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[17:56] <Zeldamaster12> Spinda
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[17:57] <Spinda> zm
[17:57] <TNTtimelord> hello fellers
[17:57] <TNTtimelord> uh
[17:57] <TNTtimelord> so zlaker has KINDA quit the game and I
[17:57] <TNTtimelord> m filling for him
[17:58] <Zeldamaster12> alright
[17:58] <Zeldamaster12> anyways spinda do you really think mivixion is stupid enough to convert me
[17:58] <Spinda> idk
[17:58] <TNTtimelord> I'll show you guys logs
[17:58] <Spinda> yeah ik tnt
[17:58] <Zeldamaster12> trust me on this spinda
[17:58] <Spinda> <Spinda> Joey when will zlaker get subbed?
[17:58] <Spinda> <Spinda> He requested it long ago and afaik TNT was alright with replacing him
[17:58] <Zeldamaster12> im not the wolf
[17:58] <Spinda> hmm
[17:58] <Spinda> still
[17:58] <Zeldamaster12> let me use my potion on someone tonight
[17:59] <Zeldamaster12> if it doesnt work, feel free to lynch me tomorrow
[17:59] <TNTtimelord> pastebin so xanos doesn't rekt me
[17:59] <TNTtimelord>
http://pastebin.com/gtHRnRjz
[17:59] <Spinda> but what good would that do
[17:59] <Spinda> i mean you could just say that your target wasnt a wolf
[17:59] <Zeldamaster12> if i use my potion on someone we come to a conclusion to and the person happens to be the wolf, that should prove my innocence
[18:00] <Spinda> of course
[18:00] <Zeldamaster12> even then mivixion confirmed as the original wolf so we dont have to worry about anymore converting
[18:01] <Zeldamaster12> spinda: Ya there
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[18:03] <Spinda_> what'd I miss
[18:03] <Zeldamaster12> [18:00] <Zeldamaster12> even then mivixion confirmed as the original wolf so we dont have to worry about anymore converting
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[18:04] <Spinda> not necessarily confirmed
[18:04] <Spinda> it's just highly likely
[18:04] <Zeldamaster12> Every night phase, starting on Night 2
[18:04] <Zeldamaster12> the wolf can convert starting on night 2
[18:04] <Zeldamaster12> meaning he cannot convert on night 1
[18:04] <Spinda> yes
[18:04] <Spinda> so..?
[18:04] <Zeldamaster12> its currently night 3
[18:05] <Spinda> so..?
[18:05] <Zeldamaster12> or ehh hold that thought
[18:05] <Spinda> we got 2 wolves atm
[18:05] <Zeldamaster12> ya i guess you're right, mivixion could've been converted
[18:05] <Spinda> and it'll hopefully stay that way
[18:05] <TNTtimelord> can someone fill me in on what has happened so far this game
[18:05] <Zeldamaster12> but due to his general behavior in the game, i'd say he was the original
[18:05] <Spinda> yeaj
[18:06] <Spinda> TNTtimelord: a lot of things happened, I'd say read the first few and last few pages
[18:06] <Spinda> inbetween not much happened
[18:06] <Spinda> you should still read the whole thing though
[18:07] <Zeldamaster12> spinda: please just trust me here
[18:07] <Zeldamaster12> let me use my potion on someone tonight
[18:07] <Zeldamaster12> if i get lucky, it'll be a wolf
[18:07] <Spinda> but I mean on who
[18:07] <Zeldamaster12> if it's not a wolf, you have every right to lynch me
[18:07] <Zeldamaster12> im not sure yet
[18:07] <Zeldamaster12> thats why i said to discuss it
[18:08] <Zeldamaster12> and when we reach a final verdict, thats who i'll use my potion on
[18:08] <Spinda> Why should we let you throw a potion on the suspicious playee
[18:08] <Spinda> if we could just as well lynch him today
[18:08] <Zeldamaster12> im the suspicious one in your eyes, correct
[18:09] <Spinda> and I mean assuming someone else behaves suspicipusly now
[18:09] <Spinda> we could just lynch him instead
[18:09] <Spinda> and you'd have no one to use your potion on
[18:11] <Zeldamaster12> there's more than one person that could be a potential wolf
[18:11] <Spinda> ofc
[18:11] <Zeldamaster12> im thinking either pseudo or ppx
[18:11] <Spinda> but we should find him in due time
[18:11] <Zeldamaster12> since they're both good players but havent really been fighting with mivixion
[18:11] <Spinda> didnt pseudo vote mivi?
