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Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:16 pm
by Benedani
Designed for those looking for challenge, Pure Hell is a perfect way to waste your time. Doesn't matter if you are downloading/uploading something, waiting for your food to cook, or even just because you are bored...
NOTE: It takes more brains than frame perfection to beat this level. Considering you know how to do it, the boss battles might even be too easy for you! :O
Download link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmrg0u3vc5t9a ... l.lvl?dl=0

Stages: (SPOILER ALERT!)
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Stage 1:
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Probably the hardest one. You have to defeat the 3 bosses.
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Stage 2:
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You have to take out the Bowsers in this one. It's a bloody fire-to-fire match, with only one side left alive!
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Stage 3:
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Sadly, the image here isn't as descriptive as the rest. Basically the airship moves with Lakitu constantly throwing Larry at you.
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Stage 4:
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Three Warts, two Lakitus dropping fishes at you, and two Snifits serving as cannons! This is the final challenge, and trust me, there's no way you can get past this (unless you can turn into rock, I guess... Hey! Forget I said that!)

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:34 pm
by arcade999
Is this like a crazy non-stop chaotic boss rush?

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:36 pm
by PixelPest
There's much better ways to provide a challenge that's actually enjoyable which doesn't involve spamming random bosses

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:44 pm
by Matt_The_Slime
arcade999 wrote:Is this like a crazy non-stop chaotic boss rush?
Yes, except worse

This is not a good level. Boss rushes aren't very good to begin with, and this one certainly isn't. It's not hard for the good reasons, it's hard because enemy spam and bad design. The first room is not the hardest, it is the easiest. I don't know why you would say it's the hardest. The first room is too easy for it's own good. The second room is way too easy as well, as you can just stand in one spot and occasionally jump, and the 3 flowers don't make it hard. The third room is not fun at all. The lakitu throwing Larry's is not a good mechanic, and it makes the section harder than it should be. However, the Larry's don't even stay on the boat because physics. Also, the section is way to long. Waaaay too long. Finally, the last room isn't fun either. The 3 Wart's don't make it fun, and the Tanooki suit makes it way too easy.
Overall, this is not a good level. I would give it a 1/10.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:39 pm
by kr4k1n
enemy spam does not automatically make a level very hard

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:01 am
by Kixubug
This extremely a very hard level, With a lot of bosses and disastrous level design ALOT Of Level Spams The first room was the easiest but when you go to second room it gets worst
but was VERY EASY! The third room was SATANIC because a lot of annoying Lakitu (A.K.A My 3rd Least Favorite Enemy) Throws A lot of Larry Koopa And it's So HORRIBLE! The Final Room is 1000000000 TIMES Worst then the 3rd Room, With 3 FREAKING Warts So here is the verdict.

Design and Execution: F
Creativity and Innovation: F
Aesthetics and Composition: F

Overall: F Rank

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:15 am
by MECHDRAGON777
Honestly, the 4th room looks the easies. The second room, SMB3 Bowser takes 200 hits with a fireflower, so bot fun. I may record this latter, but still. The fourth room actually intreags me. Also, those are Snifits, not Shy Guys.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:06 am
by Benedani
Well, it was supposed to be like a boss rush. And, of course, if you're very good at Mario games, you can beat it kinda easily. But you don't have to give it 1/10 just because it's too hard or kinda easy.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:11 am
by ElectriKong
Benedani wrote:Well, it was supposed to be like a boss rush. And, of course, if you're very good at Mario games, you can beat it kinda easily. But you don't have to give it 1/10 just because it's too hard or kinda easy.
It was given 1/10 for having spam and not being fun.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:24 am
by Benedani
Replying to comments so far:
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MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Honestly, the 4th room looks the easies. The second room, SMB3 Bowser takes 200 hits with a fireflower, so bot fun. I may record this latter, but still. The fourth room actually intreags me. Also, those are Snifits, not Shy Guys.
I get it, and we kinda think similarly. As for the second room, it's more dodging the bowsers' fireballs. Also, I'm not very good with enemy names, so bear with me =P Edited main post.
I'd like to see someone beat this on video. Watching myself play isn't very fun to be honest...
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The101MarioGuy wrote:This extremely a very hard level, With a lot of bosses and disastrous level design ALOT Of Level Spams The first room was the easiest but when you go to second room it gets worst
but was VERY EASY! The third room was SATANIC because a lot of annoying Lakitu (A.K.A My 3rd Least Favorite Enemy) Throws A lot of Larry Koopa And it's So HORRIBLE! The Final Room is 1000000000 TIMES Worst then the 3rd Room, With 3 FREAKING Warts So here is the verdict.
Design and Execution: F
Creativity and Innovation: F
Aesthetics and Composition: F
Overall: F Rank
Giving F because you can't beat it? Hey, I literally said it would be hard, what did you expect?
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Matt_The_Slime wrote:
arcade999 wrote:Is this like a crazy non-stop chaotic boss rush?
Yes, except worse

