Mafia Discussion

[ElectriKong]

One idea I did see floating around that I do want to touch upon a bit more though is the use of some sort of anonymous voting, where someone that wants to submit their game to vote would PM it to the gamemasters, who would then review it and anonymously put it up onto the thread for public viewing before voting period, that way the game hosts are never given away. The only con I see to this is that people may pull their own games from the game concept thread and it will just make the entire system useless. One thing I can see this eliminating however is the slight essence of negativity that comes when certain people are presented with the ability to host, one glaring example of this I can give is Mechdragon. While his games certainly are authentic and familiar to him, I've noticed that they're all fairly balanced for the most part, it's just that no one wants to vote for him as a host.
While this can lead to undesirable hosts, I think we need to give everyone the potential before we can start making assumptions. If there are undesirable or bad hosts, I think we should implement some form of restriction or penalty (punishment is too strong of a word and doesn't fit really) if the majority agrees that the host wasn't all that good, though this is just based off of pure judgment and hoping that people are honest.

I looked at some old Mafia host sign-ups for some of the earlier games I it appears that there was a system similar to this before.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Danny's idea could solve the bias in mafia, I would like to see it

[Cedur]

GMs just need to consider if someone is active, experienced and reliable enough to host. People not voting for someone to be host is not the same as someone being undesirable as a host.

I definitely second anonymity, though thing is that all previously submitted games can't be resubbed then, so do one or two more rounds for games floating in the Game Concept Thread before, and anonymity would also extend to people posting in the Game Concept Thread.

[PixelPest]

May be an interesting idea, however I often don't vote completely on the game itself, but also often on who I think will run a fun game. I know many people's styles and all and have some preferences in that sense too. Also, a lot of people resubmit games or have their own formatting style (MECHDRAGON777) or game style (Nien) that would be easy to pick out

[ShadowStarX]

I definitely second anonymity, though thing is that all previously submitted games can't be resubbed then, so do one or two more rounds for games floating in the Game Concept Thread before, and anonymity would also extend to people posting in the Game Concept Thread.

So do you mean that the game masters would reveal the games to the public in the game concept thread and people could give feedback on it?

[Cedur]

yeah, that.

and if people want to be as anonymous as possible, all they need to do is sticking to standard formatting.

[MECHDRAGON777]

May be an interesting idea, however I often don't vote completely on the game itself, but also often on who I think will run a fun game. I know many people's styles and all and have some preferences in that sense too. Also, a lot of people resubmit games or have their own formatting style (MECHDRAGON777) or game style (Nien) that would be easy to pick out

Is that me being singled out? Also, what do you mean I have my own formatting style? The resubmissions are because I have never hosted and think it is a good idea.

[Thehelmetguy1]

How to identify mech's games:
It is related to Touhou

[PixelPest]

May be an interesting idea, however I often don't vote completely on the game itself, but also often on who I think will run a fun game. I know many people's styles and all and have some preferences in that sense too. Also, a lot of people resubmit games or have their own formatting style (MECHDRAGON777) or game style (Nien) that would be easy to pick out

Is that me being singled out? Also, what do you mean I have my own formatting style?

• Long acronyms
• (At least previously) green text
• Non-standard colour schemes
• Unneeded clarifications about messages
• Over-complicating things
• Touhou references
• Changing the phase names
• Use of classic mechanics that no one else uses since they come up with their own (such as ballot box and last wills)
• Etc.

[PersonNamedUser]

I know it happened nearly a year ago, but i hope everyone learned one thing from M32.
And that is that you shouldn't vote for someone just because you "don't trust them".
Just saying you should be sure that you think EXTREMELY carefully before casting a lynch vote, because
once some casts a vote, there will be a lynch for sure. And messing up ONE lynch could cost the game.

And i'm pretty sure we all know where mindless bandwagoning got us in that game.
Just wanted to get this out there.

[PersonNamedUser]

Yeah, i'm going to bring this up again, be wary of how you guys are handling your lynch votes because you should remember
how that worked out in M32.

Vote who you will, but just be careful.

[TDK]

Yeah, i'm going to bring this up again, be wary of how you guys are handling your lynch votes because you should remember
how that worked out in M32.

Vote who you will, but just be careful.

What happened in M32 ?

[PersonNamedUser]

Yeah, i'm going to bring this up again, be wary of how you guys are handling your lynch votes because you should remember
how that worked out in M32.

Vote who you will, but just be careful.

What happened in M32 ?

We basically lost because i was lynched on day 3 due to a semi-baseless lead and i just so happen to be
the sheriff. Not only that, but we already had someone who happened to be mafia in our sights and a townie
i was in contact with was going to ask me to inspect someone who also happened to be mafia. They
ended up trusting that person later on which costed us the game.

All because someone voted for me because of "inactivity". When in reality, i was active through PM.

[Julia Pseudo]

Please don't try to influence activity in the current game, MosaicMario - your first post today seems to be referring to the current day phase.

[PixelPest]

I have to say I strongly dislike people in Mafia who just give up after a few lynch votes are on them. Myself and others have talked their way out of being lynched multiple times but Doesntpostverymuch basically just gave up right away and then claimed Third Party. I find these moves to just be outrageously dumb

[Sevennights]

since we have to bring messages from like dm's from discord
what is the best way, screencaping the talk or text and coping?
just asking

[Doesntpostverymuch]

i essentially revealed my role because nobody changed their vote when i claimed for timmy claymore (for some reason) and i got desperate

[Julia Pseudo]

since we have to bring messages from like dm's from discord
what is the best way, screencaping the talk or text and coping?
just asking

You should copy and paste the text, since screenshots are not allowed.

(If you're sending them to the host only an exception can be made though)

[Sevennights]

well i did only mean it to send messages to hosts but whatever
thank you that cleared up my question

[Julia Pseudo]

I'd like to bring up something strategy-wise before M38 starts because I feel like it might make me look suspicious if I said it in game.

Basically, it's pretty common for people to call on the Doctor to protect a specific player during the night if they believe that this played is at threat of being killed. While this is ultimately the Doctor's job, if you are Doctor you should not always follow the town's instructions in situations like this. Since the mafia will see that the Doctor is being asked to protect this player, the player in question will probably not be attacked that night since it's likely it will be a wasted kill.

For this reason, I think it's arguable that the doctor's real strength is not protecting alliance leaders, but rather imbuing everyone with the belief that they are protecting an alliance leader, driving the mafia away from attacking them for fear of wasting a kill. Sure, if you're the doctor you should protect the alliance leader sometimes, if you truly believe they will be attacked. But if you keep doing this consistently then you'll just let the mafia get away will killing whoever else they want.