Re: Gay Marriage

[lighthouse64]

WHATEVER IT IS I OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE COMPLETELY.

I just really don't like it.

[Julia Pseudo]

WHATEVER IT IS I OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE COMPLETELY.

I just really don't like it.

But does it affect you? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can't tolerate it. Do you really think gay marriage should be illegal just because you don't personally approve of it?

[aero]

WHATEVER IT IS I OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE COMPLETELY.

I just really don't like it.

You could at least give some evidence for why gay marriage would be a bad thing, or even why you don't like it.

[Shadow Yoshi]

"Does it affect you" is, in my opinion, an irrelevant argument. African leaders denying their countries food doesn't affect me at all, yet I still have an opinion about it.

lighthouse should explain some more, though.

[Ignoritus]

"Does it affect you" is, in my opinion, an irrelevant argument. African leaders denying their countries food doesn't affect me at all, yet I still have an opinion about it.

There's a difference between being concerned and wanting to do something about the loss of life and widespread pain and anguish and wanting to enforce your interpretation of morality on other people.

Just sayin'.

[Shadow Yoshi]

Fair enough. That wasn't the best example, but my point still stands - just because I'm not affected by something doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it. Though, if that opinion isn't educated...well, that's a different story!

But yeah, I think what Pseudo's trying to say is "if it's not hurting you then what's the problem". I see where that belief comes from, but again, that doesn't make it any more or less right or wrong.

[aero]

"Does it affect you" is, in my opinion, an irrelevant argument. African leaders denying their countries food doesn't affect me at all, yet I still have an opinion about it.

lighthouse should explain some more, though.

Fair enough. That wasn't the best example, but my point still stands - just because I'm not affected by something doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it. Though, if that opinion isn't educated...well, that's a different story!

But yeah, I think what Pseudo's trying to say is "if it's not hurting you then what's the problem". I see where that belief comes from, but again, that doesn't make it any more or less right or wrong.

I think it's worth mentioning that gay marriage isn't really discussed on how it affects you the individual, but us the society. I get what you're trying to say about having an opinion on the issue, but I don't think that addresses the argument being made.

[Julia Pseudo]

But yeah, I think what Pseudo's trying to say is "if it's not hurting you then what's the problem".

Yeah this is basically what I meant. I mean, I can see where you're coming from but I don't think personal opinion about something that doesn't involve you justifies taking rights away from people.

[Marina]

Again;

"It's ruining my cake and I don't know how to explain it to my children"

I love tumblr posts like this



But yeah, my view on the topic?

As some people here might know, I myself, am homosexual, and therefore are 100% behind gay marriage. I don't get what's the problem with some people "I have many gay friends, but I don't support gay marriage because I don't want to see them lead a happy, normal life, like EVERY OTHER F*CKING PERSON DOES" like. really?


Also "marriage isn't even that important nowadays" wrong. with marriage come many important rights that people who are not married don't have, and it's not just stuff about taxes, it's things like being able to adopt children, or counting as family member, which is important, because with the current legal situation in my country, I couldn't be able to see my boyfriend if he was in hospital and about to die, because I wouldn't count as "family member"

And "gay people getting married is ruining the sanctity of marriage" Oh please, if two women who sincerely love each other can't get married, but Britney Spears getting married for 48 hours just to lose her virginity doesn't ruin the "sanctity of marriage", then I don't know what's wrong with you

[aero]

Spoiler: show

Again;

"It's ruining my cake and I don't know how to explain it to my children"

I love tumblr posts like this



But yeah, my view on the topic?
As some people here might know, I myself, am homosexual, and therefore are 100% behind gay marriage.

How does being a homosexual mean you are behind gay marriage. I'd argue that your sexuality shouldn't automatically determine your stance on an issue since there's a chance you could agree with an alternative position such as decentralization of marriage as an example.

I don't get what's the problem with some people "I have many gay friends, but I don't support gay marriage because I don't want to see them lead a happy, normal life, like EVERY OTHER F*CKING PERSON DOES" like. really?

