The Thirteenth Doctor

Ryuji231 · Postby **Ryuji231** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:42 pm

Whovian's of the SMBX community... Your thoughts? I personally thought it was a great gamechanger and a move in a new unknown direction for the last of the timelords.

Artemis008 · Postby **Artemis008** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:45 pm

Would you believe this got me banned from r/feminism? I said I felt like they made the doctor female to pander to feminist crowds, not because the actress in question was good.

DJFMHD · Postby **DJFMHD** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:45 am

They knew people were starting to get pissed that there was no female doctor.
Also the master probably spoiled this by saying that the doctors been a female before.

Postby **kr4k1n** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:38 am

im fine with one of them being a female

FireyPaperMario · Postby **FireyPaperMario** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:56 am

I'm okay with a female Doctor Who...

Ryuji231 · Postby **Ryuji231** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:13 am

I can't believe how split people are about this. It's US Presidential Election 2016 all over again lol. OMG the stuff I read last night made me actually take a step back and go "Are you KIDDING ME!?" I read it all last night from people flat out pretty much say "f**k doctor who now" to #NotMyDoctor trending. Than I've seen people who are like me all for it being called a "Snowflake" and than people against it be called "Misogynist". I mean really? We're gonna now fight over who's playing a tv character, is this what our world has come down to? lol

TLtimelord · Postby **TLtimelord** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:38 pm

I mean the new writer himself literally said that he did this for a gimmick but let's hope he doesn't write it like one. I'm excited for this and I mean they've made hints before that the doctor will be a lady at some point. I say we don't knock it before they try it.

Artemis008 wrote:Would you believe this got me banned from r/feminism? I said I felt like they made the doctor female to pander to feminist crowds, not because the actress in question was good.

Side note that regardless of what you experience the world isn't against white cis men. Yes, there is bullshit pandering and yes some "feminists" hate men (technically that's not feminism) but honestly not all of feminism is bad apples.

Knux · Postby **Knux** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:54 pm

Personally I think it's good to try something new, but at the same time Doctor Who has been abysmal ever since Moffat took over - thank fuck he's going soon.

Artemis008 · Postby **Artemis008** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:06 pm

TLtimelord wrote:I mean the new writer himself literally said that he did this for a gimmick but let's hope he doesn't write it like one. I'm excited for this and I mean they've made hints before that the doctor will be a lady at some point. I say we don't knock it before they try it.

Artemis008 wrote:Would you believe this got me banned from r/feminism? I said I felt like they made the doctor female to pander to feminist crowds, not because the actress in question was good.
Side note that regardless of what you experience the world isn't against white cis men. Yes, there is bullshit pandering and yes some "feminists" hate men (technically that's not feminism) but honestly not all of feminism is bad apples.

Western feminism needs to die, like now.

They talk about how oppressed they are, about how the mythical patriarchy is causing them to fail in life.

Then they turn around and defend Sharia law.

Magician · Postby **Magician** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:07 am

Ryuji231 wrote:I can't believe how split people are about this. It's US Presidential Election 2016 all over again lol. OMG the stuff I read last night made me actually take a step back and go "Are you KIDDING ME!?" I read it all last night from people flat out pretty much say "f**k doctor who now" to #NotMyDoctor trending. Than I've seen people who are like me all for it being called a "Snowflake" and than people against it be called "Misogynist". I mean really? We're gonna now fight over who's playing a tv character, is this what our world has come down to? lol

The problem is that it's just this horrible slippery slope we've fallen into. We've reached the point that we have a fictional character that has now shown a 1/14 outcome of regenerating as anything but "straight/white/cis/male" as those kids call it. To stray from the pattern is to rob us of our childhood heroes. Mark my words, the next Wonder Woman will have her regenerate as a bearded man. Now that may seem absurd, but hear me out. It's something called the frog in a blender effect, where even though in the Doctor Whoniverse there's this whole established thing about Time Lords and the ability to be female sometimes, the fact that they actually went and used that on the show is like the first step. It's like the first setting on the blender. If you went straight to setting four on the blender, the frog would jump out, so the PC officers gotta start out nice and slow on us. Meanwhile we don't even realize the frog is starting to be blended. They don't want us to realize; they want us complacent because if we merely tolerate each higher setting we won't be able to jump out by the time it's ready to destroy all of western society.

Panda · Postby **Panda** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:23 pm

Magician wrote: Mark my words, the next Wonder Woman will have her regenerate as a bearded man.

I think you are taking this a little too far. It's already been established that regeneration can cause various changes such as hair and skin colour as well as sex. Also, it's a TV show. It's not like any of this is real anyway. I don't understand why people are so outraged and calling it pandering. It's a change of direction. Give it a shot before you bash it.

