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Joey wrote:My point was that you guys care way too much about a name on a team listing.

Yeah i probably should stop carrying also that Fawful 260 is probably Fawful 265 since they both have the same broken english.

Maybe the staff should check that.

It's not that they care too much.

It is literally pointless to have an inactive member on the staff team.

If it bothers you, you care too much.

It is literally pointless to have an inactive member on the staff team.

If you put it into a real life situation you'll understand. I never said I cared either but I digress.

So what if we do? It's not like it's any of your concern.

Joey wrote:So what if we do? It's not like it's any of your concern.

As a userbase under the control of your administration, we have the right to be curious as to what you and your mods do as well as criticize it. As an administration, you have the responsibility to let us know what you're doing and to let us have some input before it goes through. A community where the administration does many things without letting the userbase know or put in much input is not a healthy community and is borderline dictatorship. You aren't going to improve in the slightest as an administration if you don't allow and/or don't listen to your userbase put in their two cents about what you do.

You make a good point that would be absolutely relevant if I was, like, laundering money or something.

You're talking about a single name on a team listing. Until you can approach me with a legitimate problem, I don't really want to entertain this discussion anymore.

(for those dying to know why m4sterbr0s is still on the team listing: he's obviously been busy with stuff in his life and doesn't find time to come here, but he's still someone we want on the staff team and there's nothing wrong with keeping him there)

My rant wasn't directly about m4sterbros and was more of my answer to this question:

Joey wrote:why does it matter

Now about m4sterbr0s. It BUGS people because somebody useful could potentially be mod instead of m4sterbr0s. If and/or when he returns, there's nothing wrong with taking an extra 30 or so seconds to repromote him. As of right now, he's pointlessly filling up a useful moderator spot on your team. And yes, I'll reiterate that it looks bad you have a completely inactive moderator. It may look to some you just don't care about how you run your mod team and it also definitely looks like favorites are played.

But you say that as if m4sterbr0s is suddenly "filling a spot" and taking it away from someone else, which isn't at all what's happening. Also, the fact that his name is not green should be an indicator that he's not an active team member.

TNT, while I agree with the ends to your argument about how m4sterbr0s should just be demoted and later repromoted, I just want to point out he isn't "filling up" a spot. The number of mods that can be on the team is only finite to how much the admins want, and if they needed more mods - which they don't - they would just promote someone else on top of the others. Also it's a privilege to be here and not a right, so you can't just say you have a right to be here and criticize what the team does; and since membership and activity here is voluntary I don't see how you can call it a "borderline dictatorship." At the end of the day it is in principle since this forum was never supposed to be a democracy, it's supposed to be the staff keeping the forum in order while taking input from the community at their discretion. Like Joey said, you need to bring up an actual problem and I think some of the favoritism and moderating decisions themselves needs to be addressed rather than who is on the list.

http://www.smbxgame.com/forums/v ... 35&t=12190
This topic got locked for no legit reason. Even though it's about SMBX 1.4.1, which is of course not supported by you, it's a bullshit reason to just lock it. Someone from the userbase, like Wohlstand, could actually help him since he's one of these guys who know how SMBX 1.4.1 works. You know that.
And now that makes me wonder now why help topics about PGE are not locked. I mean you never said that you support PGE, did you? Is there some other hidden reason that I can't seem to figure out? (if it even exists)

First of all, easy on the tone. Wording your messages like that is only making your situation worse.

We support PGE and LunaDLL/Lua, hence why their topics are sticky. I'd prefer if help with those things were asked for in those respective threads, but since they're so widely used it's not really a problem if things pop up in the normal help forum.

The Chinese build that for whatever reason only runs on Windows XP is a completely different story. I understand that Wohlstand is working on it, so he can help you with it if he wants to. We can't have threads about that clog up the help forum, since the help forum is for legitimate and official versions of SMBX. We also can't support a bunch of versions of SMBX floating around.

Okay, I'm confused here.

m4sterbr0s has been in the mod group since what, March? Nobody has complained about it until now when he has been in the mod group for eight months. It was never an issue before, so why is it all of a sudden an issue now? It shouldn't be.

Zeldamaster12 wrote:Okay, I'm confused here.

m4sterbr0s has been in the mod group since what, March? Nobody has complained about it until now when he has been in the mod group for eight months. It was never an issue before, so why is it all of a sudden an issue now? It shouldn't be.

I think people just looked at the members of the admin/mod groups after Quill was made Admin again? I'm not sure myself, and we've had this discussion before with members like Kley, and it's honestly the same every time and I don't think there's anything left to argue about regarding that.

Kley's situation was different anyway since he actually looked like he was an active member of the team (green name).

Bottom line is that who's on the team listing is not something worth arguing about.

Joey wrote:Kley's situation was different anyway since he actually looked like he was an active member of the team (green name).

Bottom line is that who's on the team listing is not something worth arguing about.

Really? I was rather certain he had a black name at the time we had that discussion. Of course, i may just be mixing things up.

No, his name was green during all that WE NEED CHANGE drama. I think he might've been removed from the Staff midway through though.

Zeldamaster12 wrote:Okay, I'm confused here.

m4sterbr0s has been in the mod group since what, March? Nobody has complained about it until now when he has been in the mod group for eight months. It was never an issue before, so why is it all of a sudden an issue now? It shouldn't be.

Ackshully it's been complained about before it went through this cycle:

1. Complaint
2. "fuck off" - joey

Oversimplified but w/e.

Zeldamaster12 wrote:No, his name was green during all that WE NEED CHANGE drama. I think he might've been removed from the Staff midway through though.

Yeah he was demoted over something dumb that he did, I forget what it was. Kley isn't relevant though to this conversation.

Joey wrote:First of all, easy on the tone. Wording your messages like that is only making your situation worse.

We support PGE and LunaDLL/Lua, hence why their topics are sticky. I'd prefer if help with those things were asked for in those respective threads, but since they're so widely used it's not really a problem if things pop up in the normal help forum.

The Chinese build that for whatever reason only runs on Windows XP is a completely different story. I understand that Wohlstand is working on it, so he can help you with it if he wants to. We can't have threads about that clog up the help forum, since the help forum is for legitimate and official versions of SMBX. We also can't support a bunch of versions of SMBX floating around.

So if I were to make a singular thread in the General forum for SMBX 1.4.1 for info, and support would that be fine? It wouldn't be "clogging up" the forum, and it beats locking a thread while someone is looking for help when there is help to be offered (specifically from Wohlstand, and a few others who downloaded the version).

I still don't understand why it's being complained about though. Like Joey said, m4sterbr0s's name is black, which means he isn't active to moderate.

TNT and I already explained that it looks bad for an inactive mod to be listed. That's why there's the complaints.