Nobody says that they don't want their friend to see a "happy, normal life." Assuming this position is using the straw-man fallacy, since this clearly does not represent the opposition. Unless you can provide a quote of someone saying something as silly as that, I'd hold off on assumptions.

Also "marriage isn't even that important nowadays" wrong. with marriage come many important rights that people who are not married don't have, and it's not just stuff about taxes, it's things like being able to adopt children, or counting as family member, which is important, because with the current legal situation in my country, I couldn't be able to see my boyfriend if he was in hospital and about to die, because I wouldn't count as "family member"

I agree, marriage is important. On the issue of rights, it's something that all human beings have and are not granted or can be taken away. This is why I'm skeptical of the claim that denying gay marriage is to deny rights. For example, you mentioned child adoption. This isn't a right, but rather a privilege based on how well of an environment you can produce for a child, which would restrict some people who can't provide this. I'm not sure of the legal requirement in your country, but in America you have to be able to demonstrate that you are capable of taking a child in and raising him/her before you can adopt. But or your example on counting as family, I agree completely.

And "gay people getting married is ruining the sanctity of marriage" Oh please, if two women who sincerely love each other can't get married, but Britney Spears getting married for 48 hours just to lose her virginity doesn't ruin the "sanctity of marriage", then I don't know what's wrong with you

Again, I agree with your point that gay marriage doesn't ruin the sanctity of marriage, but you can't just say the faults of others justify your claim.

[lighthouse64]

WHATEVER IT IS I OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE COMPLETELY.

I just really don't like it.

You could at least give some evidence for why gay marriage would be a bad thing, or even why you don't like it.

Ok it's because I'm a christian.

[aero]

WHATEVER IT IS I OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE COMPLETELY.

I just really don't like it.

You could at least give some evidence for why gay marriage would be a bad thing, or even why you don't like it.

Ok it's because I'm a christian.

That still doesn't explain much. There's the Westboro Christians and there's Christians that are fine with gay marriage.

[lighthouse64]

I actually look at the bible and it says that homosexualness is bad. R all of you 4 homosexuallness...

[aero]

I actually look at the bible and it says that homosexualness is bad. R all of you 4 homosexuallness...

True, however in the new covenant the old laws where homosexuality is directly prohibited are nullified because Jesus fulfilled them with his death. Jesus then summed up the law into one command which is to "do to others what you would have them do to you."

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Matthew 7:12
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

[lighthouse64]

I hope I gave you all a good explanation. Sorry if I double posted somewhere.

[Marina]

I actually look at the bible and it says that homosexualness is bad. R all of you 4 homosexuallness...

Well if you actually looked at the bible and could tell me where exactly it says "homosexuality is bad" I would gladly try to become straight if I could


The bible is a book written in ancient times, written over 2000 years ago even if you still follow the old laws, despite what GhostHawk has already mentioned, you can't just take it and put everything that's in there into your nowaday-life 1:1


The bible also says that men shouldn't shave and noone is allowed to get tattoos

Leviticus 19:27,28

27'You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard. 28'You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.…


Or that women are not allowed to speak in churches or learn without the permission of their husbands

1 Corinthians 14:34,35

34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.…


You're also not allowed to wear clothes of mixed material together

Deuteronomy 22:11

11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.


It really says all those things, but most people don't even care about most of these verses today. Why? Well, first of all, they're completely taken out of context, and second, they just don't fit into our modern time.

Leviticus 19:27,28 is about not shaving your hear or beard or cutting your skin as an act of grieving, like it was a common pagan practice in ancient times if someone died. Same goes for tattoos, pagans hoped that by tattooing/cutting their idols into their skin, they would obtain favors from their gods in the afterlife.

