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Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:57 am
by Shadow Yoshi
"Gay" is a commonly accepted term for both male and female homosexuality, and this topic pertains to both genders.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:59 am
by Fuyu
Joey wrote:"Gay" is a commonly accepted term for both male and female homosexuality, and this topic pertains to both genders.
It may be acceptable for the society, but technically, gay refers only to men.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:01 am
by zlaker
Natsu wrote:Joey wrote:"Gay" is a commonly accepted term for both male and female homosexuality, and this topic pertains to both genders.
It may be acceptable for the society, but technically, gay refers only to men.
Nope actually it's referred for both men and wimem
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:05 am
by Fuyu
Oh, so it has changed ... again ... ??
I'm feel I might have a brain attack sooner or later.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:26 am
by zlaker
Natsu wrote:Oh, so it has changed ... again ... ??
I'm feel I might have a brain attack sooner or later.
Yeah I understand. I was shocked when I heard it could be used for men and wimen.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:09 pm
by FanofSMBX
Re: Joey
So it's okay to be gay as long as you don't actually do any gay-type stuff?
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:15 pm
by FanofSMBX
Joey wrote:Maruiki wrote:I believe people choose homosexuality. That's just what I believe, many people disagree.
I'm a Chrisitan. We believe that men and women were meant for each other. I know what you're thinking. "Hey, Maruiki, don't Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin?"
Yes, we do. However, we don't judge others. That's all I really have to say about gay marrige. I hope you respect my opinion as I respect yours.
This is the part where I reiterate:
Gay marriage != being gay != gay sex.
I don't know what sect of Christianity you practice (so if you could tell me, that'd be cool), but I do know that Catholicism runs with the belief that "we understand that people can have homosexual tendencies [being gay], but Leviticus says that 'one man may not lay with another man' [gay sex]". The separation of this is important.
So, as someone who obviously isn't gay, what brings you to believe that it's a choice? Is that just something you were taught? It's a choice to have gay sex, sure, but is it the same with being gay (let's just define being gay as liking guys instead of girls)?
Moving on from Maruiki's post, the gay marriage debate stems from our mostly-Christian roots as a country. We went ahead and institutionalized marriage instead of just leaving it to the churches, and tacked on a bunch of legal benefits. While the legal benefits aren't bad, we should just drop marriage from our legal system entirely and just support civil unions between anyone that is in love and wants it.
CMIIW, but I'm pretty sure he was saying "Being gay doesn't equal getting married"
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:56 pm
by Shadow Yoshi
Joey wrote:but I do know that Catholicism runs with the belief that
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:07 pm
by FanofSMBX
Oh. I'm sorry for yelling at you.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:17 pm
by Danny
Ice wrote:wimem
please dont
Natsu wrote:Joey wrote:"Gay" is a commonly accepted term for both male and female homosexuality, and this topic pertains to both genders.
It may be acceptable for the society, but technically, gay refers only to men.
That was my point originally. I've noticed that people refrain from using the word "sex" when referring to gay marriage, because I never hear them say "homosexual" or "same-sex", it's always "gay".
Ice wrote:I was shocked when I heard it could be used for wimen.
Not sure if sexist, sarcastic, or you truly don't know how to spell the word "women". Even so, you should notice the spell check error when you typed in "wimem" and "wimen" the first time around.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:54 pm
by Julia Pseudo
Yeah "gay" definitely refers to both genders. The term "gay and lesbian" is still in general use but if you use the term "gay" without specifying gay men it's assumed to refer to homosexuality in general.
Source: I live in San Francisco.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 1:26 am
by Magician
Etymologically the word "gay" has nothing to do with gender or sexuality. I think it was intended to describe male homosexuality, but that has since changed. I believe Ellen Page, for example, used the word "gay" when describing herself, to ensuing cheers. Considering that, it seems that the gay community believes it's acceptable to use.
Maruiki wrote:Personally, I do not support gay marrige. However, I do respect homosexuals. They're human beings, and I don't believe in hate.
