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Sorry, Joey, but I have to agree with Natsu... It was kinda unfair how you first asked us users for our opinion on who of the last five deserves the position the most, and then you went on to decide it on your own. If you already make a poll about that, you should include the results in your final decision.

But nevertheless, congrats to Kley and GhostHawk for becoming global moderators! I think you two deserve your new position, and I wish you all the best on your new job!

Yoshibrothers wrote:

Natsu wrote:Honestly, if I kept doing this was because I had faith on the fact that Joey would prove me wrong, but it seems he didn't, which is kind of disappointing. I know for sure Joey does so many things wrong, but that's what is about being Staff Member. As humans, we all comet mistakes, or at least that's what I wanted to believe. Joey, honestly, in my personal opinion, of course many people may think as I do, you're not exactly fit for the position you currently have. I may recognize you try to make things go right, but sometimes intentions aren't enough, overall if your main goal is to ignore the user base opinion and choose with your Admin mates whoever you want. In one word, you're just being totally selfish right there. And like I said while debating with you regarding how "unnecessary" stuff shouldn't be removed just because of such fact, ignoring the user base isn't something an Admin should do.

But you know what? I'm not mad at you. On the other hand, I'm kind of grateful since I finally saw there's no point on trusting you may change anymore. You might do it, but not anytime soon, or so I believe. That's why I made a forum, and honestly I don't care if it is considered advertising at this point, everybody is invited to join. I don't know if you guys prefer originality over quality, but I wouldn't handle things ignoring the user base, that I guarantee.

Either way, keep doing stuff like you currently do, I guarantee a not very bright future for you on Forum Administrating.

Hate to say we told you so, Joey, but what the hell do you think we've been saying this whole time? You can deny it, you can even run away from it, but you can't do so forever.

Saying "I told you so" doesn't bring much to the discussion. One mistake of holding an election shouldn't dictate the competency of Joey being an admin anyway.

I need to give my thoughts on this, being that a lot of people have been complaining over the past few days.

To start off, holding an election was probably the best thing to do. Just having a random user replace my position as Global Moderator would have annoyed people even more. In my opinion, I would consider that biased. We held the election because we wanted to see which users recognized potential candidates for the position, along with having a few choices to choose from for the job.

Now, I believe Joey did say that the Administrators would be the determining factor for Global Moderator. So, this was all of our inputs (I speak on behalf of the Admin team, of course).

Kley showed that he deserved the job. He's been active here on the forums, along with being active in previous SMBX forums, being a level judge almost every time. In addition, he played a huge role in beta testing SMBX when it was still being updated. So, I think it's only fair that he should deserve the position. The Admin team then decided whether or not one moderator is enough. Being that this forum is growing and the fact that there will be more active users on here, we decided to hire one more moderator just so we have proper and adequate moderation of the forums.

The reason Blueoak was not chosen was because of his previous actions in the past as a global moderator. The Admin team wasn't convinced that Blueoak fully changed his ways, and even though he's improved his actions, there's still more he has to do to prove himself worthy of being a global moderator in the future once more.

Darkmatt wasn't chosen for the job because of the way he moderates. As a former moderator, Darkmatt was known for being a bit too strict at times, and we didn't want a global moderator handing out warnings and bans over small problems.

It really came down to GhostHawk and Natsu. We chose GhostHawk over Natsu mainly because of his dedication towards improving the SMBX wiki. Other than that, both GhostHawk and Natsu are equally active and good people on the forums.

I'd like to say this, however: Joey was NOT biased about these decisions, nor us. Both GhostHawk and Kley deserve their positions because they are good users, and they have both been involved with improving and helping SMBX.

More importantly, you guys should be thankful that there is still a SMBX forum today. What if there was not a forum? There wouldn't be anymore SMBX. There wouldn't be anymore interactions. There wouldn't be any more contests, etc. SMBX would have dwindled and die at this point.

Instead of criticizing Joey and wishing bad luck upon him in the future as an Administrator, start off by at least thanking the dude for setting up a SMBX forum that brought a lot of users together again, in addition to looking like the very first SMBX forum some of us we used to be part of. That is all.

8bitmushroom wrote:You came to a tie on the polls, you decided to take GhostHawk over Magician. Up comes the administration votes, there are only four administrators in total. GhostHawk has two votes, one of them I know is from you. Kley has three votes. Where did the extra vote come from?