This is not a good level. Boss rushes aren't very good to begin with, and this one certainly isn't. It's not hard for the good reasons, it's hard because enemy spam and bad design. The first room is not the hardest, it is the easiest. I don't know why you would say it's the hardest. The first room is too easy for it's own good. The second room is way too easy as well, as you can just stand in one spot and occasionally jump, and the 3 flowers don't make it hard. The third room is not fun at all. The lakitu throwing Larry's is not a good mechanic, and it makes the section harder than it should be. However, the Larry's don't even stay on the boat because physics. Also, the section is way to long. Waaaay too long. Finally, the last room isn't fun either. The 3 Wart's don't make it fun, and the Tanooki suit makes it way too easy.
Overall, this is not a good level. I would give it a 1/10.
I, uh... idk what to say. You just wrote an entire paragraph explaining why it's an easy and crappy level, as if boss rushes shouldn't exist and should burn in hell. The hell this level "claims" to be.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:45 am
by IAmPlayer
Pfftt.. Pure Hell? More like Bullshitty Challenge. Also i found the most easiest way to beat / go through these bosses.
Larry and Boom Boom : Use A Lakitu Shoe. Dingus.
SMB1 Bowsers : Use the Shoe again. So simple and ez.
The Lakitu throwing Larry : If you're playing as Toad/Peach, throw the fireballs up. xD gg ez.
Warts and The Snifits : Hammer Suit. Fuck the equipment. Use only dat.
Honestly, i beat this hell using Mario in 3 tries and Peach in 8 tries dues to a fact that Peach can't skip bosses like Boom Boom easier.

EDIT:The first sentence is an Insult. Your welcome.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:22 am
by Benedani
1AmPlayer wrote:Pfftt.. Pure Hell? More like Bullshitty Challenge. Also i found the most easiest way to beat / go through these bosses.
Larry and Boom Boom : Use A Lakitu Shoe. Dingus.
SMB1 Bowsers : Use the Shoe again. So simple and ez.
The Lakitu throwing Larry : If you're playing as Toad/Peach, throw the fireballs up. xD gg ez.
Warts and The Snifits : Hammer Suit. Fuck the equipment. Use only dat.
Honestly, i beat this hell using Mario in 3 tries and Peach in 8 tries dues to a fact that Peach can't skip bosses like Boom Boom easier.

EDIT:The first sentence is an Insult. Your welcome.
You were not supposed to edit the level... Playing as Toad/Peach or using a Lakitu Shoe or a Hammer Suit...

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:26 am
by kr4k1n
Benedani wrote:
1AmPlayer wrote:Pfftt.. Pure Hell? More like Bullshitty Challenge. Also i found the most easiest way to beat / go through these bosses.
Larry and Boom Boom : Use A Lakitu Shoe. Dingus.
SMB1 Bowsers : Use the Shoe again. So simple and ez.
The Lakitu throwing Larry : If you're playing as Toad/Peach, throw the fireballs up. xD gg ez.
Warts and The Snifits : Hammer Suit. Fuck the equipment. Use only dat.
Honestly, i beat this hell using Mario in 3 tries and Peach in 8 tries dues to a fact that Peach can't skip bosses like Boom Boom easier.