1 Corinthians 14:34,35 is talking about instructions given on how to hold a proper service. If you look at 14:27, it says

27If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.…

This is pointing towards the fact that worships at that time had been rather unorganized and these verses in the bible just try to provide a proper explanation on how to worship God without everyone speaking at once and noone understanding anything

Deuteronomy 22:11 I admit I had to look it up myself what's meant with this verse. According to a website that provides explanations to bible verses, God established this law to prevent the production of low-quality fabrics. Huh. Appearantly the law was meant for manufacturers who should not conceive their customers and thereby break the Eight Commandment


And finally, the quote you were talking about. Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
At the time the bible was written, there was this patriarchial system, you have lots of other verses in the bible along the lines of "do not sleep with your aunt because it dishonors your uncle" (Lev18:14) "do not sleep with your brothers wife as it dishonors your brother"(Lev18:15) and "do not sleep with your daughter-in-law because it dishonors your son" it seems to me that at this time, women sort of were the "property" of men, and seeing as these verses are all directed towards men, not even supposed to hear these words.

Now notice that it says "don't sleep with a man like you sleep with a woman" which would make sense, because appearantly it was degrading for a man to be seen as a woman at that time. Now it also says that the act of sleeping with a man "like with a woman" is an abomination. Eagles are also an abomination. Leviticus talks a lot about ceremonial stuff and abomination basically just means that something is ceremonially unclean (eating pork is also ceremonially unclean, according to another verse)





Tl;dr: The bible says a lot of stuff that can cause a lot of confusion without the context. Don't justify your world-view with "the bible said so" without knowing the proper context

Also it's "homosexuality" not "homosexualness"

[Mable]

I actually look at the bible and it says that homosexualness is bad. R all of you 4 homosexuallness...

Because everything that stands in a book is true. k

[RudeGuy]

I actually look at the bible and it says that homosexualness is bad. R all of you 4 homosexuallness...

Uhm, another reason for why I should be an atheist...

[Magna]

Let me just say what I think in this irc chat quote :

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[01:10] <Magna>  iwosh gays cluld reproduce like we normal people can, so they wouldnt be uselessto the human race

[01:10] <The8bitmushroom> How are they useless?

[01:10] <Drloogi> You're not in this room.

[01:10] <Maruiki> so gays arent normal people?

[01:10] <sleepy> Magna: you just insulted about every gay that existed

[01:10] <The8bitmushroom> We're all useless to the human race.

[01:10] <sleepy> existed, exists, w/e

[01:10] <The8bitmushroom> The human race has no goals.

[01:10] <reghrhre> wat is diz

[01:10] <Maruiki> but to be kewl

[01:10] <Maruiki> lol

[01:10] <The8bitmushroom> We live only because it's instinct.

[01:10] <sleepy> reghrhre retardedness

[01:10] <Magna> sleepy: imlooking atthisin a scoentific approach

[01:10] <Drloogi> We just sorta exist.

[01:11] <The8bitmushroom> We were created from nothingness.

[01:11] <Drloogi> Dammit, I keep getting communication errors.

[01:11] <The8bitmushroom> Well, we don't know where we came from actaully.

[01:11] <Maruiki> FUCK

[01:11] <Maruiki> me too

[01:11] <The8bitmushroom> Some say it's god, others say it was evolution.

[01:11] <The8bitmushroom> But who really knows.

[01:11] <The8bitmushroom> Not us.

[01:11] <Maruiki> ima make a rom

[01:11] <Magna> gays cannot reproduce

[01:11] <Maruiki> room

[01:11] <Drloogi> k.

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[01:12] <sleepy> not even going to bother

[01:12] <sleepy> with such stupidity

[01:12] <Maruiki> drluigi wanna voice chart

[01:12] <Maruiki> chat

[01:12] <Maruiki> loogi

[01:12] <Maruiki> watever

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[01:13] <sleepy> also

[01:13] <sleepy> [00:07:36] <ZVoid> brony = furry

[01:13] <sleepy> not entirely true

[01:13] <sleepy> some are, yeah

[01:13] <sleepy> but that doesn't mean all bronies are

[01:13] <Magna> i wonder

[01:13] <Magna> dobronies watch horse porn?

