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Joey wrote:I don't care if criticism is negative, I care if it's uncivil. If you can't present your criticism in a civil manner, then I have no reason to listen to it.

So you're saying in a hypothetical scenario where I have an important and totally valid point of criticism, but fail to word it in a manner that one person considers civil, there's no reason to listen to said valid point? Your logic confuses me.

If that 'valid' point you want to make is important to you, expressing it in a civil manner should be common sense actually. You can't go ahead and make a point that's actually pretty legit, but extremely rudely and vulgarly worded. Otherwise, it can't be taken seriously. However, I don't recall many people here expressing their points rudely, to be honest.

Otherwise, it WON'T be taken seriously on here. That's the point I'm trying to raise. I realize this might be a bit dangerous to say right now, and experience might change my opinion, but at this moment, if I were to receive particularly rude criticism, I would at least look at the point they're trying to make before dismissing them as 'not to be taken seriously'.

You don't have a lot of chances to be listened if you present your point in an uncivil way, even though it's valid. Everyone can see that you are unable to present points in a good way and will consider you an immature and the point you're trying to make will be hidden (by the way, this is mi opinion). Also, as Kyo said, it's common sense expressing your point in a civil way.

Indeed, which is a shame when the person making the point is the proverbial nth monkey making an incredibly important statement. What I'm trying to say is that even if someone is rude and vulgar, it's still worth at least checking out the points s/he's making. Also, I've said this before, but just because something should be common sense doesn't mean it is to everyone.

8bitmushroom wrote:DarkMatt actually demoted KoolKat because he snooped through the MCP

Actually I just sort of looked at the front page and there was a board warning at the top of the moderator logs.

8bitmushroom wrote:and did absolutely nothing as a level judge

Lolno I singlehandedly cleared out at least half of the last page of the levels section

Flying Brick wrote:Indeed, which is a shame when the person making the point is the proverbial nth monkey making an incredibly important statement. What I'm trying to say is that even if someone is rude and vulgar, it's still worth at least checking out the points s/he's making. Also, I've said this before, but just because something should be common sense doesn't mean it is to everyone.

Like everyone has said, even if a point is valid, the person will have no motivation to listen to you if you're going to be a dick to him.

Flying Brick wrote:

Joey wrote:I don't care if criticism is negative, I care if it's uncivil. If you can't present your criticism in a civil manner, then I have no reason to listen to it.

So you're saying in a hypothetical scenario where I have an important and totally valid point of criticism, but fail to word it in a manner that one person considers civil, there's no reason to listen to said valid point? Your logic confuses me.

What he means is there's a difference between arguing or debating and outright slagging off someone. I'm gonna be cliché and relate this to when you're in court - you don't hear the prosecution or defense lawyers being irrational and swearing at each other. I mean, if you can't stay calm about something as simple as who moderates a Mario forum and how, then honestly, what is the likeliness that they'll take you seriously?

Too bad a lot of people on here don't understand the difference.

krazykat wrote:ho boy im back from being unbanned time to defend myself by outright saying I shared MCP info

Okay, everyone listening, raise your hand if you think I directly demoted koolkat.

Because starting the notion =/= is the only one responsible.

Holy shit stop pinning this all on me. I'm not the only one who thought you weren't a good judge.

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Flying Brick wrote:I would at least look at the point they're trying to make before dismissing them as 'not to be taken seriously'.

Let us take a moment to explain why you think people are obligated to sift through responses no matter how toxic, and why you are wrong.

Nobody, myself included, wants to deal with a smartass or a backtalker who cannot look the person he's arguing with straight in the eye and tell him, without any bullshit, what the problem is. Furthermore, most of the time if you have to figure out the point they're making, it's bad to the point where just tapping it in response will cause the whole argument to fall apart. Acting in the name of arguing is no free pass to be as big of a shitlord as you want. The people listening to you are under no obligation to hear you out if you don't treat them with even an ounce of respect, and that includes the staff.

DarkMatt wrote:Okay, raise your hand if you think I directly demoted Koolkat.
Holy shit stop pinning this all on me. I'm not the only one who thought you weren't a good judge.

That's pretty ignorant, you demote him because of an opinion, If I wanted someone to die I wouldn't kill them right?
Also Koolkat is ignorant as well, he keeped on screaming at Darkmatt because of some fatal mistakes, maybe you should just settle it out with Darkmatt instead of attacking him Koolkat.

[quote="Superiorstar"][/quote]
You are going to regret holding that hand up.