Anything you'd like to say about that?

Joey wrote:But wait a minute, why were there 5 total administrative votes with 4 administrators? Well, some of us voted for two. It's also worth noting that promoting two moderators allowed us to satisfy both those that voted for Kley and those that voted for GhostHawk, because neither of them were as high in the polls as Blueoak.

You guys should read more.

The poll was had to determine who to consider. You were voting for who was going to be looked at, so it wasn't like your hopes were being dashed. In fact, if it weren't for you, we wouldn't have an easy 5-man spread.

BUT, this was so played by ear that yeah, it was quite the clusterfuck. Also, it definitely would've been better if everyone like, said at least a few words on why they should get the job, to influence voters and all that. This is why you think ideas out before going through with them.

Everybody loses, basically. Par for the course of the SMBX community.

Although I don't really care about the placement anymore, I did take particular offense to this statement:
"The Admin team wasn't convinced that Blueoak fully changed his ways,"
I find it hard to believe I hadn't proved my ability and that I had changed entirely, given the amount of time I had. I feel like you're just calling me a dick as an excuse.

DarkMatt wrote:The poll was had to determine who to consider. You were voting for who was going to be looked at, so it wasn't like your hopes were being dashed. In fact, if it weren't for you, we wouldn't have an easy 5-man spread.

BUT, this was so played by ear that yeah, it was quite the clusterfuck. Also, it definitely would've been better if everyone like, said at least a few words on why they should get the job, to influence voters and all that. This is why you think ideas out before going through with them.

Everybody loses, basically. Par for the course of the SMBX community.

What DarkMatt said.

ALSO

8bitmushroom wrote:You came to a tie on the polls, you decided to take GhostHawk over Magician.

I really don't blame them.
Besides, I was picked in a tie over someone who actually got the position; that seems to me pretty fair. If the staff had objectively decided that GhostHawk would be a better moderator than myself, and I had gotten one more vote, he'd have been denied the chance. Then they'd probably end up picking someone else over me, or perhaps just Kley. That would suck three different kinds of death-infested mushroom balls. Not because Kley's bad, but because I think Kley and GhostHawk are a better choice than just Kley alone.
I don't think it would have made much of a difference if I was made a 6th finalist anyway.

FanofSMBX wrote:There's something I don't get. Why did we do this "administrative veto" thing? If all the admins didnt like a particular member, they would have held no chance in getting it - which sounds rather

biased

By your logic, any staff decision could be bad because pretty much anything they do can be subjected to a hypothetical query about their personal biases towards what they decided. What matters is if they are actually biased, and you can't conclude that simply by flat-out disagreeing with their decision.
The only way you can conclude that the staff are biased without being biased yourself is by discussing the matter at hand. Will Kley and GhostHawk be good moderators? Will they be better moderators than Blueoak, DarkMatt, or Natsu? Those are the questions you could objectively be asking. You could also provide arguments as to whom you think would have been a better moderator.

Bomber57 wrote:If it were literally up to the administration, why even have the poll in the first place? Not only does it waste time but it gets the hopes of others, like Blueoak, way up. Especially when that user is the most popular vote of the community.

The poll was intended as a means to consider user input, but your argument is probably one of the reasons it won't happen again. I think just the fact of seeing the poll naturally gives people a strong belief in its influence, even when logically it seems not to be the case.

I mean I kind of knew it would be like this ever since Rezienni debated with Joey about it on the nomination thread. And even before that, I suspected. It's just consistent with how this forum is run. It doesn't surprise me that people didn't pick up on that, though.

Still. I can't help but fully blame anyone who got THAT invested in the poll and didn't take in all of the relevant information regarding it. If they had, I think they would have reasonably checked their expectations.

Raster wrote:Get rid of the poll entirely and ask users who they want to be a moderator and why. It's great to have user input and it's even better when they actually have a good reason for their vote. It would be interesting to debate whether someone would be a capable moderator or not. The staff can chime in as well and get more involved with the election. After the election is over, the staff would read the thread and promote the person who is most capable whilst taking into consideration the users' opinions.

This is what we needed, I think, though I'm not going to assume the outcome would have been completely different. I guess we won't know for sure, though.

But y'all heard the guy; this won't be happening again. There's a clear reason for that. Don't think they aren't aware of your complaints.