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[01:14] <sleepy> i give up

[01:14] <sleepy> magna I will put simply

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[01:14] <Natsu> hi

[01:14] <sleepy> gays and bronies are not alike

[01:14] <Nexia> hey Natsu

[01:14] <sleepy> in any way shape or form

[01:14] <Natsu> hey

[01:14] <Natsu> have any of you guys played ToB6 yet?

[01:14] <sleepy> nah

[01:14] <Magna> iget thatbut dothey watch horse porn?

[01:14] <Kevin> i played some part of it

[01:15] <Natsu> Kevin: have you played the beanstalk level? I got stuck trying to get in the castle

[01:15] <sleepy> [00:14:58] <Magna> iget thatbut dothey watch horse porn?

[01:15] <sleepy> how would I know

[01:15] <Kevin> what's the level name anyway

[01:15] <sleepy> I'm not a furry

[01:16] <Magna> i thought were talking about bronies and you said not allbronies arefurries so wheres your logic?

[01:16] <Natsu> Kevin: I believe it's mario and the shroomstalk

[01:16] <The8bitmushroom> <Magna> gays cannot reproduce

[01:16] <The8bitmushroom> No shit, Sherlock!

[01:16] <Kevin> ok natsu

[01:16] <The8bitmushroom> I can't believe how ignorant you are.

[01:17] <Maruiki> i did terrible

[01:17] <sleepy> I'm going to stop, you're misinterepeting what I'm saying

[01:17] <Magna> The8bitmushroom: gayscantbut lesbians can

[01:17] <sleepy> someone translate in retard language pls

[01:17] <The8bitmushroom> Magna.

[01:17] <The8bitmushroom> They may not be able to reproduce.

[01:17] <The8bitmushroom> But they can still have sexual intercourse.

[01:17] <Kevin> natsu: mario and the shroomstalk?

[01:17] <The8bitmushroom> And they can also adopt children!

[01:17] <Natsu> Kevin: yeah

[01:17] <Magna> too bad they cnt have kids

[01:18] <The8bitmushroom> Yes they can?

[01:18] <The8bitmushroom> They can adopt children?

[01:18] <sleepy> Magna: it's called "adopting"

[01:18] <The8bitmushroom> Which means they can have children?

[01:18] <Magna> no,not theirown

[01:18] <The8bitmushroom> What?

[01:18] <sleepy> magna you're missing our point

[01:18] <The8bitmushroom> I can't believe how ignorant you are.

[01:18] <Magna> i bet they one day regret adopting a child, wishing they had their own

[01:18] <sleepy> but you've ignored everything I've said, so I don't see why I'm bothering.

[01:18] <Natsu> Magna: you said "they can't have kids". they can, but they are not theirs, that's true

[01:18] <The8bitmushroom> Magna, that's insulting.

[01:19] <Kevin> dafuq

[01:19] <The8bitmushroom> I'm sure they're happy to have adopted their child.

[01:19] <sleepy> one sec 8bitmushroom

[01:19] <The8bitmushroom> Orphan children need homes.

[01:19] <sleepy> [00:10:18] <Magna>  iwosh gays cluld reproduce like we normal people can, so they wouldnt be uselessto the human race

[01:19] <The8bitmushroom> He insulted gays, calling them useless.

[01:19] <sleepy> how is anyone useless

[01:19] <sleepy> explain that

[01:19] <The8bitmushroom> Everyone is useless, actually.

[01:19] <Magna> Gays are people they are just people-reproduction

[01:19] <The8bitmushroom> In retrospect, everything is useless.

[01:19] <sleepy> everyone in this world has potential

[01:19] <The8bitmushroom> Yes, that's what our concious thinks.

[01:19] <sleepy> And you're dissing some people just because of their sexual orientation?