Let's see. I talked to the staff, and some of the judges about this, and even held off on talking to the person manning the killswitch for a while. (I sure as hell wasn't the one to go in to the level judges group and just file off koolkat's name. Mods can't do that.)

If any of them had anything to say in koolkat's defense, they would've spoken up. Not one did.

I don't think that means I'm the only one responsible.

Now I'm done perpetuating koolkat's refusal to listen. Back on topic.

DarkMatt wrote: You are going to regret holding that hand up.

Let's see. I talked to the staff, and some of the judges about this, and even held off on talking to the person manning the killswitch for a while.

If any of them had anything to say in koolkat's defense, they would've spoken up. Not one did.

I don't think that means I'm the only one responsible.

Ok then, if you can prove this I'll believe you. wait a minute, who promoted him in the first place?
ON topic: Ok, you proved your point.

TNT promoted me.

Anyway, DarkMatt, stop making posts that are essentially "in-your-face" posts towards me...

If any of them had anything to say in koolkat's defense, they would've spoken up. Not one did.

...because nobody gives a crap about the level judges. They come and go like the seasons...

Now I'm done perpetuating koolkat's refusal to listen.

...way to make blatant assumptions. "Refusal to listen" =/= "Disapproval of the level forum update"...

Also, if you haven't noticed, I've already decided to stop "complaining" about it and look on the bright side.

Superiorstar wrote:

DarkMatt wrote: You are going to regret holding that hand up.

Let's see. I talked to the staff, and some of the judges about this, and even held off on talking to the person manning the killswitch for a while.

If any of them had anything to say in koolkat's defense, they would've spoken up. Not one did.

I don't think that means I'm the only one responsible.

Ok then, if you can prove this I'll believe you. wait a minute, who promoted him in the first place?
ON topic: Ok, you proved your point.

I promoted krazykat. And demoted him.

DarkMatt told me the general staff agreed to have krazykat demoted, it's not just "DarkMatt being a jerk" like you guys think.

Jesus, still talking about this? Why not just pm each other or something else? Also why insult the staff or tell the staff what to do, they are the staff for a reason. Why would people even get riot like or just rant all day about this? It was weird that koolkat or krazykat got promoted then demoted but it is just a job that comes and goes (unless you are special and doing well) but still why continue ranting about this?

krazykat wrote:Also, if you haven't noticed, I've already decided to stop "complaining" about it and look on the bright side.

This and the rest of your post are somewhat contradictory.

You got a reason why you were demoted. You know you weren't just demoted because one user disagreed with you. Whether you agree with the reason or not is another topic, but you don't have a reason to fight for it.

For the record, the reasons for my demotion were essentially this:

-Publicly revealing a board warning (OK whatevs you never told me I couldn't do that)
-Not "bowing down" to DarkMatt's supreme rule over the level judges (sorry but I don't think having a superior board position gives you the right to basically give the "pull the switch" command)
-Public disagreement with the levels forum update (which I've already begun to support despite the obvious issues with it)

krazykat wrote:For the record, the reasons for my demotion were essentially this:

-Publicly revealing a board warning (OK whatevs you never told me I couldn't do that)
-Not "bowing down" to DarkMatt's supreme rule over the level judges (sorry but I don't think having a superior board position gives you the right to basically give the "pull the switch" command)
-Public disagreement with the levels forum update (which I've already begun to support despite the obvious issues with it)

This is the last fucking time I say this. DarkMatt wasn't a huge contributing reason behind your demotion. He doesn't have "supreme rule" over the level judges either.

Quit being butthurt against DarkMatt because it's not helping your case in any way.

I never said I wanted my effing LJ spot left.

Also, food for thought: I asked TNT why I was demoted, and heres the reply he sent me:

TNTtimelord wrote:

DarkMatt wrote:Oh, then I should elaborate if that's gonna be the case; I can give more details on this.

I would say it's a combination of "the power gets to him" and "he's way too vocal about things he doesn't like". The problem here is that I really don't see him as a team player. Anything he disagrees with, he complains about, and even if this is moderators/administrators doing their job, he will whine about it and even go so far as to talk about it to users. Even when told very sternly to not do this sort of behavior, he will still complain about something he doesn't agree with.

Mostly it's his unwillingness to bow to authority and understand what he's doing is wrong is why I (and plenty of people will passively agree) think he needs to go back and try again. Not saying he should never be a level judge, but he needs to better understand what having a staff position means before he tries again. (A staff member cannot complain publicly about things he doesn't like, that's a start.)

Which makes it sound as if DarkMatt were the only one advocating my demotion.

Dude, Krazykat, no offense, but you're probably going to get punished further if you continue to complain about DarkMatt.