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zioy · Postby **zioy** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:12 pm

Zeldamaster12 wrote:Dude, Krazykat, no offense, but you're probably going to get punished further if you continue to complain about DarkMatt.

I'm not the only one who thinks DarkMatt should be demoted

Postby **DarkMatt** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:15 pm

krazykat wrote:DarkMatt is the reason why I got demoted. Yes, I am saying this again despite the 100 responses to the contrary.

If you continue to think I'm wholly responsible for your demotion when I have disproven it in every way possible, then I'm going to be wholly responsible for your extended ban. You get something to fit your complaint so you don't have to twist words to fit your argument, and I get to stop dealing with you trying to sound like you were wronged and everyone should blame me. Win-win.

This isn't me making a joke. This is me telling you to stop now, or you're going to ban town.

Same applies to the rest of you. This has been argued to death, so let's drop it. Next one to continue the shitstorm is getting a warning.

zioy · Postby **zioy** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:33 pm

Yeah, I thought it over and to be honest none of this is worth arguing over. Sorry to everyone involved if you feel frustrated or insulted.

Also I think locking the thread would help.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:07 pm

KoolKat wrote:I think locking the thread would help.

No, it won't. You don't punish the thread when it's the users' faults for creating a shitstorm.

Yugioer · Postby **Yugioer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:42 pm

Wow, I really don't like the heated atmosphere going on whenever I go to this forum. I have to agree with the OP. The rules seem way to strict and I can't see any good reasoning behind it. It scares people away.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:51 pm

Yugioer wrote:Wow, I really don't like the heated atmosphere going on whenever I go to this forum. I have to agree with the OP. The rules seem way to strict and I can't see any good reasoning behind it. It scares people away.

No, actually, the rules aren't strict at all. It's just the warning/consequence system.

Yugioer · Postby **Yugioer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:04 pm

Kep wrote:
Yugioer wrote:Wow, I really don't like the heated atmosphere going on whenever I go to this forum. I have to agree with the OP. The rules seem way to strict and I can't see any good reasoning behind it. It scares people away.
No, actually, the rules aren't strict at all. It's just the warning/consequence system.

I think that the warnings and consequences are part of the rule system. So yes, you are right. The rules themselves are pretty basic and common sense, but the way they are enforced is kind of frightening.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:58 pm

I apologize for the bad transition on our part - the new system for the Levels forum isn't quite completed yet, and it isn't DarkMatt's fault. I've been incredibly busy and need the time to sit down and organize the rest of this.

zioy · Postby **zioy** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:59 pm

Joey wrote:I apologize for the bad transition on our part - the new system for the Levels forum isn't quite completed yet, and it isn't DarkMatt's fault. I've been incredibly busy and need the time to sit down and organize the rest of this.

Thanks.

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:56 pm

krazykat wrote:
Joey wrote:I apologize for the bad transition on our part - the new system for the Levels forum isn't quite completed yet, and it isn't DarkMatt's fault. I've been incredibly busy and need the time to sit down and organize the rest of this.
Thanks.

I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting in my thread with useless and unnecessarily irrelevant-to-the-thread posts. This is meant to be a debate and an actually serious thread, not a "lol thnx ppl" thread. Sorry if I sounded like an asshole in that, by the way.

By the way, I'd like to bring another instance here:

auto2112 wrote:
Quill wrote: No.

It looks like Valtteri insta-warned auto2112 for this, even though auto2112 hasn't ever done anything wrong in the past, so his warning was, if anything, unjustified and too quick, especially on a newish user.

zioy · Postby **zioy** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:59 pm

Kep wrote:I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting in my thread with useless and unnecessarily irrelevant-to-the-thread posts. This is meant to be a debate and an actually serious thread, not a "lol thnx ppl" thread. Sorry if I sounded like an asshole in that, by the way.

That's the first semi-unconstructive post I've made in this thread iirc.

And I was thanking Joey for attempting to speed up the update.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:40 pm

Kep wrote:It looks like Valtteri insta-warned auto2112 for this, even though auto2112 hasn't ever done anything wrong in the past, so his warning was, if anything, unjustified and too quick, especially on a newish user.

Note that this isn't a topic to debate warnings.

The staff is more than capable of disciplining users.

FanofSMBX · Postby **FanofSMBX** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:55 am

Why can't Kep do that? Are regular users incapable of even THINKING something's amiss? This is another symptom of that "me and my cronies are right nobody else" thinking some of us have accused you of. Also:

Knux wrote:

Anyone else would have got into trouble for it.

This isn't a very good representation of the staff team.

^

sleepy · Postby **sleepy** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:16 am

this thread is about the staff and how they should improve, correct?

giving out warnings is part of what the staff does, so technically it's on topic, no?

Zeldamaster12 · Postby **Zeldamaster12** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:23 pm

I agree with this smart individual above me.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:42 pm

We don't need your opinions on warnings. That's not what this topic is for.

sleepy · Postby **sleepy** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:32 pm

Joey wrote:We don't need your opinions on warnings. That's not what this topic is for.

Then why on earth is this topic still open?

zioy · Postby **zioy** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:54 pm

SnifitGuy wrote:The current members are as follows: Knux...uh...Valtteri...

since when was Valtteri anti-Joey? Val is basically Joey's wingman lol

Kyo · Postby **Kyo** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:56 pm

Joey wrote:We don't need your opinions on warnings. That's not what this topic is for.

The purpose of this thread is to criticize the staff team and its actions with provided instances, which ironically are mainly about warnings that aren't considered justified. If you consider it necessary to have a thread about 'staff criticism' and another thread about its 'warning decisions', then we can of course make it happen. I heavily doubt that's what you want, though.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:05 pm

We could focus on the small parts all day long and never agree, or we can look at the big picture:

1. Listening to opinions != taking what you say to heart and completely changing the staff's ideology. See #3.
2. Normal users are not the voice of reason for this community. Don't try to tell the staff how to do their jobs.
3. There are going to be things we disagree with. That's natural. But, at the end of the day, we're the staff, and we're going to be making the decisions.
4. I've said multiple times that the transition from Knux to Joey is not going to be easy. I administrate in a very different way, obviously, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad.
5. Like I've said, we're going to have disagreements, but you really need to stop taking things in this community so seriously. Someone gets warned HOLY SHIT THIS IS AWFUL WE NEED REFORM. Calm down.