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Is this bad level design instance or not? For instance: chasing koopa generators blocked off in boss fights, access to checkpoints in super-long levels, nearly impossible jumps trivalized etc.

I'd argue that locking checkpoints behind secrets is not good design, but there's nothing wrong with rewarding players with an easier time for finding secrets. I don't like chasing koopa generators though.

ElectriKing wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:40 am

I'd argue that locking checkpoints behind secrets is not good design

Counterpoint: the level in question could be intended to be a marathon, where a checkpoint is an accessibility feature

ElectriKing wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:40 am

I'd argue that locking checkpoints behind secrets is not good design, but there's nothing wrong with rewarding players with an easier time for finding secrets. I don't like chasing koopa generators though.

Different counterpoint: the Checkpoints don't have to be linear either, so you can easily just put a checkpoint at the start of a secret area if the size justifies it.

ShadowStarX wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:28 pm

ElectriKing wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:40 am

I'd argue that locking checkpoints behind secrets is not good design, but there's nothing wrong with rewarding players with an easier time for finding secrets. I don't like chasing koopa generators though.

Different counterpoint: the Checkpoints don't have to be linear either, so you can easily just put a checkpoint at the start of a secret area if the size justifies it.

This misses the point of the message you are replying to. The original point was about locking a conventionally accessible checkpoint (on the main route) behind a secret (optional bonus, like red palace switch). Not about placing a checkpoint in a secret path of a level.