M21: Lone Wolf

[Zeldamaster12]

If you feel like using it, go ahead. So that means that all the others probably shouldn't use their potions next night if ZM's gonna use it. Although I'd prefer it if someone who's more universally trusted would use it.

I'm wanting to use my potion on a potential Wolf to prove my innocence, but I want us all to reach a final verdict on who I should use it on first.

Thing is: Most of the users that aren't obvious choices are inactive. Pretty much the only players that'd really fit these criteria would be PPX and Streezero maybe.

Maybe it could be one of them then?

[RudeGuy]

For all we know, Mivixion could've made Spinda a Wolf since he's pretty much a ringleader here if you will.

But Spinda used his potion last night and it seems like nobody else did. This pretty much makes him a human.

[Zeldamaster12]

I'm wondering if the potion still goes into effect if the player gets converted overnight.

[RudeGuy]

- Bites take priority over potion usage.

[Zeldamaster12]

Ah, well alrighty then. Spinda is confirmed Human.

[underFlo]

I'll post a suspicion list in a little while, by the way.

I'll post a suspicion list too soon, [...]

pls do so soon.

Until then, Zeldamaster12 is the one I'd lynch for the reasons I've already stated.

[Zeldamaster12]

Your lynch reason is understandable, but come on. You know Mivixion isn't stupid enough to Wolf the most obvious choice (which would be me).

[Zeldamaster12]

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[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> anyways
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> let's say you dont think im suspicious
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> who else do you find at least somewhat suspicious
[18:46] <Spinda> it wouldn't make sense for the wolf to bite mivi after what he pulled d1
[18:46] <Spinda> hmm
[18:46] <Spinda> problem is
[18:46] <Zeldamaster12> that you would go as far as to vote for the person
[18:47] <Spinda> about half the players are lurkers atm
[18:47] <Spinda> or at least 3
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> p much
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> like i said
[18:47] <Spinda> so we got 5 active players
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> i doubt mivi would convert an inactive
[18:47] <Spinda> rule out me
[18:47] <Zeldamaster12> considering how the inactive would literally do no good in trying to win for the wolves
[18:47] <Spinda> and you if we wanna go by your theort
[18:47] <Spinda> *theory
[18:47] <Spinda> there's 3 left
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> so yeah
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> ppx, streetzero, and pseudo
[18:48] <Spinda> and of those I'd probably say that... Streetzero is most suspicious
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> me too
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> but wait
[18:48] <Spinda> he's out there enough to not be too obvious
[18:48] <Spinda> but still seems somewhat competent
[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> didnt mivi try to pin the suspicion on streetzero after the converting happened
[18:49] <Zeldamaster12> hold on let me check the post times
[18:49] <Spinda> hmm
[18:49] <Spinda> right
[18:49] <Spinda> could've been a bus
[18:49] <Spinda> but I mean he never picked up on that suspicion afterwards
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> but why would he try to pin the suspicion on someone he's trying to convert?
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> that makes no sense
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> oh btw while its on my mind after we're done talking should i send this convo to joey via pm
[18:50] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to back thej
[18:50] <Spinda> yeah do that
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> aight
[18:51] <Spinda> I'm on irccloud atm and you can't really copy logs there
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> [18:50] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to back thej
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> whats thej lol
[18:51] <Spinda> *then
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> what do you mean by "plan to back then"
[18:52] <Zeldamaster12> do you mean "plan that far ahead"?
[18:52] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to do that back than
[18:52] <Spinda> that's how I meant it
[18:53] <Zeldamaster12> oh i see
[18:53] <Zeldamaster12> it's possible
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> i guess i'll vote for streetzero then
[18:54] <Spinda> if ya think so

With that, Steetzero.

[Streetzero]

I can only really say that I'm not a wolf. If Mivixion was going to pin it on me prior, there would be little reason to bite me after it. He'd only be putting himself on the losing side by making me seem suspicious right off the bat if he made me a wolf.

That said, I feel that you're trying to pin it on me without any substantial reason. While I'm not sure if that's just trying to find a lead, it really does strike me as suspicious. Therefore, my lynch vote goes to Zeldamaster12.

[Zeldamaster12]

Read this part of the log a bit more closely:

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[18:48] <Zeldamaster12> didnt mivi try to pin the suspicion on streetzero after the converting happened
[18:49] <Zeldamaster12> hold on let me check the post times
[18:49] <Spinda> hmm
[18:49] <Spinda> right
[18:49] <Spinda> could've been a bus
[18:49] <Spinda> but I mean he never picked up on that suspicion afterwards
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> but why would he try to pin the suspicion on someone he's trying to convert?
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> that makes no sense
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> oh btw while its on my mind after we're done talking should i send this convo to joey via pm
[18:50] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to back thej
[18:50] <Spinda> yeah do that
[18:50] <Zeldamaster12> aight
[18:51] <Spinda> I'm on irccloud atm and you can't really copy logs there
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> [18:50] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to back thej
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> whats thej lol
[18:51] <Spinda> *then
[18:51] <Zeldamaster12> what do you mean by "plan to back then"
[18:52] <Zeldamaster12> do you mean "plan that far ahead"?
[18:52] <Spinda> maybe he didn't plan to do that back than
[18:52] <Spinda> that's how I meant it
[18:53] <Zeldamaster12> oh i see
[18:53] <Zeldamaster12> it's possible
[18:54] <Zeldamaster12> i guess i'll vote for streetzero then
[18:54] <Spinda> if ya think so

Spinda's confirmed human and I know I'm not a Wolf, so it has to be either you, PPX, or Pseudo. Aside from Spinda's suspicion about me, he said you're the most suspicious as well.

