purely function. Anything that covers me and doesn't attract attention works for me.

The first image set that michel posted, though. That pretty much says it loud and clear. While I feel sorry for that guy in a way, I really hope he also learned his lesson. Though I don't imagine anyone getting fired at with a response like that could possibly fail to understand it, I might be wrong.

Women can be just as shallow as men, but the interesting thing I find about a lot of young and unhappily-single people is that they may experience cognitive dissonance about not wanting to have shallow judgements made upon them, yet make those same judgements against others, just in a way that's not specifically only related to their appearance.
There is, in reality, no indication here that Kitty was shallow. (Not that anyone here is saying otherwise. Bear with me.) Being uninterested and/or just unwilling to assess every oncoming man as a potential partner doesn't indicate that she is shallow at all, yet the common conclusion by those who are rejected is that these disinterested women only like "attractive" men who treat them badly. Which is ironically pretty shallow. I don't get that at all.

I think these people lament that they thought they found a solution to their self-perceived [insert shallow reason that they may be overlooked as a potential partner], and it didn't work, and that for some reason it's the other's fault, when there really is no working "method" to finding a partner whatsoever. I think compatible people either just find each other or they don't.

[Hawkeyeone]

Those people with fedoras that have a whole shelf dedicated to their My Little Pony collection and always think they're better than everyone else drives me nuts. Not to offend anyone, just my own opinion.

Also inb4 Fyre