[18:11] <Zeldamaster12> yes
[18:11] <Zeldamaster12> but he didnt full-on argue with him or anything
[18:12] <Spinda> oh and that was d1 afaik
[18:12] <Zeldamaster12> let's say that pseudo is the wolf. if pseudo voted for mivi at that time, he'd be a human
[18:12] <Spinda> so if mivi was the original pseudo couldnt have been the wolf by that
[18:12] <Spinda> but I mean
[18:12] <Spinda> that is p much just the argument I'm using on you atm
[18:12] <Spinda> you can't just use that same argument on someone else
[18:13] <Spinda> actually it's even stronger on you bc your change of behavior
[18:13] <Zeldamaster12> change of behavior...?
[18:13] <Zeldamaster12> how exactly
[18:13] <Spinda> yeaj
[18:13] <Spinda> d1 you fought him pretty hard
[18:13] <Spinda> later you were just like "I'll keep an eye on you"' all the time
[18:13] <Spinda> without actually doing anything substantial
[18:14] <Zeldamaster12> n1 he called a bluff saying for people to use a potion on him
[18:14] <Zeldamaster12> i guess i fell for the bluff
[18:14] <Spinda> but that was n1
[18:14] <Zeldamaster12> yeah, and?
[18:14] <Spinda> that doesnt justify your change of behavior from d1to the next days
[18:14] <Spinda> *d1 to
[18:14] <Zeldamaster12> ive always been suspicious of mivi
[18:15] <Spinda> yes
[18:15] <Spinda> but d1 you really pushed against him
[18:15] <Zeldamaster12> everyone else was voting for glitch4 on d2
[18:15] <Spinda> d2 and onwards you were a lot less aggressive
[18:15] <Zeldamaster12> so there was not really any getting mivi out
[18:15] <Spinda> wasnt the only other person voting for glitch4 mivi
[18:15] <Zeldamaster12> d1 i tried to get everyone off of bloodedge but no one would listen
[18:16] <Zeldamaster12> no, others voted for glitch4 iirc
[18:16] <Zeldamaster12> huh guess not
[18:17] <Zeldamaster12> ohh now i see why i went ahead and voted for glitch4
[18:17] <Spinda> but thats irrelevant
[18:17] <Spinda> assuming that mivi was the original you wouldve been human on d1 anyway
[18:17] <Zeldamaster12> If we don't lynch, we won't win at all. I'd rather myself be lynched in the name of progress than nothing happen at all and humans end up losing.
[18:17] <Spinda> but thats irrelevant
[18:17] <Spinda> assuming that mivi was the original you wouldve been human on d1 anyway
[18:17] <Spinda> f
[18:17] <Zeldamaster12> yeah
[18:17] <Spinda> phone plsss
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[18:19] <Zeldamaster12> spinda ya there
[18:19] <Spinda> ye
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[18:20] <Spinda> its just that my internet sucks a lot atm
[18:20] <Zeldamaster12> ah
[18:20] <Zeldamaster12> well
[18:20] <Spinda> so my messages take forever to get sent
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[18:20] <Zeldamaster12> memory has been a bit foggy but after looking into it glitch4 actually was suspicious
[18:21] <Spinda> yee
[18:21] <Zeldamaster12> mivi said thiks
[18:21] <Zeldamaster12> The reason people are suspicious of me is because I voted for you under a pretense that also applied to me. glitch4 just did the same.