[01:20] <sleepy> wow

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[01:20] <Pie-jacker875> I'm not going to even bother reading this debate because it is probably silly. Goodnight

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[01:20] <Magna> i never said i hatethem, i just dont see their point of exsistence

[01:20] <sleepy> it is silly, considering one side is ignorant

[01:20] <The8bitmushroom> I don't see your point of existence.

[01:20] <Nexia> Kevin : <3

[01:21] <Kevin> gtfo

[01:21] <The8bitmushroom> Gays exist for the same reason humans do.

[01:21] <Kevin> and racists

[01:21] <Nexia> Kevin : why? I <3 you

[01:21] <The8bitmushroom> Wait, that's not what I was trying to say.

[01:21] <Drloogi> Because they're all humans.

[01:21] <The8bitmushroom> Gays exist for the same reason heterosexuals do.

[01:21] <Magna> The8bitmushroom: minei tolive lifetothe fullest, have kids, and die

[01:21] <reghrhre> ...

[01:21] <sleepy> magna speak proper english

[01:21] <Kevin> racists

[01:21] <The8bitmushroom> How about you read a dictionary while you're at it.

[01:21] <sleepy> then we can actually respond

[01:22] <The8bitmushroom> Definitely do that.

[01:22] <The8bitmushroom> That'll be living life to the fullest.

[01:22] <Magna> The8bitmushroom: i cant helpit autocorrectis screwing me up!

[01:22] <sleepy> lol

[01:22] <sleepy> wat

[01:22] <sleepy> no

[01:22] <The8bitmushroom> Oh, I wouldn't blame it on that.

[01:22] <The8bitmushroom> Anyhow, I never got finished stating my point.

[01:22] <Nexia> Kevin : no probs if you're black me not racist

[01:23] <The8bitmushroom> Gays exist for the same reason heterosexuals do, and it's to be human.

[01:23] <Nexia> <3

[01:23] <Kevin> gtfo

[01:23] <Nexia> <3

[01:23] <Rei-Chan> Guys this isn't good

[01:23] <Rei-Chan> my kittyi s bleeding

[01:23] <sleepy> The8bitmushroom> Gays exist for the same reason heterosexuals do, and it's to be human.

[01:23] <Magna> also doyou know how annoyin it is to typewhile in portrait orientation?

[01:23] <sleepy> <The8bitmushroom> and it's to be human

[01:23] <sleepy> words taken

[01:23] <Rei-Chan> my kitty

[01:23] <Rei-Chan> is

[01:23] <Rei-Chan> bleeding

[01:23] <The8bitmushroom> How about you focus on that instead of being a fucking asshat over here.

[01:23] <sleepy> Rei-Chan save it

[01:23] <sleepy> pls

[01:23] <sleepy> pls

[01:23]  * ZVoid grabs popcorn

[01:23] <Rei-Chan> right out of his eye

[01:23] <sleepy> i <3 cats

[01:23] <Magna> gays exist for the same reason as us but they lose their second half of purpose

[01:24] <Rei-Chan> what do I do

[01:24] <Magna> to reproduce

[01:24] <The8bitmushroom> You'd think portrait orientation would be more important than stating your opinion on the Internet.

[01:24] <sleepy> wow reproducing is such a big deal

[01:24] <Rei-Chan> guys brb

[01:24] <GhostHawk> k

[01:24] <The8bitmushroom> The second half of the humans' reason to exist is to reproduce?

[01:24] <sleepy> you know, some straight couples don't reproduce

[01:24] <sleepy> did you know that?

[01:24] <The8bitmushroom> ^

[01:25] <Magna> sleepy: yeah i did, their problem, they want us to all die out, those selfish bastards

[01:25] <The8bitmushroom> If you're saying reproduction is HALF of what humans exist for, then that means we don't accomplish a lot.

[01:25] <The8bitmushroom> Life isn't about having sex.

[01:25] <sleepy> ^

[01:25] <Rei-Chan> Yes it is

[01:25] <The8bitmushroom> Life isn't a straight-forward thing.

