COVID-19 (Coronavirus)

[aero]

As much as I dislike Johnson and the tories, you're literally accusing of euthanasia? That's not something you can proclaim without evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... fficulties
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n754
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 61201.html

[Panda]

As much as I dislike Johnson and the tories, you're literally accusing of euthanasia? That's not something you can proclaim without evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... fficulties
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n754
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 61201.html

furthermore:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... d-immunity
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris ... al-1111614
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comm ... e-disabled

[aero]

I don't think it's conspiratorial to say the powers that be want to double dip on the austerity lockdowns from last year. I didn't leave my home unnecessarily, I wore a mask when I had to leave, and I got vaccinated. I did what I was supposed to and they want to do mask mandates regardless of vaccination status and possibly another lockdown? I'll wear a mask when required to by a business or at the doctor's office, but I'm not going to at restaurants and businesses that don't require it. It really looks like the press (obviously Fox) and even government officials are trying to reduce the vaccination rate for their own self-interest, or they are beyond inept. There were reports in the past about the J&J vaccine being "much less effective" than Pfizer and Moderna by distorting the facts and lying by omission too. On the flip side there is very little reporting about the millions of uninsured people here that are hesitant to get the vaccine because America is so fucked they don't know it's free or they're skeptical that it's actually free.


If you're unvaccinated please consider getting vaccinated as soon as you are able to.

[Cedur]

I'm fully vaccinated for nearly 2 months now and so far there was no benefit except false promises. Due to delta, getting into crowds of people is still highly questionable.

[Sonya Sanchez]

I'm fully vaccinated for nearly 2 months now and so far there was no benefit except false promises. Due to delta, getting into crowds of people is still highly questionable.

Ah yes Crowd of people, just like Berlin showed us! Disgraceful! Glad the Police did that to these Fake Family pretenders taking their own child to these stupid Demostrantions !!!

[MarioFan171]

As a person not vaccinated yet, I Friggin' Hate Antivaxxers.

[Sonya Sanchez]

As a Person living in a Country With a High risk for Covid-19, We Need to stop talking about this because this will stir up controversy through the whole community.

Uh no? That’s not true? And it makes no sense to me that if you live in a high risk one that talking needs to be stopped here about this cause it would cause a controversy!

The only people being controversial about it are very often people who still think that the Virus isn’t real.

[aero]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html

The title: "CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated"

The last paragraph: "The CDC also said the report is "insufficient" to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of the authorized vaccines against Covid, including the delta variant, during this outbreak."

Again I really think the powers that be want another lock down so they're being two-faced about the vaccines. The billionaires made trillions while everyone else was getting evicted, going to bread lines, and smaller businesses had to close permanently. They really seem to want to do it again.

[Cedur]

As a Person living in a Country With a High risk for Covid-19, We Need to stop talking about this because this will stir up controversy through the whole community.

why do you want to speak on the behalf of the whole community? Anyone promoting nonsensical propaganda runs a risk of getting banned, the staff keeps everything under control

[Ness-Wednesday]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html

The title: "CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated"

The last paragraph: "The CDC also said the report is "insufficient" to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of the authorized vaccines against Covid, including the delta variant, during this outbreak."

Again I really think the powers that be want another lockdown so they're being two-faced about the vaccines. The billionaires made trillions while everyone else was getting evicted, going to bread lines, and smaller businesses had to close permanently. They really seem to want to do it again.

It was already bad when they lifted the mask mandate too early a few months ago, and when the 70% vaccination goal didn't reach the 4th of July. These misleading headlines are only going to support more vaccine hesitation. This could even lead to more dangerous strains that eventually don't care about the current vaccines. It's all just being used as an opportunity for the wealthy, while the rest are left to drown because of them.

[MarioFan171]

As a Person living in a Country With a High risk for Covid-19, We Need to stop talking about this because this will stir up controversy through the whole community.

why do you want to speak on the behalf of the whole community? Anyone promoting nonsensical propaganda runs a risk of getting banned, the staff keeps everything under control

I Don't condome or support Antivaxxer Propagandas but You have to be warned that There's A Delta Variant, especially in the Philliphines

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That's fine. Global health and response is political.