[18:21] <Zeldamaster12> he had a good point even if he was the wolf
[18:21] <Spinda> but I mean if you voted Mivi you'd have a higher chance of getting rid of the original wolf
[18:21] <Spinda> bc if he was a wolf he had to have been the original
[18:21] <Zeldamaster12> also fyi i was going to go for mivi this day phase after i saw glitch4 was an innocent but well, mivi kinda died lol
[18:22] <Zeldamaster12> dunno if i pointed that out or not
[18:22] <Spinda> but I mean
[18:22] <Zeldamaster12> also we could've had mivi day 1, but people were idiots and went for bloodedge knowing he always acts like this
[18:22] <Spinda> everyone could say that now
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[18:22] <Spinda> why do you keep bringing up d1
[18:23] <Spinda> its irrelevant to your role p much
[18:23] <Zeldamaster12> how so lol
[18:23] <Zeldamaster12> d1 is still p relevant as i see it
[18:23] <Spinda> assuming mivi was the original
[18:23] <Spinda> you were human on d1 either way
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[18:24] <Zeldamaster12> everyone but mivi was human in that case
[18:24] <Spinda> yes
[18:24] <Zeldamaster12> since n2 is when conversions begin
[18:24] <Spinda> so as I said
[18:24] <Spinda> d1 is irrelevant if mivi is the original
[18:24] <Zeldamaster12> you're the one claiming i had a change in behavior
[18:24] <Zeldamaster12> so im trying to explain why
[18:25] <Spinda> at least if you argue that someone was human that day
[18:25] <Spinda> yes
[18:25] <Spinda> but I'm looking at d1 -> d2
[18:25] <Zeldamaster12> d2 mivi had a compelling argument about glitch4
[18:25] <Spinda> not just saying "I did this on d1 so I'm human"
[18:25] <Zeldamaster12> i took the bait i guess
[18:26] <Spinda> brb
[18:26] <Zeldamaster12> point is glitch4 is one of those inactive players so he was in no place to say to vote off inactives if he himself is also rather inactive
[18:26] <Zeldamaster12> k
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[18:26] <Spinda> but I mean if glitch4 is suspicious for the same reason as mivi
[18:27] <Spinda> id always vote for mivi in that case
[18:27] <Spinda> bc he's more likely to be the original
[18:27] <Spinda> bc mivi's "slip-up" occured d1
[18:27] <Zeldamaster12> i know mivi slipped up d1
[18:27] <Zeldamaster12> like i said we could've had him if people wouldnt have went for bloodedge out of nowhere
[18:28] <Spinda> I mean why glitch4 over mivi
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> here i'll explain
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> mivi had a compelling argument about glitch4 like i said
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> well
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> we would lynch glitch4
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> if he was the wolf, mivi would be innocent
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> if he was human (which he was), mivi would be the wolf
[18:28] <Spinda> but his argument about glitch4 would just as well apply to mivi himself
[18:28] <Zeldamaster12> therefore allowing us to go for him the next day
[18:29] <TNTtimelord> bloodedge is ALWAYS suspicious and he's almost never mafia
[18:29] <Zeldamaster12> i know lol
[18:29] <Zeldamaster12> i know spinda
[18:29] <TNTtimelord> and he's ALWAYS lynched
[18:29] <TNTtimelord> you'd think we'd learn from our mistakes eventually
[18:29] <Zeldamaster12> thats why i wanted to give mivi the benefit of the doubt to see if he's a wolf or human
[18:29] <Spinda> actually, yes
[18:29] <TNTtimelord> I need to make another mafia game so I can make Bloodedge a blue
[18:29] <Zeldamaster12> if glitch4 was a wolf it'd confirm mivi human
[18:29] <Zeldamaster12> if glitch4 was human it would confirm mivi as wolf
[18:29] <Spinda> sure
[18:30] <TNTtimelord> and watch him get lynched just so people will learn their lessons that Bloodedge is always like that
[18:30] <Spinda> but mivi was more likely to be a wolf
[18:30] <Zeldamaster12> tnt they should know by now lol
[18:30] <TNTtimelord> and that it's no longer his fault and our fault for not paying enough attention
[18:30] <TNTtimelord> to how he is
[18:30] <Zeldamaster12> i know spinda
[18:30] <Zeldamaster12> like i said i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt
[18:30] <Spinda> but tnt that already happened
[18:30] <Spinda> and he claimed his role
[18:30] <Spinda> and didnt get lynched
[18:30] <Spinda> also I wouldn't say it's oir fault if he's suspicious
[18:30] <Zeldamaster12> to see if there was that small chance that mivi was actually human and he just slipped up on mistake
[18:31] <Spinda> but I mean if mivi's more likely to be a wolf
[18:31] <Spinda> why lynch the one that's more likely to be human
[18:31] <Spinda> it's a bigger loss
