What's North Korea's Deal?

[Panda]

So wait, I am ignorant for being shocked of what is happening in north korea?! Oh, ok, I mean, why not? And when you say "It doesn't matter if they do some of the worst things to their civilians", we can imagine the worst things imaginables, (that I won't describes for not to be banned), but apperently, naaaaah, citizens don't need to be liberated belong to you.

Citizens obviously need to be liberated. He never said they didn't. How do you expect the US to do that without starting another World War? It would cause a domino effect where every country's allies just attack each other.

Oh wait, that already happened in WW1!

Also; I NEVER mentionned an army deployment, I simply said that citizens needed to be liberated, and their is many way rather then a war. You can only blame yourself if you were imaginating a war like the one in irak.

What examples are there then?

[arcade999]

So wait, I am ignorant for being shocked of what is happening in north korea?! Oh, ok, I mean, why not? And when you say "It doesn't matter if they do some of the worst things to their civilians", we can imagine the worst things imaginables, (that I won't describes for not to be banned), but apperently, naaaaah, citizens don't need to be liberated belong to you.

Citizens obviously need to be liberated. He never said they didn't. How do you expect the US to do that without starting another World War? It would cause a domino effect where every country's allies just attack each other.

Oh wait, that already happened in WW1!

Also; I NEVER mentionned an army deployment, I simply said that citizens needed to be liberated, and their is many way rather then a war. You can only blame yourself if you were imaginating a war like the one in irak.

What examples are there then?

I feel like you are exagerating; a war is a thing, and a WORLD WAR is another one, like the war in irak was a war, ``world war``. Also YES there is MANY way to free people with other then a war: you can send propaganda (in this case, real information ^^) to civilians for them to realise that their life is shit, and cause a revolution. You can also kidnap or empoison the dictator to desatabilise the epire, or even shoot him with a drone, wich is more radical. south korea and japan also seems to hate noth korea lot, so usa should make an alliance with these two country to make a strategic plan about how to procede, and maybe finally get rid of north korea. The last solution would be to launch a missile, but it would be a lot radical (and it may start a war, so it is not the best plan ever). Also I don't think that ALL countrys may attack each other, since it is an abusive generalisation, plus everyone seems to hate north korea except maybe china.

[aero]

I feel like you are exagerating; a war is a thing, and a WORLD WAR is another one, like the war in irak was a war, ``world war``. Also YES there is MANY way to free people with other then a war: you can send propaganda (in this case, real information ^^) to civilians for them to realise that their life is shit, and cause a revolution. You can also kidnap or empoison the dictator to desatabilise the epire, or even shoot him with a drone, wich is more radical. south korea and japan also seems to hate noth korea lot, so usa should make an alliance with these two country to make a strategic plan about how to procede, and maybe finally get rid of north korea. The last solution would be to launch a missile, but it would be a lot radical (and it may start a war, so it is not the best plan ever). Also I don't think that ALL countrys may attack each other, since it is an abusive generalisation, plus everyone seems to hate north korea except maybe china.

1. Propaganda does very little, if anything, in the long term. North Koreans believe their country is governed by a demigod so any psychological warfare campaign tried won't go anywhere and certainly not start a revolution.
2. Kidnapping, imprisoning, or killing Kim Jong Un or anyone else in their government is an act of war.
3. South Korea and Japan are hostages, and any attacks from them will cause a Pacifc war. Japan would likely suffer the most due to their declining population, and their bare-bones military forces. Hundreds of thousands of people will die in Seoul if there are strikes there, and if North Korea were to use an EMP the entire continent would be destabilized.
4. If anyone but North Korea takes the first shot there will be international condemnation, sanctions, and reproach in addition to the mass devastation during the war.
5. The United States already has its hands full with other wars, which will hit our economy if we went to war with North Korea (especially with Chinese and Russian sanctions if we're lucky they stay to that).
6. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, The United States, Japan, South Korea, and NATO members would all be involved due to Article 5 and plunge everything into WWIII.