To start off, holding an election was probably the best thing to do. Just having a random user replace my position as Global Moderator would have annoyed people even more. In my opinion, I would consider that biased. We held the election because we wanted to see which users recognized potential candidates for the position, along with having a few choices to choose from for the job.

That's just an assumption. People didn't bash anything when FallingSnow or Namyrr were promoted. To me it seemed like a lazy explanation especially coming from you.

Blueoak was never a terrible mod. While he was a bit inactive, same could be said about other stafff members.

I disagree with promoting someone on grounds of "he was a beta tester". You should promote someone based on their capability, not their history here.

I also question the way the poll was run. Some users (notably Kley) got huge amounts of votes in two hourss or so (Kley got like 10 votes when nobody was active).

I believe that I would like to say a few things.

The administrators and the rest of the forum staff made the right decision by holding this election. I would like to congratulate GhostHawk and Kley, I believed in both of you strongly. I am happy with the decision that has been made, and I cannot argue with a double promotion. I trust that both of you will be fair and brilliant moderators and will continue to moderate the boards for years to come.

As for the rest of you, calm down. The administrators have made the final decision, and nothing will change that unless these new mods go mad with power.

Again i would like to congratulate the new mods, and we all will be aiming towards moderator status in the future.

Peace!

Fabman650

well, not having anything against GhostHawk... but i prefer Magician over him...

m4sterbr0s wrote: More importantly, you guys should be thankful that there is still a SMBX forum today. What if there was not a forum? There wouldn't be anymore SMBX. There wouldn't be anymore interactions. There wouldn't be any more contests, etc..

Uhhh duude?
There is at least 3 or 4 more smbx forums,if not more.
If this forum ended the community would migrate to another forum.

lucasadrianogb wrote:

m4sterbr0s wrote: More importantly, you guys should be thankful that there is still a SMBX forum today. What if there was not a forum? There wouldn't be anymore SMBX. There wouldn't be anymore interactions. There wouldn't be any more contests, etc..

Uhhh duude?
There is at least 3 or 4 more smbx forums,if not more.
If this forum ended the community would migrate to another forum.

But not into mine as i don't want any users spreading their shit there.

Good even though i was suprised at the beginning i actually will say now that we should let them both try being good mods afterall.

m4sterbr0s wrote:To start off, holding an election was probably the best thing to do. Just having a random user replace my position as Global Moderator would have annoyed people even more. In my opinion, I would consider that biased. We held the election because we wanted to see which users recognized potential candidates for the position, along with having a few choices to choose from for the job.

Quoting Knux: Choosing "randomly" a user the staff thinks it would fit for the GMod job would be more biased than choosing between 5 elected judged on personal likings such as good level designer or a friend? Honestly, I really doubt it. No, to be even more frank, you're wrong, all of you. There wouldn't be any bias, there never was considering that's what the staff has been doing over the past years on many forums, and the user base of the such wasn't this disturbed, ever.

m4sterbr0s wrote:Kley showed that he deserved the job. He's been active here on the forums, along with being active in previous SMBX forums, being a level judge almost every time. In addition, he played a huge role in beta testing SMBX when it was still being updated. So, I think it's only fair that he should deserve the position.

Wait, you're basing it on his history? That's even more biased. He clearly IS indeed active, and he currently helps the community being a level judge, although I personally did not see so many reviews from him. But the fact he has been on other forums and that he beta tested SMBX when it was still on development has nothing to do with our current situation. Just as Reizenni wasn't considereted for even being accepted on the elections, this kind of judgement shouldn't have been given. There are limits on how biased someone can get.

m4sterbr0s wrote:The reason Blueoak was not chosen was because of his previous actions in the past as a global moderator. The Admin team wasn't convinced that Blueoak fully changed his ways, and even though he's improved his actions, there's still more he has to do to prove himself worthy of being a global moderator in the future once more.

In other words, you're afriad of such situation to repeat. It's an understandable reason. Though, people often change, sometimes to bad and sometimes to good, and not letting that person fix his mistakes is the biggest kind of ignorace you could possibly give to someone. Although I really dobut that would be your intention guys, not letting Blueoak prove he has changed is like not letting a school student who has done a lot of antics prove he has changed by not letting him take a test or an exam even though his calification isn't that bad. Again, that's also somewhat biased. It is still understandable though, many Admins run accross these situations and it's not easy, it clearly isn't.

m4sterbr0s wrote:Darkmatt wasn't chosen for the job because of the way he moderates. As a former moderator, Darkmatt was known for being a bit too strict at times, and we didn't want a global moderator handing out warnings and bans over small problems.