[18:31] <Zeldamaster12> glitch4 made the same mistake mivi did
[18:31] <Zeldamaster12> saying to vote for someone that is doing the same thing he is
[18:32] <Zeldamaster12> mivi made the mistake by voting for me over game misunderstanding when he also done the same
[18:32] <Zeldamaster12> glitch4 said to vote for inactives when he himself is also rather inactive
[18:32] <Zeldamaster12> so the chances of one or the other being the wolf with that logic is 50/50
[18:32] <Zeldamaster12> since they made the SAME slip-up
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[18:36] <Spinda> yes
[18:36] <Spinda> but the chances of mivi being the original were higher
[18:36] <Spinda> and that one's obviously our priority
[18:37] <Spinda> bc mivi slipped up when there was only the original wolf
[18:38] <Zeldamaster12> sorry for afk was writing something
[18:38] <Zeldamaster12> anyways
[18:38] <Zeldamaster12> yes mivi was more suspicious due to the slip-up on d1
[18:39] <Zeldamaster12> but mivi was doing a really good job at defending himself, calling to all humans to use their potion on him, and making an organized suspicion list
[18:39] <Spinda> no thats not my point
[18:39] <Spinda> I agree that they were about the same level of suspicion
[18:39] <Zeldamaster12> i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt because there was still that small chance that he's human
[18:39] <Spinda> but mivi was more likely to be the original
[18:39] <Zeldamaster12> for all we know mivi could've simply made an honest mistake
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[18:40] <Spinda> but I mean
[18:40] <Zeldamaster12> of course the chances are higher that it wasnt an honest mistake but there was a small chance
[18:40] <Spinda> glitch4 could've also just made a honest mistake
[18:40] <Zeldamaster12> exactly
[18:40] <Spinda> they were both equally suspicious
[18:40] <Spinda> no matter how you put it
[18:40] <Spinda> but as I said
[18:40] <Zeldamaster12> thats why i wanted to lynch off glitch4 first to see if mivi was the wolf or not
[18:41] <Spinda> assuming either of them was the wolf
[18:41] <Spinda> mivi was more likely to be the original
[18:41] <Zeldamaster12> if glitch4 was the wolf mivi was human. if glitch4 was human mivi would be the wolf
[18:41] <Zeldamaster12> we'd be killing two birds with one stone
[18:41] <Spinda> so what you did by voting glitch4 was giving the original a higher chance to bite another one
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[18:41] <Zeldamaster12> getting rid of both suspicious players and finding the real one in the process
[18:41] <Spinda> if all wolves were equal
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[18:41] <Spinda> then it wouldn't matter who we lynch
[18:42] <Spinda> both would be about equal situations
[18:42] <Zeldamaster12> glitch4 could have been the wolf
[18:42] <Spinda> but as I said
[18:42] <Zeldamaster12> we didnt know that
[18:42] <Spinda> thats what I'm saying
[18:42] <Spinda> by itself, both situations would be exactly equal
[18:42] <Spinda> but the thing is
[18:42] <Zeldamaster12> i agree, it would've been better to vote for mivi instead
[18:42] <Spinda> assuming either was a wolf
[18:42] <Zeldamaster12> but if i did i expected the tables to turn against me
[18:42] <Spinda> mivi would be more likely to be the original
[18:43] <Zeldamaster12> since glitch4 WAS suspicious, i had a feeling people would stick to mivi's theory
[18:43] <Spinda> who says you expected that
[18:43] <Zeldamaster12> and if i went against that, i'd be the suspicious one
[18:43] <Spinda> you could've argued that both were equally suspicious
[18:43] <Zeldamaster12> i saw somewhat trust being built up with mivi and other players
[18:44] <Zeldamaster12> i guess i could've put up that argument lol
[18:44] <Spinda> but mivi was more likely to be the original if he was the wolf
[18:44] <Spinda> going by the facts
[18:44] <Zeldamaster12> you're right
[18:44] <Spinda> both were equally suspicipus
[18:44] <Spinda> so yeaj
[18:44] <Zeldamaster12> guess i just didnt play it right
[18:44] <Spinda> you still gotta find that other player to lynch though
[18:44] <Zeldamaster12> i know
[18:44] <Zeldamaster12> im assuming your vote stands on me correct
[18:45] <Spinda> yes
[18:45] <Zeldamaster12> the thing is it'd be stupid to just lynch off a random player
[18:45] <Spinda> and since it's 12:44 am idk how long I'll be still around
[18:45] <Zeldamaster12> in my eyes the wolf could either be ppx, pseudo, or streetzero
[18:45] <Spinda> since we do have a target for now, yes, that'd be dumb
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[18:45] <Zeldamaster12> there's only a small chance that i could actually get the right one
[18:45] <Spinda> good thing is
