M41: A Cult & a Trainwreck Postgame

Postby **Valentine** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:55 pm

M41: A CULT AND A DRAGON

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People
-Witchking666
-Megar
-PixelPest
-ShadowStarX
-The Waddle Deep
-Witch4
-Danny
-Spondo
-thehelmetguy1
-TheDinoKing
-Cedur
-MosaicMario
-Zeldamanster12
-RSuper
-MECHDRAGON777
-TLTimelord
-Rio
-Uzendayo
-The Thwomp King

here's the role list separately because I'm lazy
-Cedur: GUARDIAN1
-Danny: TOWN
-MECHDRAGON777: DANCER
-Megar: SNIPER
-MosaicMario: TOWN
-PixelPest: TOWN
-RSuper: ARCHMAGE
-Rio: ASSASSIN
-ShadowStarX: MERCENARY
-Spondo: SWORDMASTER
-TLTimelord: APPRENTICE
-TTK: TOWN
-The Waddle Deep: SHAMAN
-TheDinoKing: MILLER
-Thehelmetguy1: TOWN
-Uzendayo: TOWN
-Witch4: SAGE
-Witchking666: TOWN
-Zeldamanster12: DRAGONKIN

Backpups:
-Electriking
-Pseudo
-Nanaya Jakebab
-The101marioguy

Role PMs

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Dark Shaman wrote:You're the Dark Shaman, you can steal someone's powers for 2 full days using your cool dark magic. But if you target someone powerless the spell will backfire and make that person a doublevoter for 2 days.
Your teammates are:
That Guy
Him Aswell
Possibly a girl in there too

Sniper wrote:You're the Sniper, you have 1 arrow, you can shoot it in the center of town to intimidate everyone and make yourself a triple-voter for a day.
Your teammates are:
Somebody arrogant
Passive Power Man
Ness-Wednesday

Assassin wrote:You're the Assassin, due to your stealthy skills, you can check up on who visited a player every night.
Your personal slaves are:
A Water Bottle
#showcase
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Swordmaster wrote:You're the Swordmaster, you can't be nightkilled because you're just that much of a badass.
Your friends are:
Jack
Jim
John

Dancer wrote:You're the Dancer, you can dance for someone to let them use their ability again.

Guardian wrote:You're the Guardian, if you don't do anything during the night, you're immune to nightkills. You can also protect someone every night, if the person getting protected gets nightkilled you die instead and also take down the attacker .

Mercenary wrote:You're the Mercenary, you have the power to kill someone every night, if you kill a townie you turn red for the next night.

Archmage wrote:You're the Archmage, you have the power to see someone's color, twice in the game you can also see a dead person's role.

Apprentice wrote:You're the Apprentice, you are a very creative magic-user so you decided to invent necromancy. If you get nightkilled you can post one more time on the forum topic, but you can't vote in this post.

Sage wrote:You're the Sage, You can protect someone from all power usage every night using your special magic-herb concoctions.

Townsperson wrote:You're a Townie and I'm sorry, also you could be a miller.

Dragonkin wrote:You're the Dragonkin, and you can kill someone every night, at night 2 and 4 you can transform into the incomplete and complete dragon which make you more powerful.

Just you wait I have a lot to say

TDK · Postby **TDK** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:55 pm

We all learnt a valuable lesson.

Postby **ShadowStarX** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:57 pm

PersonNamedUser · Postby **PersonNamedUser** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:59 pm

Welp, lost again i guess

Postby **glitch4** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:01 pm

M42 NOW

PersonNamedUser · Postby **PersonNamedUser** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:02 pm

glitch4 wrote:M42 NOW

Zeldamaster12 · Postby **Zeldamaster12** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:05 pm

After playing like 50+ games, I FINALLY have a third party victory. GG y'all.

PersonNamedUser · Postby **PersonNamedUser** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:09 pm

This is a log about when i was talking with sanct and guessed Pixel was TP and then found out that it was actually ZM,
and also finding out all the remaining scums were in the alliance:

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Postby **Valentine** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:15 pm

this was after he died don't worry

Postby **Julia Pseudo** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:18 pm

Fantastic work from what I can tell, Zeldamaster.

Megar · Postby **Megar** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:22 pm

fuck the alliance lol, killing me without letting me defend myself

Waddle · Postby **Waddle** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:29 pm

Megar wrote:fuck the alliance lol, killing me without letting me defend myself

and then they pulled the exact same thing twice.
Killing on a hunch or scumread is fine but at least give a good reason and allow others to defend themselves; the silent treatment I received was absolutely ridiculous and unfun.

Postby **Julia Pseudo** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:37 pm

Now I know I didn't play this game, and I know that both Megar and Waddle actually were mafia, but refusing to allow an accused player to defend themselves is extremely dumb, even if you're sure they're mafia. Continuing to question an accused player can only help the town, and this game is all about communication.