[arcade999]

I feel like you are exagerating; a war is a thing, and a WORLD WAR is another one, like the war in irak was a war, ``world war``. Also YES there is MANY way to free people with other then a war: you can send propaganda (in this case, real information ^^) to civilians for them to realise that their life is shit, and cause a revolution. You can also kidnap or empoison the dictator to desatabilise the epire, or even shoot him with a drone, wich is more radical. south korea and japan also seems to hate noth korea lot, so usa should make an alliance with these two country to make a strategic plan about how to procede, and maybe finally get rid of north korea. The last solution would be to launch a missile, but it would be a lot radical (and it may start a war, so it is not the best plan ever). Also I don't think that ALL countrys may attack each other, since it is an abusive generalisation, plus everyone seems to hate north korea except maybe china.

1. Propaganda does very little, if anything, in the long term. North Koreans believe their country is governed by a demigod so any psychological warfare campaign tried won't go anywhere and certainly not start a revolution.
2. Kidnapping, imprisoning, or killing Kim Jong Un or anyone else in their government is an act of war.
3. South Korea and Japan are hostages, and any attacks from them will cause a Pacifc war. Japan would likely suffer the most due to their declining population, and their bare-bones military forces. Hundreds of thousands of people will die in Seoul if there are strikes there, and if North Korea were to use an EMP the entire continent would be destabilized.
4. If anyone but North Korea takes the first shot there will be international condemnation, sanctions, and reproach in addition to the mass devastation during the war.
5. The United States already has its hands full with other wars, which will hit our economy if we went to war with North Korea (especially with Chinese and Russian sanctions if we're lucky they stay to that).
6. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, The United States, Japan, South Korea, and NATO members would all be involved due to Article 5 and plunge everything into WWIII.

1: It is abusive generaliastion: not everyone-everyone are brainwashed, and also, if north koreans see everything that the real world have that is forbidden in their country, and how they are so late in every domain (technology, architecture, etc) compared to the rest of the planet, they will see how kim jong un is kidding to them, well, it may kill the country internally, cuz honestly, it is hard, after that, to continue beleiving the ``kim``, isn't?
2: When I said ``war``, I mean what implicate soldiers and everything.
3: When I said an alliance with these country for a strategic plan, I NEVER metionned that it was war.
4: Aigain, I never metionned war.
5: Americans launched missiles in syria, and strangely, no world war ever happened, strange uh? Also I don't think all these country have anything to do with north korea, and aigain, I didn't mentionned war.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Attacking north korea right now is basically asking for world war 3 since china is an ally of north korea and russia is an ally of china

[Danny]

I'm flipping tables here.

So wait, I am ignorant for being shocked of what is happening in north korea?! Oh, ok, I mean, why not? And when you say "It doesn't matter if they do some of the worst things to their civilians", we can imagine the worst things imaginables, (that I won't describes for not to be banned), but apperently, naaaaah, citizens don't need to be liberated belong to you.

Also; I NEVER mentionned an army deployment, I simply said that citizens needed to be liberated, and their is many way rather then a war. You can only blame yourself if you were imaginating a war like the one in irak. :|

Excuse me? None of this made any sense. First off, you are ignorant because you are insinuating that we must go to war with North Korea, and then you go on to say that we don't have to go to war? If you want to liberate citizens, you kind of have to go to war first, you can't just up and steal citizens from a country, especially one that has an iron grip on their population. I never said that you shouldn't liberate the citizens, I just said that it is within our best interests not to go to war with them.

I feel like you are exagerating; a war is a thing, and a WORLD WAR is another one, like the war in irak was a war, ``world war``. Also YES there is MANY way to free people with other then a war: you can send propaganda (in this case, real information ^^) to civilians for them to realise that their life is shit, and cause a revolution. You can also kidnap or empoison the dictator to desatabilise the epire, or even shoot him with a drone, wich is more radical. south korea and japan also seems to hate noth korea lot, so usa should make an alliance with these two country to make a strategic plan about how to procede, and maybe finally get rid of north korea. The last solution would be to launch a missile, but it would be a lot radical (and it may start a war, so it is not the best plan ever). Also I don't think that ALL countrys may attack each other, since it is an abusive generalisation, plus everyone seems to hate north korea except maybe china.