If you're gay, I'll still be your friend. Honestly, I don't care. I don't HATE you, I just don't support gay marrige.
Smiling at someone and calling yourself their friend
while you reject that they should have the same rights and freedoms as you is probably the weirdest way to respect someone I've ever seen.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 3:12 am
by Maruiki
Magician wrote:Etymologically the word "gay" has nothing to do with gender or sexuality. I think it was intended to describe male homosexuality, but that has since changed. I believe Ellen Page, for example, used the word "gay" when describing herself, to ensuing cheers. Considering that, it seems that the gay community believes it's acceptable to use.
Maruiki wrote:Personally, I do not support gay marrige. However, I do respect homosexuals. They're human beings, and I don't believe in hate.
If you're gay, I'll still be your friend. Honestly, I don't care. I don't HATE you, I just don't support gay marrige.
Smiling at someone and calling yourself their friend
while you reject that they should have the same rights and freedoms as you is probably the weirdest way to respect someone I've ever seen.
I don't reject the fact the fact the that they have the same rights and freedoms as I do. I even stating that I respect them because they're human being as well.
I have a bisexual friend, and I treat him like every other friend of mine.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:25 am
by Julia Pseudo
Maruiki wrote:Magician wrote:Etymologically the word "gay" has nothing to do with gender or sexuality. I think it was intended to describe male homosexuality, but that has since changed. I believe Ellen Page, for example, used the word "gay" when describing herself, to ensuing cheers. Considering that, it seems that the gay community believes it's acceptable to use.
Maruiki wrote:Personally, I do not support gay marrige. However, I do respect homosexuals. They're human beings, and I don't believe in hate.
If you're gay, I'll still be your friend. Honestly, I don't care. I don't HATE you, I just don't support gay marrige.
Smiling at someone and calling yourself their friend
while you reject that they should have the same rights and freedoms as you is probably the weirdest way to respect someone I've ever seen.
I don't reject the fact the fact the that they have the same rights and freedoms as I do. I even stating that I respect them because they're human being as well.
I have a bisexual friend, and I treat him like every other friend of mine.
Well, you treat him like every other friend of yours except for that you might oppose him getting married to someone he loved.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 12:25 pm
by Fuyu
At least he's being honest with him, he shares his opinion regarding the fact he opposes with a possible marriage. Worse would be a friend that lies just because he doesn't like the truth. I wouldn't lie somebody if that would make him happy, lying him would do even worse when he finds out, and probably would do even more harm than telling the truth from the beginning.
Besides, he's sharing his opinion, you guys are mostly like trying to change that, and that won't happen.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 12:46 pm
by Julia Pseudo
Natsu wrote:Besides, he's sharing his opinion, you guys are mostly like trying to change that, and that won't happen.
This is an important enough issue to me that I think it's worth a try.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 2:15 pm
by Fuyu
Knux wrote:Natsu wrote:Besides, he's sharing his opinion, you guys are mostly like trying to change that, and that won't happen.
Yeah, but there are a lot of fallacies in what he's saying.
Either way, that's your opinion.
Now please do not accuse of of copyrighting Joey if you don't mind. =P JK
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:34 pm
by Shadow Yoshi
Knux wrote:Natsu wrote:Besides, he's sharing his opinion, you guys are mostly like trying to change that, and that won't happen.
Yeah, but there are a lot of fallacies in what he's saying.
He just thinks people choose to be gay. That's not a fallacy, nor are fallacies even relevant in the first place.
Maruiki, I'm not sure if I've asked yet, but what is it that formed your opinions about people choosing to be gay?
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:05 pm
by Maruiki
Everyone who has replied to my previous post, please look at it again. I have edited it.
Re: Gay Marriage
Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:07 pm
by Shadow Yoshi
...what? Why did you edit that part of the post?
If you believe homosexuality is a choice, I'd much rather you stand by that and fight for it instead of succumbing to everyone disagreeing with you.