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[01:25] <Rei-Chan> yes it is

[01:25] <sleepy> Rei-Chan stfu

[01:25] <sleepy> Rei-Chan stfu

[01:25] <Rei-Chan> ok

[01:25] <sleepy> Rei-Chan stfu

[01:25] <Rei-Chan> ok

[01:25] <Rei-Chan> ok

[01:25] <Rei-Chan> geez

[01:25] <Magna> ever heard ofdarwinstheoryof evolution?

[01:26] <Magna> we

[01:26] <The8bitmushroom> Based upon your logic, life is about growing up, going to school, having friends, graduating college, getting a job, getting married, having kids, and then dying.

[01:26] <Magna> liveto.ive life and passon ourgenes to continue tosurvive

[01:26] <The8bitmushroom> Can you repeat that in the English language for me.

[01:26] <sleepy> respond again when you learn how to speak English.

[01:26] <sleepy> Thanks!

[01:26] <The8bitmushroom> <Magna> sleepy: yeah i did, their problem, they want us to all die out, those selfish bastards

[01:26] <The8bitmushroom> Gays aren't selfish bastards.

[01:27] <The8bitmushroom> They don't want us to die out.

[01:27] <The8bitmushroom> Besides, you're treating them like they're not human, because they are.

[01:27] <The8bitmushroom> Gays aren't any different from you and me.

[01:27] <The8bitmushroom> They may have different tastes in who we are attracted to gender-wise.

[01:27] <Magna> lifeis about living, but you have tohave kids to let them live A full

[01:27] <Magna> iife too

[01:27] <The8bitmushroom> No you don't?

[01:28] <sleepy> >you have to have kids

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> My uncle hasn't had kids, and he's almost in his 40's.

[01:28] <sleepy> Newsflash: you don't

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> My uncle isn't even married.

[01:28] <Magna> how about we alljust stop having sex all together

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> He never has been

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> What?

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> Magna, are you an ignorant cunt?

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> I believe you are.

[01:28] <Magna> lets see where that will take us

[01:28] <The8bitmushroom> It's not a choice to be gay.

[01:28] <sleepy> magna a better idea would be you presenting a legitimate argument

[01:29] <The8bitmushroom> You're treating gay couples like they're nazis.

[01:29] <sleepy> indeed

[01:29] <The8bitmushroom> They're the world's biggest threat!

[01:29] <The8bitmushroom> Oh no!

[01:29] <The8bitmushroom> God save us please!

[01:29] <Nexia> wat

[01:29] <Magna>  My argument: Gays are people, i never said they werent. thy can still live life to the fullest. they just cant have kids

[01:29] <Nexia> I actually agree with Magna

[01:29] <Magna> what else is there to say? i got nothing against them

[01:30] <Nexia> they can adopt

[01:30] <The8bitmushroom> You apparently do.

[01:30] <Nexia> why do you think he does?

[01:30] <The8bitmushroom> You're saying they can't live their life to the fullest because they can't have children?

[01:30] <The8bitmushroom> You don't have any other legitimate reasons on why you have something against them.

[01:30] <sleepy> [00:30:03] <Magna> what else is there to say? i got nothing against them

[01:30] <sleepy> oh please

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[01:30] <sleepy> speak more bullshit

[01:31] <sleepy> it would please me very much!

[01:31] <Magna> The8bitmushroom: they cannotreproduce which is a major partofhuman existence, without it,we would alldieoutas a race

[01:31] <The8bitmushroom> You dissed them by saying they weren't "normal" people.

[01:31] <The8bitmushroom> It's the truth that we would die out, but seriously.

[01:31] <The8bitmushroom> Your way of thinking is extremely flawed.

[01:31] <sleepy> if there was 'you must have kids' rule humanity would be dead

[01:31] <The8bitmushroom> I'm pretty sure you're thinking that everyone is suddenly going to turn gay.

[01:32] <The8bitmushroom> News flash, that's not the case.