How could you NOT Take this Politically?

[Cedur]

Yes there is the delta variant which you can spread even with 2x vaccination, and old people with prior illnesses can die from it despite 2x vaccination ... both of this means that the vax had no use to improve everyday life. Comparing it to driving, it's at most like a seatbelt, you still have to "drive reasonably" (i.e. follow the rules and relinquish contact)

[Sonya Sanchez]

There's A Delta Variant, especially in the Philliphines

Uhhh the Delta Variant isn't just there? It's also in a lot of other places? But so far I've been seeing a lot of planes taking off and people said they wanna travel to certain locations because they don't want to stay in their land because of Corona again this Year!

People are doing a poor job at caring again, So I do expect another Shutdown in the coming months when it's going to be a lot colder and all the people coming home again!

[Uranus]

I atleast hope that they "upgrade" the vaccines so that they can fight delta

Its not as bad in my country but in other places where delta is stronger it seems pretty rough.

[Marina]

both of this means that the vax had no use to improve everyday life.

You're framing it like if we can't protect ourselves from every variant, we shouldn't protect ourselves at all, which is mindboggling. That's extremely dangerous fatalist thinking and I'd like you to reflect on that. The vaccines still offer vital amounts of protection from prior Covid variants.

Comparing it to driving, it's at most like a seatbelt, you still have to "drive reasonably" (i.e. follow the rules and relinquish contact)

What argument are you trying to make at this point? That we shouldn't wear seatbelts?

[ShadowStarX]

both of this means that the vax had no use to improve everyday life.

You're framing it like if we can't protect ourselves from every variant, we shouldn't protect ourselves at all, which is mindboggling. That's extremely dangerous fatalist thinking and I'd like you to reflect on that. The vaccines still offer vital amounts of protection from prior Covid variants.

This is exactly the case.
Plus researches have never claimed the vaccine to be omnipotent against the virus, as the goal was to massively decrease fatalities. And in that regard, Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and Janssen are all very potent as sure, you may very well get sick and even have the chance to infect others, but the illness will be tremendously weakened + the likelihood of infecting others is decreased, thanks to weaker symptoms.

The two problems with vaccines right now is that Sputnik-V, Sinopharm and especially Sinovac are very much half-potent, when it comes to elderly people. But even they help in decreasing fatalities. Additionally, the Delta variant is only just a teemsy bit more potent against the vaccines, it's the lambda variant which lacks sufficient data. (and even that one is not yet proven to bypass the immune system of the vaccinated, just a hypothesis)

[Waddle]

both of this means that the vax had no use to improve everyday life.

You're framing it like if we can't protect ourselves from every variant, we shouldn't protect ourselves at all, which is mindboggling. That's extremely dangerous fatalist thinking and I'd like you to reflect on that. The vaccines still offer vital amounts of protection from prior Covid variants.

Also! Vaccines actually do offer a LOT of protection, even against the delta variant. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 for a medical journal article backing that up. To cite the conclusion:

Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses. Absolute differences in vaccine effectiveness were more marked after the receipt of the first dose. This finding would support efforts to maximize vaccine uptake with two doses among vulnerable populations.

[Uranus]

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/11/10268632 ... 8781317247

Not entirely sure if this is true but... ouch

[aero]

Some things to keep in mind:
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2 ... ccine.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 434096001/

Also keep this in mind when you read "news" headlines saying the vaccines aren't as effective: https://www.businessinsider.com/billion ... nes-2021-1

Just the other day a bunch of reports were citing a preprint article about the Pfizer vaccine being only about 40% effective without context. The people pushing this and for more lock downs and mandates do not have your best interests at heart. I'm sure it's coincidental that other articles are also doing the exact opposite of what convinces people to get vaccinated. Fox News has been the worst offender on this because they constantly run stories outright getting people to be more hesitant, but other outlets aren't that far behind.

[aero]

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