War is war, whether it's a World War or not. Since Aero has just said everything I would have said in the first place, I just want to touch up on a couple of things he did say.

1. Propaganda does very little, if anything, in the long term. North Koreans believe their country is governed by a demigod so any psychological warfare campaign tried won't go anywhere and certainly not start a revolution.

Some North Koreans (most of them imprisoned now I would imagine) have cited that they do not follow this belief, but the regime is so overruling that these "nonbelievers" are snuffed out almost immediately. I do recall some points in time where revolutions were in the works, but they were found out so quickly and shut down just as fast that they don't go anywhere.

2. Kidnapping, imprisoning, or killing Kim Jong Un or anyone else in their government is an act of war.

Not only would it be an act of war, but something as serious as this would surely damage relations with the UN. The goal is to not be an initiator of war, because that is what tarnishes your reputation. If North Korea were to be the initiator, they'd be damaging their own reputation, and our actions would be in defense of our allies, whereas us taking the first steps is an aggressor's action, and is in no way a defense of our allies.

In the end, literally nothing can be done physically like this without directly causing a war. Your ideas of just "liberating" citizens, kidnapping world leaders, assassinating him with a drone, or doing anything else, are all leaning on the switch that starts the war. While I would remain hopeful, with the aggressive actions of North Korea in recent years, I feel a war is imminent anyway, but you have to look at things with a broader mind. I hate bringing age into an equation such as this, but you're 15 years old, and you are showing a severe lack of reasoning and logical thought. I would highly recommend you do some actual, legitimate research on this subject and everything you've been mentioning, and maybe then you can grasp why doing as you're suggesting is the worst idea ever.

[dragonfan96]

There are a lot of philosophies I could share with you arcade that could make a point to everyone here, but the best big example I can give is playing the game Sid Meier's Civilization V. You have Washington France and England as one team and Russia North Korea and China as the other team. You're goal is to be the the first Civ to either,
Wage war and kill everyone, Become the Technological Power, Be Influential and cultural, Keep peace and be diplomatic. Waging wars yeah sure that's fine but you don't just nuke a location and not expect there to be multiple consequences for your actions. There are thousands of innocent people there that would be killed by a Bomb that they had nothing to do with, furthermore it would make us, as an america look bad and have a lot of International relations almost shattered making World War 3 happen and with the future being that to Fallout 4 where society cripples and its just man for himself because of one careless mistake. No one likes a Warmonger.
As Issac Newton once stated "For Ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction" That doesn't just apply to physics. Let me make one last thing clear...

Comments like this:

I feel like North Korea is just all talk in my opinion, especially their leader, Kim Jong Un. And I know for a fact I won't be offending any user here with what I said, because North Korea gives a very small amount of internet access to their people, and I doubt they'll use that internet to browse Mario forums.

I'm getting tire of hearing that as well, can't someone (Possibly South Korea) just put an end to North Korea so we can have other news to view?

I think we must LIBERATE north korea from kim jong-shitter un for it population to finally see the real world, with cars, Ipods and everything that is forbidden in north korea, cuz throwing a nuke will just kill everyone.

Shows how little care, or how we treat the the others because we feel better than them in which we aren't. It shows self-stupidity for how ignorant you look at a person,
and judge them on what needs and supplies they have or don't have. What if you saw someone with Islamic Faith as a normal person would you call them out for being ISIS?
since that's another threat that continues in parts of the world. Just because someone has done a crime because of one thing or another doesnt mean the entire group should be guilty or involved when you try to resolve a conflict. Its all about showing ideas and opinions on either side that can end a conflict rather than starting one.
What if we talked about people in Australia should we compare them since they have bad internet to that's not in their control?
You dont just judge a person by their actions or what they do, you treat them with equality.