EDIT:The first sentence is an Insult. Your welcome.
You were not supposed to edit the level... Playing as Toad/Peach or using a Lakitu Shoe or a Hammer Suit...
but that's like totally the only way you can complete it

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:39 am
by Benedani
practicalshorty014 wrote:
Benedani wrote:
1AmPlayer wrote:Pfftt.. Pure Hell? More like Bullshitty Challenge. Also i found the most easiest way to beat / go through these bosses.
Larry and Boom Boom : Use A Lakitu Shoe. Dingus.
SMB1 Bowsers : Use the Shoe again. So simple and ez.
The Lakitu throwing Larry : If you're playing as Toad/Peach, throw the fireballs up. xD gg ez.
Warts and The Snifits : Hammer Suit. Fuck the equipment. Use only dat.
Honestly, i beat this hell using Mario in 3 tries and Peach in 8 tries dues to a fact that Peach can't skip bosses like Boom Boom easier.

EDIT:The first sentence is an Insult. Your welcome.
You were not supposed to edit the level... Playing as Toad/Peach or using a Lakitu Shoe or a Hammer Suit...
but that's like totally the only way you can complete it
Well, I've done it without editing the level... You just have to find out how to do it. For example, look at how Lakitu throws Larry at you.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 am
by Mr Boboo
Does the level live up to its name? Yes. Is it at all fun? Hell no.

Having room after room of enemy spam isn't a good way to create challenge, it's unfair and a hassle to deal with. If you want to make a boss-rush style level, make bosses interesting - projectile generators, different NPCs, different blocks, etc. - instead of just filling a room with 3 Bowsers like "have fun LOL".

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:56 am
by TDK
Played the level, and I think this does have some potential even if it wasn't very good.
Just like the OP said there's strategy when fighting these bosses. For example the 4th challenge, you can use the shell to damage wart and then get the snifit to kill wart.
However some of the challenges were just terrible, the 3rd challenge went on for far too long and was just tedious. It's easily the worst challenge in the level. It should have ended right after the 3rd boo, or better yet just remove it.

Overall, my advice is to never make a boss drag for too long as it can make it very boring. Also don't spam.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:58 am
by TheTypicalBlock
This doesn't even look hard, it's just spam and nothing else special.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:02 am
by Benedani
TheDinoKing wrote:Played the level, and I think this does have some potential even if it wasn't very good.
Just like the OP said there's strategy when fighting these bosses. For example the 4th challenge, you can use the shell to damage wart and then get the snifit to kill wart.
However some of the challenges were just terrible, the 3rd challenge went on for far too long and was just tedious. It should have ended right after the 3rd boo, or better yet just remove it.

Overall, my advice is to never make a boss drag for too long as it can make it very boring. Also don't spam.
I see. Thank you for the - finally legit - review. It does take a while to get to the end, but I didn't really note that. However, seeing that you have to redo it all over again... I might add this to my episode, but then make it go shorter, and make it slightly more interesting. I'll do a V2 a little later with those changes.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:06 am
by TDK
Benedani wrote:
TheDinoKing wrote:Played the level, and I think this does have some potential even if it wasn't very good.
Just like the OP said there's strategy when fighting these bosses. For example the 4th challenge, you can use the shell to damage wart and then get the snifit to kill wart.
However some of the challenges were just terrible, the 3rd challenge went on for far too long and was just tedious. It should have ended right after the 3rd boo, or better yet just remove it.

Overall, my advice is to never make a boss drag for too long as it can make it very boring. Also don't spam.
I see. Thank you for the - finally legit - review. It does take a while to get to the end, but I didn't really note that. However, seeing that you have to redo it all over again... I might add this to my episode, but then make it go shorter, and make it slightly more interesting. I'll do a V2 a little later with those changes.
I would recommend having a checkpoint after each challenge.
While SMBX only allows one checkpoint per level, if you have LunaLua you can use multiple checkpoints.

Re: Pure Hell (warning: VERY hard!)

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:16 pm
by Mr Boboo
Even if some strategy is involved, boss spam usually isn't fun so it's best to avoid it altogether.