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The probem is that he is criticising me rather then my arguments, wich is a sophism (you guys also does it), and the worst is that I am not even ignorant or having any lack of logical trought; I simply did an error, okay, but this single error doesn't defines my whole personnality. I also said that I apologise if I gave a bad imgae of myself. Thanks.

arcade999 wrote:The probem is that he is criticising me rather then my arguments, wich is a sophism (you guys also does it), and the worst is that I am not even ignorant or having any lack of logical trought; I simply did an error, okay, but this single error doesn't defines my whole personnality. I also said that I apologise if I gave a bad imgae of myself. Thanks.

They did criticize your arguments though, because Aero, Panda, and Danny have disproven almost every claim you've made so far.

Really great discussion guys. All's I can really say at this point is that only time will tell what will happen. I can only hope that North Korea will just listen to the sanctions placed on them and finally surrender their nukes. Sadly that may never happen.

Everyone in the world should just stop war. Jeez.

I think the best goal with wars is to avoid being involved, and if you have to be involved, be the one to end the war, not start it.

I always just assumed that North Korea IS all talk, and that they want to seem imposing and dangerous because they want to be left alone. I could be wrong, but even if I am, my decision would be the same. If they are going to attack anyone, then they should be the first to attack. Besides, I find it hard to imagine that any atrocity they might commit as a nation to its own citizens would be worse than risking a world war.

I find it pretty funny that we're discussing something as stupid as this

Eureka wrote:I find it pretty funny that we're discussing something as stupid as this

Please don't make posts like this that don't really add anything to the discussion. Thanks.

tbh if you ask me north korea is more bark than bite

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They definitely are on the international stage; I think the main argument of those in favor of invading North Korea is that they definitely do have a ton of bite against their own citizens. Unfortunately, an invasion by a foreign country would probably not help with the underlying problems in the way that some hope...

North Korea has a shoestring military budget, no economy to speak of, and their only claim to being a threat is a limited supply of nuclear weapons. North Korea could be invaded following preemptive strikes on their nuclear facilities, but the retaliation has to be considered along with the immediate refugee problem that will emerge. North Korea really only has the power to knock over a single domino but it's everything after that's the actual threat. And again once all of the dominoes have fallen, you have chaos left over when the regime changes. China doesn't want a unified Korea or a regime sympathetic to the US enough to allow military bases, the US doesn't want another equally dangerous regime hostile to it or its allies, and the people of North Korea have a right to self determination. Because of this the US can't install a sympathetic government like previous attempts in the middle east, they can't invest in the region like they did for Europe after WWII with the Marshal Plan for the same reasons, and neither the US nor China will let the other engage in any opportunism which will make the post-war reconstruction ready for the most aggressive bunch to take control.

The only way I see this working out is if the US and China can negotiate terms that North Korea must follow (i.e. halting its nuclear tests, releasing all prisoners from the concentration camps, allowance of U.N. peacekeepers to inspect as they please) and create a shared red line for military intervention if the agreement is breached. Tbh, that's what I thought President Trump would do but right now he's just trying to see who blinks first with both countries mounting up tensions.