[Panda]

1: It is abusive generaliastion: not everyone-everyone are brainwashed, and also, if north koreans see everything that the real world have that is forbidden in their country, and how they are so late in every domain (technology, architecture, etc) compared to the rest of the planet, they will see how kim jong un is kidding to them, well, it may kill the country internally, cuz honestly, it is hard, after that, to continue beleiving the ``kim``, isn't?

If it was that easy to liberate the North Koreans I'm sure it would have been done already. You also have to remember that they are already brainwashed.

[arcade999]

I have a dream and it is for north korea to disappear, and I guess you guys have the same dream. Maybe it is an irrealistic one, but it still a dream, so can you really blame me for hating a such infamous nation?

I'm flipping tables here.

So wait, I am ignorant for being shocked of what is happening in north korea?! Oh, ok, I mean, why not? And when you say "It doesn't matter if they do some of the worst things to their civilians", we can imagine the worst things imaginables, (that I won't describes for not to be banned), but apperently, naaaaah, citizens don't need to be liberated belong to you.

Also; I NEVER mentionned an army deployment, I simply said that citizens needed to be liberated, and their is many way rather then a war. You can only blame yourself if you were imaginating a war like the one in irak.

Excuse me? None of this made any sense. First off, you are ignorant because you are insinuating that we must go to war with North Korea, and then you go on to say that we don't have to go to war? If you want to liberate citizens, you kind of have to go to war first, you can't just up and steal citizens from a country, especially one that has an iron grip on their population. I never said that you shouldn't liberate the citizens, I just said that it is within our best interests not to go to war with them.

I feel like you are exagerating; a war is a thing, and a WORLD WAR is another one, like the war in irak was a war, ``world war``. Also YES there is MANY way to free people with other then a war: you can send propaganda (in this case, real information ^^) to civilians for them to realise that their life is shit, and cause a revolution. You can also kidnap or empoison the dictator to desatabilise the epire, or even shoot him with a drone, wich is more radical. south korea and japan also seems to hate noth korea lot, so usa should make an alliance with these two country to make a strategic plan about how to procede, and maybe finally get rid of north korea. The last solution would be to launch a missile, but it would be a lot radical (and it may start a war, so it is not the best plan ever). Also I don't think that ALL countrys may attack each other, since it is an abusive generalisation, plus everyone seems to hate north korea except maybe china.

War is war, whether it's a World War or not. Since Aero has just said everything I would have said in the first place, I just want to touch up on a couple of things he did say.

1. Propaganda does very little, if anything, in the long term. North Koreans believe their country is governed by a demigod so any psychological warfare campaign tried won't go anywhere and certainly not start a revolution.

Some North Koreans (most of them imprisoned now I would imagine) have cited that they do not follow this belief, but the regime is so overruling that these "nonbelievers" are snuffed out almost immediately. I do recall some points in time where revolutions were in the works, but they were found out so quickly and shut down just as fast that they don't go anywhere.

2. Kidnapping, imprisoning, or killing Kim Jong Un or anyone else in their government is an act of war.

Not only would it be an act of war, but something as serious as this would surely damage relations with the UN. The goal is to not be an initiator of war, because that is what tarnishes your reputation. If North Korea were to be the initiator, they'd be damaging their own reputation, and our actions would be in defense of our allies, whereas us taking the first steps is an aggressor's action, and is in no way a defense of our allies.

In the end, literally nothing can be done physically like this without directly causing a war. Your ideas of just "liberating" citizens, kidnapping world leaders, assassinating him with a drone, or doing anything else, are all leaning on the switch that starts the war. While I would remain hopeful, with the aggressive actions of North Korea in recent years, I feel a war is imminent anyway, but you have to look at things with a broader mind. I hate bringing age into an equation such as this, but you're 15 years old, and you are showing a severe lack of reasoning and logical thought. I would highly recommend you do some actual, legitimate research on this subject and everything you've been mentioning, and maybe then you can grasp why doing as you're suggesting is the worst idea ever.