Like Spinda said, he might've not planned to convert you when he was pinning the suspicion against you.

[Streetzero]

I think you missed my point. Whether he planned or not, he strikes me as intelligent enough as to not bite someone he just tried to make everyone suspicious of. How would that help him in the slightest?

And I know I'm not a wolf either, but that doesn't mean you're going to believe me. That's something of a poor defense.

[Zeldamaster12]

I think you missed my point. Whether he planned or not, he strikes me as intelligent enough as to not bite someone he just tried to make everyone suspicious of. How would that help him in the slightest?

Wouldn't the same go for me in this situation?

[Streetzero]

That's a fair point, actually. That leaves us both in an awkward situation. It'd be silly for him to target either of us. Which means one of us is lying (and now I'm starting to doubt that) or he bit someone else completely.

[Zeldamaster12]

Like I said, it has to be either you, PPX, or Pseudo. He wouldn't go for an inactive if he was smart, Spinda's confirmed Human since he used his potion to kill Mivixion, and I know I'm Human (I know it's not completely believable but still).

I don't want to vote for someone based on complete assumptions and nothing else (which is what would happen if I voted for PPX or Pseudo at the moment). There's actually a somewhat lead against you, Streetzero, but you bring up a good point. I'd say there's a smaller chance of him biting you anyways than there is him biting Pseudo or PPX.

Spinda and I also briefly discussed Pseudo as well. Here's a log for that (bolding the important parts):

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[18:55] <Spinda> also I feel like Pseudo might actually be a bit suspicious as well, but it's not really much
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> copying from this down
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> [18:46] <Zeldamaster12> let's say you dont think im suspicious
[18:55] <Spinda> when I interrogated him last night
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> yeah i can see why pseudo would be a target for wolfing but i think streetzero is more suspicious
[18:55] <Spinda> he was kinda quick to say I'm human
[18:55] <Spinda> that's something wolves are quick to say imo

So if Spinda interrogated Pseudo and he acted rather jumpy and suspicious, I'd say the chances of him being a Wolf is bigger than you being a Wolf.

Changing vote from Streetzero to Pseudo-dino

[underFlo]

Like I said, it has to be either you, PPX, or Pseudo. He wouldn't go for an inactive if he was smart, Spinda's confirmed Human since he used his potion to kill Mivixion, and I know I'm Human (I know it's not completely believable but still).

I don't want to vote for someone based on complete assumptions and nothing else (which is what would happen if I voted for PPX or Pseudo at the moment). There's actually a somewhat lead against you, Streetzero, but you bring up a good point. I'd say there's a smaller chance of him biting you anyways than there is him biting Pseudo or PPX.

Spinda and I also briefly discussed Pseudo as well. Here's a log for that (bolding the important parts):

Spoiler: show

[18:55] <Spinda> also I feel like Pseudo might actually be a bit suspicious as well, but it's not really much
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> copying from this down
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> [18:46] <Zeldamaster12> let's say you dont think im suspicious
[18:55] <Spinda> when I interrogated him last night
[18:55] <Zeldamaster12> yeah i can see why pseudo would be a target for wolfing but i think streetzero is more suspicious
[18:55] <Spinda> he was kinda quick to say I'm human
[18:55] <Spinda> that's something wolves are quick to say imo

So if Spinda interrogated Pseudo and he acted rather jumpy and suspicious, I'd say the chances of him being a Wolf is bigger than you being a Wolf.

Changing vote from Streetzero to Pseudo-dino

Keep in mind though that this is really not much and imo by far notnenough to warrant a lynch.

Also my vote stays on ZM bc his behavior change from D1 to D2 only really makes sense if he got bitten. We actually discussed that on irc as well, but IRCCloud can't copy logs.

[Zeldamaster12]

I already justified why I had this "behavior change", believe me or don't.

I know, it was a much better idea to vote for Mivixion, but I wanted to give Mivixion the benefit of the doubt as if he had that small chance of being Human in him. If glitch4 were the Wolf, Mivixion would've been innocent. If glitch4 were a Human (which he was), then Mivixion would've been the Wolf (which he was), and I would've pushed to vote for him the following day.

Spinda and I agreed that Mivixion and glitch4 had the same amount of suspicion since they both made the same mistake, Mivixion's being voting for me over a game misunderstanding when he done the exact same thing and glitch4's being how he said we should vote for inactives when he himself is rather inactive as well. Mivixion was doing a pretty good job defending himself with the suspicion list and trying to interrogate people and all that, so I wanted to give him a chance to prove his innocence. I would've went to vote for him this Day phase, but well, he died. I suppose it would've been a better idea to simply vote for Mivixion from the get-go since like Spinda said, I could've used the argument "Mivixion's doing the same thing as glitch4 and he was more suspicious prior", but I guess my downfall is trying to give Mivixion the benefit of the doubt.

[underFlo]

The reason Mivi's earlier slipup was important is bc if he'd been the wolf, he would've been way more lilely to be the original since he slipped up at a time where there was only the original wolf.

[Zeldamaster12]

Yeah, that's why I should've voted for Mivixion instead of glitch4.

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