Postby **glitch4** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:42 pm

Megar wrote:fuck the alliance lol, killing me without letting me defend myself

it's probably a mistake, I wouldn't worry about it

Postby **Witchking666** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:44 pm

Congratulations Zeldamaster on winning as 3rd party, I am glad you won.
This isn't only because I think you deserved the win though. The primary reason is because I don't think the retarded shithole that called itself the town deserved to win. Sanct will probably do a better job at explaining everything when the postgame comes on, but here are my thoughts for the time being.
At first, the game was pretty ok for me. I was annoyed at being a townie in a game like this, mostly because I was hoping to land the dragon or the sniper. This negative behavior almost got me lynched night one. Up until this point everything that happened was my own fault.

This all changed when I was "inspected" by spinda (GG to Spinda, btw) and accepted into the alliance. As soon as I was accepted into the alliance shit started hitting the fan. See, Cedur was being a huge cunt in both his playstyle and attitude throughout the entirety of the game. He was being very condescending towards everyone in the alliance group DM (mostly to Ryaa, Sanct and myself though). After a few phases I was unable to keep my mouth shut and confronted Cedur about his attitude. Cedur was confronted about his condescending attitude and annoying RNG-based playstyle by multiple people. Eventually shroom realized he wasn't going to win the argument and decided to take the cowardly way out. He quit sending messages in the group and started Privately DM'ing me. Immediately I warned him that I wasn't going to talk to him outside of group DM and that, if he kept sending me private DM's, I would share them with the group chat anyway. Needless to say that all of the private DM's Cedur sent were insanely childish and condescending and even contained a threat to call me a hypocrite in public using the TNT-situation as evidence if I were to release his DM's. Even though I warned him I would if he refused to talk to me in group chat. He then decided to just dissapear for a while, only to pop back up the next day to pretend nothing happened. Even if we remove Cedur's attitude from the equation, the alliance was indeed a fucking trainwreck. Everyone except for Ryaa and myself (And spinda and ZM too, but they weren't really town) was following cedur around without questioning anything he said. Everyone just accepted the game was fucked and let Cedur run the show.

I am really surprised that Cedur hasn't recieved any form of punishement from the game masters for his behavior. This was much worse than before, instead of being rude and using meta-tactics shroom decided to outright threathen me and use Random Number Generators as a playstyle. Which to me, is just unacceptable.

TDK · Postby **TDK** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:50 pm

Witchking666 wrote: Everyone except for Ryaa and myself (And spinda and ZM too, but they weren't really town) was following cedur around without questioning anything he said. Everyone just accepted the game was fucked and let Cedur run the show.

Ryaa wasn't town either.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:54 pm

I am not happy at all.

Over the course of this entire game, Pseudo and I have received countless complaints about "so-and-so did this!", and these complaints have come from both sides. First it was about Cedur acting like a dictator for the Town alliance, then it was people saying he was pathologically lying, and then there were people complaining about the people complaining about him. I have also heard that Sanct was supposedly badgering people on how they play, and was attacking Cedur in the Town alliance, and what I gathered in #mafia, neither the Mafia nor the Town alliance want their chat logs posted, which is pretty suspicious.

I have heard from several people already who have admitted to at some point that this game was not fun for them, and the reasons were varying from the issues with Cedur, to issues with the host, as well as a couple of other small insignificant details. On top of this, I have received several logs where I have seen Sanct intermingling with the alliances/communications, providing comments and skepticism. This is not allowed for the host to do whatsoever, as it can sway the players to think differently, and can majorly affect the game if the host does potentially leak information.

The attitudes and tones expressed by everyone this entire game have been rather toxic, tense, and uncalled for, such as with MosaicMario and Sanct talking about RSuper. The way people acted and talked to and about other players is completely nasty, and while you can express an edge in Mafia, you do not need to be this hostile or condescending, at all. Most of the strategies in this game, such as with the lynch of Waddle Derp that had no real reason at all, and hearing that when Waddle Derp asked Cedur about it, Cedur told him nothing, have been extremely poor. People need to think out their strategies better, and should not come up with ridiculous things like threatening other players, or acting like sheep and jumping on a bandwagon because it's being driven by a well-known player.

Mafia is supposed to be a fun and exhilarating game, but I have heard nothing but complaints about the game not being fun and "so-and-so didn't make it fun". You have all contributed to this game being a mess, and you can't point fingers at specific people for causing all of the faults of this game, because everyone had a hand in it. The only punishment being handed out to all of you is extreme disappointment, and I feel that is the worst form of punishment imaginable. In reality, unless someone drops a major bombshell, no formal punishments/game bans are being handed out to anyone, but if any of these poor strategies, such as the ones conducted by Cedur in the Town alliance, are seen again, I will not hesitate to personally punish you for this.

PixelPest · Postby **PixelPest** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:56 pm

Yeah Cedur's usually an ass; that's just his play-style.

This game was a good laugh though. And well done ZM with a TP win btw

Megar · Postby **Megar** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:16 pm

I'm not taking any blame for this, I did everything I could to make this a good game and then stayed quiet
You can't just throw the blame on everyone

Postby **ShadowStarX** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:19 pm

Megar wrote:I'm not taking any blame for this, I did everything I could to make this a good game and then stayed quiet
You can't just throw the blame on everyone

I mean the mafiosi did nothing wrong.
Like, none of the 4.