Yeah yeah, it is easy to call people ignorant when they aren't coming from the same country as you! Do you really think I know all the millitary way to procede and-what-not-to-do in the official code of whatvever what is the name of a country that isn't even mine? If I ask you questions about quebec politic, you will obviously don't know what to ansewer, what if I call you ignorant for that? Saying that you have ``severe lack of reasoning`` just because that? Not even going trough the fact that we passed from ``there is a lot of ignorance coming from you`` to ``you are ignorant`` and ``you have a severe lack of reasoning and logical trought``, wich are obviously personnal attacks, and dude, using personnal attacks as arguments is the worst form ignorance I know.

[Danny]

Yeah yeah, it is easy to call people ignorant when they aren't coming from the same country as you! Do you really think I know all the millitary way to procede and-what-not-to-do in the official code of whatvever what is the name of a country that isn't even mine? If I ask you questions about quebec politic, you will obviously don't know what to ansewer, what if I call you ignorant for that? Saying that you have ``severe lack of reasoning`` just because that? Not even going trough the fact that we passed from ``there is a lot of ignorance coming from you`` to ``you are ignorant`` and ``you have a severe lack of reasoning and logical trought``, wich are obviously personnal attacks, and dude, using personnal attacks as arguments is the worst form ignorance I know.

Us being from different countries does not change anything you have said at all. It does not make a difference in the outcome of tactics you have suggested, it does not make a difference in the shifting of relations between other countries, it literally does not change anything. If you truly do not know the "military way to proceed", maybe you shouldn't be so ingrained in a discussion such as this? All it takes is a little bit of research, an inkling of common sense, and the knowledge of your own country to come up with the assessment that the "military way to proceed" is to not take military action at all., you do not need to be an actual tactician to understand this, it's just common sense.

Also, if you asked me questions about Quebec politics, I would not know a thing about it because I do not care, and it is not something that would be concerning me anytime soon, so thus I would not have proper research done on it. Asking about Quebec politics to non-Canadians, or at least people not living in Quebec, is extremely niche, and you are comparing it to discussion on a global situation. This is an unfair comparison by all means.

Did I call you ignorant? Yes, I did, because you express an extreme lack of logical thought in this discussion, which you have seemingly realized yourself, yet continue to go along with it. Were they personal attacks? It's not the intention, I was stating an observable and agreeable fact, but if you feel that it was a personal attack, then I apologize. Do I express any ignorance for supposedly attacking you personally? No, I do not, or at least I am under the impression that I don't. I have brought fact and logic to the table, and have stated truth in everything I have discussed up until this point, yet you ignore the facts and the truth because your own personal beliefs and your thought process are clouding you. That is what makes you ignorant, and regardless of whether or not you consider this to be a personal attack, it is merely a fact. You can choose to change yourself if you do not want to be an ignorant person, but no one can force you into that mindset, I am just trying to help you not to be like that.

[arcade999]

Yeah yeah, it is easy to call people ignorant when they aren't coming from the same country as you! Do you really think I know all the millitary way to procede and-what-not-to-do in the official code of whatvever what is the name of a country that isn't even mine? If I ask you questions about quebec politic, you will obviously don't know what to ansewer, what if I call you ignorant for that? Saying that you have ``severe lack of reasoning`` just because that? Not even going trough the fact that we passed from ``there is a lot of ignorance coming from you`` to ``you are ignorant`` and ``you have a severe lack of reasoning and logical trought``, wich are obviously personnal attacks, and dude, using personnal attacks as arguments is the worst form ignorance I know.

Us being from different countries does not change anything you have said at all. It does not make a difference in the outcome of tactics you have suggested, it does not make a difference in the shifting of relations between other countries, it literally does not change anything. If you truly do not know the "military way to proceed", maybe you shouldn't be so ingrained in a discussion such as this? All it takes is a little bit of research, an inkling of common sense, and the knowledge of your own country to come up with the assessment that the "military way to proceed" is to not take military action at all., you do not need to be an actual tactician to understand this, it's just common sense.

Also, if you asked me questions about Quebec politics, I would not know a thing about it because I do not care, and it is not something that would be concerning me anytime soon, so thus I would not have proper research done on it. Asking about Quebec politics to non-Canadians, or at least people not living in Quebec, is extremely niche, and you are comparing it to discussion on a global situation. This is an unfair comparison by all means.