[18:46] <Spinda> we hopefully won't have to fear bites anymore
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> but if i mess up and end up lynching a human then of course people will expect me to be the wolf
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> im almost positive mivi was the original wolf
[18:46] <Spinda> yeaj
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> anyways
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> let's say you dont think im suspicious
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> who else do you find at least somewhat suspicious
[18:46] <Spinda> it wouldn't make sense for the wolf to bite mivi after what he pulled d1
[18:46] <Spinda> hmm
[18:46] <Spinda> problem is
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> that you would go as far as to vote for the person
[18:47] <Spinda> about half the players are lurkers atm
[18:47] <Spinda> or at least 3
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> p much
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> like i said
[18:47] <Spinda> so we got 5 active players
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> i doubt mivi would convert an inactive
[18:47] <Spinda> rule out me
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> considering how the inactive would literally do no good in trying to win for the wolves
[18:47] <Spinda> and you if we wanna go by your theort
[18:47] <Spinda> *theory
[18:47] <Spinda> there's 3 left
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> so yeah
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> ppx, streetzero, and pseudo
[18:48] <Spinda> and of those I'd probably say that... Streetzero is most suspicious
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> me too
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> but wait
[18:48] <Spinda> he's out there enough to not be too obvious
[18:48] <Spinda> but still seems somewhat competent
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> didnt mivi try to pin the suspicion on streetzero after the converting happened
[18:49] <Zeldamaster12> hold on let me check the post times
[18:49] <Spinda> hmm
[18:49] <Spinda> right
[18:49] <Spinda> could've been a bus
[18:49] <Spinda> but I mean he never picked up on that suspicion afterwards
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> but why would he try to pin the suspicion on someone he's trying to convert?
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> that makes no sense
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> oh btw while its on my mind after we're done talking should i send this convo to joey via pm
[18:50] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to back thej
[18:50] <Spinda> yeah do that
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> aight
[18:51] <Spinda> I'm on irccloud atm and you can't really copy logs there
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> [18:50] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to back thej
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> whats thej lol
[18:51] <Spinda> *then
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> what do you mean by "plan to back then"
[18:52] <Zeldamaster12> do you mean "plan that far ahead"?
[18:52] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to do that back than
[18:52] <Spinda> that's how I meant it
[18:53] <Zeldamaster12> oh i see
[18:53] <Zeldamaster12> it's possible
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> i guess i'll vote for streetzero again
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> oops
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> not again
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> meant THEN
[18:54] <Spinda> if ya think so
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> anyways could i just post part of this log as me backing up why im voting for streetzero
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> or is that a dumb idea
[18:54] <Spinda> still think that you're more suspicious
[18:54] <Spinda> do that
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> alright
[18:55] <Spinda> also I feel like Pseudo might actually be a bit suspicious as well, but it's not really much
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> copying from this down
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> [18:46] <Zeldamaster12> let's say you dont think im suspicious
[18:55] <Spinda> when I interrogated him last night
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> yeah i can see why pseudo would be a target for wolfing but i think streetzero is more suspicious
[18:55] <Spinda> he was kinda quick to say I'm human
[18:55] <Spinda> that's something wolves are quick to say imo