Jodie Whittaker is a great actress, although I'm sure not many people here have even seen Broadchurch. People need to move away from comparing the new timelords to David Tennant if they ever want to enjoy the show again. But, as you can see from the comments section from any BBC Doctor Who post, they clearly don't want to enjoy it - just moan about it and sit on their ass. I was obsessed with Doctor Who between 2005 - 2012. I only stopped watching because the storylines were fucking terrible.

Also, if you watch British TV shows from back in the 60s and 70s they tend to be sexist towards women. I'm sure that if the doctor regenerated into a female anywhere around then, people would not have been happy, and in my opinion, it could have killed the show.

Postby **Marina** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:34 pm

A frog will stay in the blender if you start on the lowest setting.

aero · Postby **aero** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:53 pm

This is a thread about Dr. Who on a Mario forum where people are talking about Western civilization and pernicious motives of feminism.

Postby **kr4k1n** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:15 pm

Aristocrat wrote:A frog will stay in the blender if you start on the lowest setting.

sounds pretty stupid if you ask me

Ryuji231 · Postby **Ryuji231** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:47 pm

TLtimelord wrote:I mean the new writer himself literally said that he did this for a gimmick but let's hope he doesn't write it like one. I'm excited for this and I mean they've made hints before that the doctor will be a lady at some point. I say we don't knock it before they try it.

Let's hope he don't pull a Vince Russo and just become the butt of everybody's jokes.. Kinda like Nickelback.

Magician · Postby **Magician** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:21 am

Right. Any Doctor Who fan would have known they've had this up their sleeve for however long it's been since the first time this type of Time Lord regeneration has already happened. As a result this whole thing kind of reminds me of people going after a picture of Natalie Portman wearing a Star Wars shirt.

Anyway, I haven't even watched the show prior to the 2005 season. I think I want to at some point but just haven't gotten around to it. I'm a bit behind, but I like the twelfth doctor a lot. I've liked every doctor since 2005 so I guess that doesn't count for much.
It's not a... great show, but it's a fun show. I don't think this will kill the show. At this point I don't think anything will. I think it's doing exactly what they wanted, which is get people talking about it again.

It would have been nice for me to have found out about this happening on my own, while watching the actual show, but that's my fault for clicking "thirteenth doctor" I guess. Which is, to be fair, an easier mistake to make when you get into the doctor count vs regeneration count thing.

Knux · Postby **Knux** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:08 am

Magician wrote:To stray from the pattern is to rob us of our childhood heroes. Mark my words, the next Wonder Woman will have her regenerate as a bearded man.

The thing about Doctor Who is that it's been ret-conned to fuck ever since its 2005 revival, and the idea of the doctor changing gender has been on the cards as far back as the show's inception. This was always something that was plausible with this show regardless of PC culture. There's already a wonder-man, and there won't be a Jane Bond, because that IS absurd. The idea of a female doctor isn't.

Intellectual-Panda wrote:Also, if you watch British TV shows from back in the 60s and 70s they tend to be sexist towards women. I'm sure that if the doctor regenerated into a female anywhere around then, people would not have been happy, and in my opinion, it could have killed the show.

There's a Dr who episode in the 60s where a character drops the n-bomb lol

Magician · Postby **Magician** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:35 pm

Okay, now I want Jane Bond to happen. For no other reason than to witness the salt.

Seriously, "PC culture" or not, it's just in vogue to complain. Nobody is required to participate. I don't see why we can't just have a world where the talent just does whatever they want to do and then sells it, and people either buy it or don't. It's all nothing more than fiction, and even more than that a whole lot of it is fiction by someone other than the author of the original concept.
People would have even less incentive to freak out about their "favourite thing" being ruined if more people were able to just write stories about it without needing some kind of license. Nobody flips out about people having different takes on zombies, vampires, etc. Yet we have this weird way of withholding decades old intellectual property from society and giving them to a corporation, and refusing to brand anything that corporation does with that property as "fan fiction" even if it amounts to the same level of quality.

Whatever, I'm willing to change the subject if other people are.

Is Doctor Who worth watching from the beginning? Knux, when you say it's been retconned, do you mean stuff from earlier on in the show that I wouldn't have noticed?

Knux · Postby **Knux** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:37 pm

Magician wrote:Is Doctor Who worth watching from the beginning? Knux, when you say it's been retconned, do you mean stuff from earlier on in the show that I wouldn't have noticed?

Dr Who is worth watching from the beginning if you like retro-camp, slow-paced sci-fi. The average serial is either 90 to 150 minutes, and it really drags out, but there are some really good stories.

It's retconned because the concept of a timelord changing genders wasn't introduced until 34 seasons in.

Zha Hong Lang · Postby **Zha Hong Lang** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:14 pm

TLtimelord wrote:I mean the new writer himself literally said that he did this for a gimmick but let's hope he doesn't write it like one. I'm excited for this and I mean they've made hints before that the doctor will be a lady at some point. I say we don't knock it before they try it.

Considering that some cases of this end up very cringeworthy, for their sake I hope it isn't written like a gimmick either.