I can understand that, he shows signs of being that way before.

m4sterbr0s wrote:It really came down to GhostHawk and Natsu. We chose GhostHawk over Natsu mainly because of his dedication towards improving the SMBX wiki. Other than that, both GhostHawk and Natsu are equally active and good people on the forums.

I also put some dedication but couldn't keep working on it since I had to do some stuff IRL. But I guess that can't be called an excuse.

m4sterbr0s wrote:I'd like to say this, however: Joey was NOT biased about these decisions, nor us. Both GhostHawk and Kley deserve their positions because they are good users, and they have both been involved with improving and helping SMBX.

I agree about GhostHawk, but I'm not entirely sure about Kley though, as I explained how major of the reasons you stipulated shouldn't be taken into consideration.

m4sterbr0s wrote:More importantly, you guys should be thankful that there is still a SMBX forum today. What if there was not a forum? There wouldn't be anymore SMBX. There wouldn't be anymore interactions. There wouldn't be any more contests, etc. SMBX would have dwindled and die at this point.

Oh, I am thankful for having a place to be. But I still don't agree with the decissions the staff has taken, not just that, the fact that we don't get answers like yours so often is one of the things that bother me the most.

m4sterbr0s wrote:Instead of criticizing Joey and wishing bad luck upon him in the future as an Administrator, start off by at least thanking the dude for setting up a SMBX forum that brought a lot of users together again, in addition to looking like the very first SMBX forum some of us we used to be part of. That is all.

I feel this message goes toward my post. I never wished bad luck upon Joey, I said he is not doing things right, and because of that he would probably go throughout a storm of bad-administration. That's not wishing bad luck, that's guessing the future based on how things haven't changed.

Knux wrote:You guys are insects as far as Joey is concerned.

Which is a shame really,

because without insects, humans can't survive.

I'm sorry but that's just not true at all. Everyone's discussion here, both positive and negative, is important to him.

The reason he's being as you say "neglective" is that more administrative decisions made on his own about this election would likely cause more problems. I'm sure he'd be willing to make a reply of his own later on which better explains the situation from his perspective.

GhostHawk wrote:The reason he's being as you say "neglective" is that more administrative decisions made on his own about this election would likely cause more problems. I'm sure he'd be willing to make a reply of his own later on which better explains the situation from his perspective.

If that's the case, then why haven't we seen an answer to all his ignorance? There has been lots of time to explain everything and give answers. The reason he hasn't, is because he doesn't really pay much attention in the first place. Sure, he probably looks at the important parts of the issue, but what about everything else?

Reizenni wrote:

GhostHawk wrote:The reason he's being as you say "neglective" is that more administrative decisions made on his own about this election would likely cause more problems. I'm sure he'd be willing to make a reply of his own later on which better explains the situation from his perspective.

If that's the case, then why haven't we seen an answer to all his ignorance? There has been lots of time to explain everything and give answers. The reason he hasn't, is because he doesn't really pay much attention in the first place. Sure, he probably looks at the important parts of the issue, but what about everything else?

He wanted to make a reply yesterday but he was discussing the situation with staff first, and that's disregarding the paper he had to write last night anyway. That's all I can say though since I can't be certain of what he has and hasn't seen in the thread so far. It's very much likely that he will be able to make a post later on today, in more detail than what he would've wrote yesterday.

I'm still waiting on a better reason than me not having changed enough. Hell, giving me that shit has probably made me change back again, so good job there.

I believe it was something about me having only been promoted by you (which was false, as I had a job on SMBXR first) and after you deleted everything and were demoted I had to go too.

Actually, here's the PM from Joey.
"In case you're wondering why you no longer have access to the staff forums/channel, we decided to remove that privilege due to you not having had much of an active role in the staff. You were only staffed in the first place by Knux, and due to the merge(s) we felt it necessary to give you staff here as well - that time has ended, and (since we didn't really agree with you being a staff member in the first place) so has your role as a staff member/contributor."