[THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

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Re: [THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

Postby HeroLinik » Sat May 30, 2015 2:52 pm

Thundaga_T2 wrote:
castlewars wrote:
RudeGuy07 wrote:What if
-Donkey Kong events happens;
-Mario Vs Donkey Kong happens;
-Mario broke with Pauline;
-SMB events happens.
And wow you're putting a lot of your free time in this theory.
The events of the Mario vs. DK series take place in the Mushroom Kingdom. The events of DK take place in New York. They're not the same place.

Also, as I've been reiterating earlier, between the events of DK and SMB, barely anyone knew who Mario was, so why would they start making toys out of him? Mario has to have gotten famous somehow, so the easiest way he was to accomplish this was by his many rescues of Peach. Then the Mario toys would start being made, and Pauline comes along just for old times' sake. As Mario and Pauline open the amusement park together in the second game, it can be inferred that they were still both boyfriend and girlfriend, and as this takes place after the first few Peach rescues, Mario was definitely still out with Pauline when the events of SMB play out. If they'd recently broke up because of Peach, then they wouldn't be opening the park together, wouldn't they?
Pretty sure Mario vs Donkey Kong 2 was pretty clear that they were just friends at that point.
If they'd broke up, then they would have to get over it in some way, and that usually takes a long time (it took me three months to finally get over my ex!). But when we talk about them being "friends" we don't know exactly. Were they just friends, or were they still together?

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Re: [THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

Postby Tango » Sat May 30, 2015 3:05 pm

RudeGuy07 wrote:
castlewars wrote:As I said earlier, the toys were probably being made out of Mario because he was now a celebrity - and Pauline appeared. As Mario's chronological first experience with fighting Bowser was in SMB, he was still with Pauline at the time. It's not known how Mario broke up with her.
What if
-Donkey Kong events happens;
-Mario Vs Donkey Kong happens;
-Mario broke with Pauline;
-SMB events happens.
And wow you're putting a lot of your free time in this theory.
Uhm, there is a error.
Mario VS Donkey Kong Mini-Land Mayhem features Peach and Toad toys, even in the cutscene that unlock the plus mode, Toy Toad appears.

What about this, i think i have a correct timeline

-Donkey Kong Circus: Mario captures Donkey Kong as a circus monkey
-Donkey Kong Jr.: His son, DK Jr go save him.
-Donkey Kong: Donkey Kong has his revenge and capture Mario's Girlfriend. Mario learn jump super skills to save her in the construction site. The TV Reporters come in, and the world nicknamed Mario as "Jumpman", for a more heroic man.
In this point, let's thing. Maybe Mario don't broke with Pauline, but Pauline broke with Mario. For some personal reason. So then, Mario got depressed, exit from his actual job and...
-Mario Bros.: ...Go with plumbing, that Luigi was working since the begin. So various fireballs, strange turtles and creatures exit from the pipes, when they discover a new place hide in the pipes...
-Super Mario Bros.: ...The Mushroom Kingdom. Toads was in panic asking for help. Mario teaches Luigi jump Skills. They go save the kingdom. He could use the shortcuts. So you think: Use shortcuts and don't defeat the other bosses in other castles is not save the Toads? Remember that Bowser used black magic. Magic are naturally broken by defeating the origin, that is Bowser. Defeating Bowser drop him in the Lava could destroy all the bad creatures of the kingdom, got Toads that transformed in blocks in normal Toads again, even the destroyed, and so, Mario begin a relationship with Peach.
-Donkey Kong 3: So, What about Donkey Kong in this time? Everybody forgotten of Donkey Kong 3? Well, Mario saved Pauline, but nobody knew what happen to DK. Probably, searching Mario, founded Stanley the Bugman. Very similar to Mario, DK probably thunk that Stanley was Mario, and trolled Stanley destroying his Greenhouse. After defeated, DK probably got jailed by Stanley too.

Now, jumping from Super Mario Bros to Super Mario World...