Did I call you ignorant? Yes, I did, because you express an extreme lack of logical thought in this discussion, which you have seemingly realized yourself, yet continue to go along with it. Were they personal attacks? It's not the intention, I was stating an observable and agreeable fact, but if you feel that it was a personal attack, then I apologize. Do I express any ignorance for supposedly attacking you personally? No, I do not, or at least I am under the impression that I don't. I have brought fact and logic to the table, and have stated truth in everything I have discussed up until this point, yet you ignore the facts and the truth because your own personal beliefs and your thought process are clouding you. That is what makes you ignorant, and regardless of whether or not you consider this to be a personal attack, it is merely a fact. You can choose to change yourself if you do not want to be an ignorant person, but no one can force you into that mindset, I am just trying to help you not to be like that.

I understand they way you think, and I respect it. You can call me ignorant, weel, ok, and I think you are a dispicable person from the way you explain your point. Is it my fault if no one ever learned me how countrys should procede? No, I simply never really cared, because I Canada has his own problems, and the north korean nuclear menace menace is kinda recent. Also I was fucking 11 year old at this time, do you seriously think a 11 year old boy would be like ``oh, I heard kim jong un is insulting obama and making pathetic nuclear menaces, I should like REALLY learn the army code thing of a country that isn't even mine!``, no seriously, and I never heard about this code of all my life, so how do you expect me to knew it? I may think like ``oh but arcade, you coud have informed yourself!``, yes but when I am hearding that north korea is making bullshit, I am usually laughing, because I know that it is pathetic as fuck. Is it my fault if I never did researchs? No, it simply never came to me. Why did I joined this discussion? Because I hate north korea and I just wanted to say what I tough, I also wrote a a post before quoting you that pretty much explain anything. Altrough, YES, the fact that I am NOT coming from usa is relevant, because americans seems to pretty much love their country, and know pretty much everything about it, historically or politically, so yes, there is a HIGHER chance to know their millitary code then a guy living in another country, wich didn't even know the millitary code of it own country. Because yes, I didn't know it, and is this making me ignorant and having a severe lack of reasoning? No! I simply didn't care, wich lead me to my second point: you are litterally talking like people who didn't know the american millitary guide EXACTLY are ignorant and have a lack of reasoning. If you ask to all 15 year old teens if they know the book and KNOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, and that they didn't, are they ignorant? No! do they have a lack of reasoning? No, no and no! THEY ARE SIMPLY NOT INFORMED! You also asked to me to informate myself, ok, thanks but, with all your logic, my ``ignorance`` and my ``lack of reasoning`` , belong to you, magically disappear after that? This is not your exact words, but it resumate pretty much what you were explaining. You are looking like a smart person, but just shouldn't make amalgams with someone wich just didn't know something, and someone ignorant and with a lack of respect.

I understand that making a personnal attack wasn't your intention, but just, how did you expected me to react to that?

[Thehelmetguy1]

North Korea and China are allies. Russia and China are allies. China said they would only support an attack on North Korea if they did another nuclear test, and so did Russia as well. This didn't happen since a while, all of the recent weapon tests have been about bombs and missiles that don't use nuclear power. However, I would say that it is safe to assume that China and Russia will also support an invasion on North Korea if they attack another country.

What does that mean? Russia has a lot of nuclear power and so does the USA. A war between the two would easily result in a huge disaster. The USA wouldn't risk attacking an ally of Russia. This means that they need the support of Russia before they do anything against North Korea, or else this could end really badly. And the support of Russia is something the USA doesn't have yet.

[Danny]

Alright, hold up just a minute. I thought I was done here, but apparently not.

I understand they way you think, and I respect it. You can call me ignorant, weel, ok, and I think you are a dispicable person from the way you explain your point.

How am I despicable? And what point are you referring to exactly?