[01:32] <The8bitmushroom> Sure, we can have gays.

[01:32] <The8bitmushroom> They will definitely benefit the human race.

[01:32] <Magna> i think that wehave jobsin ourlives, our own responsibilities, one of whichis tohave kids, gays cannot accomplish this to the full extent

[01:32] <ZVoid> Still arguing?

[01:32] <The8bitmushroom> Magna,

[01:32] <Nexia> yes

[01:32] <The8bitmushroom> There are plenty, PLENTY of heterosexual couples that haven't had children.

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> I even stated that my OWN UNCLE isn't married and he doesn't want children.

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> My mom has a friend who is married, she is heterosexual.

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> She will never have children.

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> My mom knows a lesbian couple that will never have children.

[01:33] <Maruiki> no shit

[01:33] <Maruiki> lol

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> It's a choice, not a rule.

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> Maruiki: A lesbian couple can have children.

[01:33] <Maruiki> adopting

[01:33] <The8bitmushroom> I sure hope you know that.

[01:34] <The8bitmushroom> Well, not just adopting.

[01:34] <Magna> TheVoid-: yep thatistrue, and i feel that even though thy could reproduce,they dont want to, actin selfsih just so thy can do what they want

[01:34] <The8bitmushroom> Sperm donors

[01:34] <Maruiki> ah, yeah

[01:34] <The8bitmushroom> Magna.

[01:34] <Nexia> they can have kids

[01:34] <Maruiki> what i wanna know is

[01:34] <The8bitmushroom> You do realize you are the biggest idiot I have met so far.

[01:34] <Nexia> but not in the traditional way

[01:34] <Maruiki> what do girls squirt?

[01:34] <Ragont> is that actually

[01:34] <Ragont> the legendary

[01:34] <ZVoid> Magna: You probably don't even have pubic hair yet, you can't reproduce

[01:34] <Ragont> TheVoid-

[01:34] <ZVoid> are you uselesss?

[01:34] <Maruiki> The8bitmushroom: Am I an idiot?

[01:34] <Maruiki> ._.

[01:34] <The8bitmushroom> Magna: I do hope you realize that.

[01:35] <The8bitmushroom> Just because people don't want children doesn't mean they're "selfish".

[01:35] <Maruiki> ^^

[01:35] <Maruiki> its a choice

[01:35] <The8bitmushroom> That's just a retarded way of thinking.

[01:35] <Maruiki> you're not REQUIRED to have children

[01:35] <Maruiki> like he said, it's a choice

[01:35] <The8bitmushroom> Gays aren't selfish if they don't have children, adopted or otherwise.

[01:35] <Magna> my Ultamite argument: Gays are people. Straight peopleare people. just try to continuethe human race, and dnt be selfish

[01:35] <sleepy> Oh Magna, I told an IRL friend about this argument

[01:35] <sleepy> she is laughing her ass off

[01:35] <Maruiki> lol

[01:36] <Nexia> lel

[01:36] <Maruiki> whos she picking?

[01:36] <Maruiki> as the winner

[01:36] <Maruiki> The8bitmushroom:

[01:36] <Maruiki> oops

[01:36] <Nexia> why continue the human race

[01:36] <Nexia> we should slow down actually

[01:36] <sleepy> me and 8bit won this argument a long time ago

[01:36] <Maruiki> The8bitmushroom or Magna?

[01:36] <Maruiki> ^^

[01:36] <sleepy> you just keep coming up with excuses

[01:36] <Ragont> pathetic mortals

Down goes my reputation...

[Panda]

I actually look at the bible and it says that homosexualness is bad. R all of you 4 homosexuallness...

Just gonna post this here

[21:29] <Panda> it actually says "man must not lie with man as man lies with woman" and that basically means "dont treat a man like a woman" (these times were still mysoginistic)
[21:29] <Panda> it's also from leviticus which is grossly outdated and says shit like "dont cut your beard" and "dont eat oysters"