-Mario Party: Probably Mario Party is a celebration that Mario saved the kingdom. Mario and Luigi, obviously was invited. Yoshi was invited too. Mario and Luigi invited Wario from the real world, thinking that he is really "good", that proof that he is wrong later in Super Mario Land 2. Since was passed so much time from SMB to SMW, Donkey Kong turned into Cranky Kong, so, Stanley saw that was better donate Cranky to the zoo, when he open the jail, he shows that, like later in Tropical Freeze, he can be old, but have energy. So he escaped, got to the jungle, and visited Donkey Kong Jr, Cranky's Son and actual DK's Father. Donkey Kong Jr said that he gotta invited to a party in the Mushroom Kingdom. So Cranky got to the Mushroom Kingdom by the pipes. So, after the party, Cranky and DK got live on the Island, with new friends as Diddy, Dixie, Tiny, Chunky, Lanky, Kiddy and other characters that live in the island too.

Now that i finished this, i need rest, please ;-;

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Re: [THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

Postby HeroLinik » Sat May 30, 2015 3:16 pm

Miles Troopa wrote:-Donkey Kong Circus: Mario captures Donkey Kong as a circus monkey
-Donkey Kong Jr.: His son, DK Jr go save him.
-Donkey Kong: Donkey Kong has his revenge and capture Mario's Girlfriend. Mario learn jump super skills to save her in the construction site. The TV Reporters come in, and the world nicknamed Mario as "Jumpman", for a more heroic man.
That certainly isn't true. Donkey Kong Jr. is the sequel to Donkey Kong, not Donkey Kong Circus. Donkey Kong actually kidnapped Pauline because he was sick of the circus act, and in a mad rage he grabbed the closest thing to him - Mario's girlfriend. DK was in the cage not because of the circus act, but he was captured as revenge from Mario for stealing his girlfriend. Hence, DK Jr. goes to save him and defeat Mario. If you look at the ending of Donkey Kong Jr. it appears that Mario nearly dies from falling from a great height, but he gets back up and chases after DK, only to be kicked right back out. If this game took place before DK, it would make no sense as to why Mario is chasing him.

What I don't get is why DK didn't go for Mario himself.

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Re: [THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

Postby RudeGuy » Sun May 31, 2015 7:41 am

castlewars wrote:If they'd broke up, then they would have to get over it in some way, and that usually takes a long time (it took me three months to finally get over my ex!). But when we talk about them being "friends" we don't know exactly. Were they just friends, or were they still together?
Some just decide they aren't as boyfriend and girlfriend and just decides to be friends.

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Re: [THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

Postby HeroLinik » Sun May 31, 2015 11:39 am

RudeGuy07 wrote:
castlewars wrote:If they'd broke up, then they would have to get over it in some way, and that usually takes a long time (it took me three months to finally get over my ex!). But when we talk about them being "friends" we don't know exactly. Were they just friends, or were they still together?
Some just decide they aren't as boyfriend and girlfriend and just decides to be friends.
Yeah, that could've happened - Pauline may have friendzoned Mario sometime after March of the Minis. In fact, this seems likely because if they'd broken up per se, Mario wouldn't have the motivation to go on more adventures and it'd hit him hard. This could possibly result in Peach catching wind of this, and then pretending to be Mario's lover as early on in the timeline they don't kiss. And why is that? Because Mario's still with Pauline. With that in hand, Peach takes advantage of the situation just to manipulate Mario completely to the point where she just wants Mario to produce a specific reaction, explaining why Peach kisses him, and takes it no further. He wants Mario to let his guard down and convince him that she's not a villain, when she actually could be.

So in a way, Mario getting friendzoned by Pauline could result in all these events. Does this make Pauline evil as well?

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Re: [THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

Postby Bomber57 » Sun May 31, 2015 2:23 pm

No. Bowser tried to fuckin' destroy the entire unvierse and re-shape it in his image. Twice. That is, until big mean Mario came along and ruined his totally benign plot. Image


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