Is it my fault if no one ever learned me how countrys should procede? No, I simply never really cared, because I Canada has his own problems, and the north korean nuclear menace menace is kinda recent. Also I was fucking 11 year old at this time, do you seriously think a 11 year old boy would be like ``oh, I heard kim jong un is insulting obama and making pathetic nuclear menaces, I should like REALLY learn the army code thing of a country that isn't even mine!``, no seriously, and I never heard about this code of all my life, so how do you expect me to knew it?

This is where I have to stop you. First of all, no one has to or should have to exclusively teach you how a country should proceed, because that's usually where public opinion comes in. What do you mean you don't care about how countries proceed, but then go on to mention how Canada has its own problems? That doesn't make any sense, and those two things don't correlate with each other. The North Korean "nuclear menace" has been an issue since the Korean War, which took place back in the 1950s, and is no way a "recent" thing. Yes it has hit news internationally in recent years, but this is only because the probability for a second Korean War (or just continuing the first one since it never technically ended) is extremely high.
The second part of this paragraph is a rollercoaster. You mention being 11 years old at the time, then you mention Kim Jong-un insulting Obama by making "pathetic nuclear menaces" which I can only assume you mean "nuclear threats", and then you mention learning the military code of a country you don't live in? Since when was it ever stated that you had to learn an "army code" to be knowledgeable on an international situation that almost everyone knows about?! You don't need to research and sort of military code, it was never implied you had to research any sort of military code, why are you bringing up learning military code?!?!

I may think like ``oh but arcade, you coud have informed yourself!``, yes but when I am hearding that north korea is making bullshit, I am usually laughing, because I know that it is pathetic as fuck.

You think it's pathetic? Sure, they may be boasting, that's a given, but I don't think you understand the consequences or outcomes of a war breaking loose, which is why it's such a serious matter. They can make threats every day, but at the moment they actually make the first strike, shit's going to go south real quick. What if they bombed Japan or South Korea, which is the big concern at the moment? It won't be a laughing matter anymore.

Is it my fault if I never did researchs? No, it simply never came to me. Why did I joined this discussion? Because I hate north korea and I just wanted to say what I tough, I also wrote a a post before quoting you that pretty much explain anything.

If you join a discussion about the situation in North Korea while hating North Korea, it is expected of you to know the actual situation that's going on, so you are aware of what is happening so you may make proper assessments in the discussion instead of throwing out thoughts randomly that will lead thread derailings like this.

Altrough, YES, the fact that I am NOT coming from usa is relevant, because americans seems to pretty much love their country, and know pretty much everything about it, historically or politically, so yes, there is a HIGHER chance to know their millitary code then a guy living in another country, wich didn't even know the millitary code of it own country. Because yes, I didn't know it, and is this making me ignorant and having a severe lack of reasoning? No! I simply didn't care, wich lead me to my second point: you are litterally talking like people who didn't know the american millitary guide EXACTLY are ignorant and have a lack of reasoning. If you ask to all 15 year old teens if they know the book and KNOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, and that they didn't, are they ignorant? No! do they have a lack of reasoning? No, no and no! THEY ARE SIMPLY NOT INFORMED!

Copypasta award of the year goes to this paragraph.
So right off the bat, you're correct with the fact that you are not in the U.S., that's extraordinary! However, that's about as much as you got right with that alone. I can easily say without hesitation that a lot of Americans do not love their country, which may come as a shock to you. And a lot of Americans also do not know "pretty much everything, historically or politically" about their country, so I'm not even remotely certain where that idea even came from.
Want to know something else that may come as a bigger shock to you? Literally any average citizen of the U.S. will not be able to tell you the U.S.'s military code because they do not know it. I don't even know the country's military code. I also don't know North Korea's military code, not that they'd make that public. In fact, I'm pretty sure military code is not public to begin with, but I could be wrong. Where did you even get the idea that you have to know the military code of the country? Where did this stem from?
Also, I am not "talking like people who didn't know the american military guide exactly are ignorant and have a lack of reasoning", because there is no "american military guide", at least not to my knowledge. What book and what instructions are you even talking about? Why are you applying the idea of ignorance and a lack of reasoning with not knowing military code that I am pretty certain is confidential? Something was lost in translation here, and you have just completely demolished the discussion and filled it with utter nonsense.

You also asked to me to informate myself, ok, thanks but, with all your logic, my ``ignorance`` and my ``lack of reasoning`` , belong to you, magically disappear after that? This is not your exact words, but it resumate pretty much what you were explaining. You are looking like a smart person, but just shouldn't make amalgams with someone wich just didn't know something, and someone ignorant and with a lack of respect.

I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be rude, but the terrible English here has made this part pretty much impossible to read.

In the end, I think its best for you to not argue in this thread, and that's my honest opinion. I'm sure people would agree with this.

[arcade999]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly? Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

[Danny]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly?

What in the flying fuck are you even talking about? What book/guide are you talking about? No one has referred to any book or guide at all, no one has referenced a book or guide save for you. None of this makes any sense.

Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

I'm having an impossible time comprehending what is said here, but nothing here has been a personal attack on you. You seriously just need to educate yourself on a topic and its subject before you charge headfirst into a serious discussion.

[arcade999]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly?

What in the flying fuck are you even talking about? What book/guide are you talking about? No one has referred to any book or guide at all, no one has referenced a book or guide save for you. None of this makes any sense.
I am talking about how countrys should react and I get the reference to the fifth passage of some constitution thing.

Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

I'm having an impossible time comprehending what is said here, but nothing here has been a personal attack on you. You seriously just need to educate yourself on a topic and its subject before you charge headfirst into a serious discussion.[/quote]
I am meaning that a personnal attack is criticising someone rather then it arguments. A personnal attack is a personnal attack WHATEVER YOUR INTENTIONS WERE! I know you didn't knew you were making a sophism, but it didn't change anything, ant it still a sophism, I was only indicating it to you. I also explained that the fact that I did an error didn't defines my whole personnality and my whole psychlogical portrait, and that I WAS SORRY if it gave me a bad image of me to you.

[JupiHornet]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly? Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

Someone simply disagreeing with you isn't a personal attack...

[arcade999]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly? Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

Someone simply disagreeing with you isn't a personal attack...

He called me ignorant and that I had a lack of reasonnements...as an argument. Here was the personnal attack.

[JupiHornet]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly? Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

Someone simply disagreeing with you isn't a personal attack...

He called me ignorant and that I had a lack of reasonnements...as an argument. Here was the personnal attack.

You do have a lack of reasoning, though. A lot of what you said is incoherent and doesn't make any sense, and Danny is just letting you know that. It's not like he insulted you or anything, so don't take what he's saying so personally.

[Julia Pseudo]

There is so much things you misunderstanded there, altrough the beiggest problem here is that the discussion entirely derivated to something else. The ``book`` I was refering to is kinda obvious; it is the ARMY GREATION GUIDE THING! I am not talking about the confidential thing, but the guide that litterally everyone refered to me here to show me that I was wrong, you know, what people in this comment section seems to know perfectly? Whatever, the big problem in your reasonnement is that when you deduct that I am ignorant and having a lack of reasonnement, you are litterally making my whole personnality and my psychological profile with a single event, and if you see things I did of life OUTSIDE of this thread, you will see that you are getting everything wrong about me. If I gave to you a bad image of myself, I apologize, I know you were not trying to make personnal attacks but see, criticising the person arther then it arguments in a debate is a good way to ruin it, whatever the intentions are.

Someone simply disagreeing with you isn't a personal attack...

He called me ignorant and that I had a lack of reasonnements...as an argument. Here was the personnal attack.

Danny telling you that he believes you to be ignorant of the subject of US relations with North Korea is not a personal attack, since your ignorance on a subject that is being discussed is an outwardly displayed trait that is directly relevant to this discussion. Danny is attempting to tell you that you could learn more about the subject and be more level with him in this thread - your ignorance on the subject is something that can be solved via research, not something that is inherent to your personality.

Please calm down and don't turn this thread into a flame war. Thank you.