Will SMBX eventually die?

[FireyPaperMario]

The answer to this question is a solid maybe! Unless some snitch decided to tell Nintendo!

[Snessy the duck]

The answer to this question is a solid maybe! Unless some snitch decided to tell Nintendo!

Again, Nintendo already knows about SMBX.

[ElectriKong]

The answer to this question is a solid maybe! Unless some snitch decided to tell Nintendo!

Nintendo knows about this game and may have already tried taking it down. It failed, so I think SMBX is safe.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Nintendo has tried to take it down once. And we are all here, aren't we? They either get money out of it or gave up and decided to leave the SMBX community alone.

[HeroLinik]

The answer to this question is a solid maybe! Unless some snitch decided to tell Nintendo!

Nintendo knows about this game and may have already tried taking it down. It failed, so I think SMBX is safe.

It wasn't SMBX they were trying to take down, it was Redigit's site that just happened to have SMBX on it. From what I think, it was because he was infringing on the Super Mario Bros. trademark and making money off the ads. If SMBX wasn't there, the site would have still likely been taken down, but it would take longer due to SMBX being the main reason people flocked to his site.

[Thehelmetguy1]

I guess that is true. Nintendo's main goal there was to take down SMB.org

[Mable]

Nintendo knows about this game and may have already tried taking it down. It failed, so I think SMBX is safe.

I guess that is true. Nintendo's main goal there was to take down SMB.org

Nope Nintendo did take down smbx also not just claimed the site.

Smbx as you know uses their stuff which is copyrighted by them, and since mario was one of the playables they had the right to take it down which they did.

Redigit made a video in which he stated that they gave him a C&D for smbx and told him to remove any download link for smbx.

So, as you said they failed and that smbx is safe is wrong. It uses copyrighted graphics by nintendo which gives them the right to take it down, which is what happend years before on the original forum.

[ElectriKong]

Except they kind of failed because we are able to download and play it today.

[HeroLinik]

Also, it should be noted about the ways people are discovering SMBX nowadays. Back in the day, in the age of the classical SMBX forums, people often found SMBX through various means, such as SMW hacking, Mario Builder or, if you remember the older versions, through SMB.org. Those older means are still around, but since the success of this forum we've seen a surge in people - what I'd define as the new generation of the SMBX community, and a lot of them discovered SMBX through bossedit8's YouTube videos, to the point where some members are doing SMBX on their YouTube channels (the most common response to this new generation to how they found SMBX is "Seeing a video of SMBX on YouTube" which lends to this).

In other words, bossedit8 could potentially be giving SMBX the life support it deserves. If bossedit8 wasn't as popular as he is now, or he ended up getting terminated, the forums would most likely start stagnating at some point. The announcement of 2.0 also helped bring in some members as well, but there wouldn't have been as many if bossedit8 wasn't as popular.

[Mable]

Except they kind of failed because we are able to download and play it today.

Following this would suggest they failed at taking down asmr and some pokemon fan games the shut down.

Just cause some people uploaded it again after the takedown doesn't mean they failed at it. When they takedown a game like smbx they mostly stop caring about new links.. but look the devolpement of smbx was erased and with that they got what they wanted.

It wasn't until of 2.0 that smbx finally got some kind of update since the takedown.

So basically all they want with a takedown is to stop the devolpement of the game, smbx 2.0 can be targeted but so far it didn't.

Same goes to 1.4

[Cedur]

imo it's not only because of bossedit; wiiliketoplay also LP'd The Invasion 2 and I guess that's just at least significant.

[Knux]

The Super Mario franchise is still very popular and IIRC Mario games are Nintendo's best-selling (Mario Kart 8 is the best selling Wii U game, at 8.31 million copies). There are millions of Mario fans and a lot of them are familiar with the internet, and come across Mario level editors a lot. SMBX has a lot of appeal to it, which is something other editors don't have hence why you barely hear anything about games like Super Mario Flash anymore. With the exception of rom-hacking, there has yet to be another level editor that tops it.

In the 8 years I have been a part of this community, I have never felt it decline dramatically at any point. It dips on occasion but it's never been 'dead' or 'dying' as some people have put it. However, I have noticed that most people who are on these forums now are not the same as those back in 2009-12. Technically speaking, we are in the second generation of the SMBX community. I can barely name 10 members who have been here since day one.

We've also been able to modify SMBX for a few years now, and Talkhaus/Raocow helped maintain its popularity. In addition to this, Bossedit8's YouTube channel has definitely helped to gain attention. As of posting this, there are 91 users online. During my tenure as community leader, my forum would have around 20-30 users online at a time. Maybe more, but certainly not 90. And again, it's a completely different generation of users now.

Nintendo did try and stop the distribution of SMBX in 2010, and haven't tried anything since. I wondered if Super Mario Maker would hurt this community (or vice versa, in terms of sales) but nah, we're good.

[HeroLinik]

In the 8 years I have been a part of this community, I have never felt it decline dramatically at any point. It dips on occasion but it's never been 'dead' or 'dying' as some people have put it. However, I have noticed that most people who are on these forums now are not the same as those back in 2009-12. Technically speaking, we are in the second generation of the SMBX community. I can barely name 10 members who have been here since day one.

Even though the second generation is the most active as of now, we're still seeing a fair amount of activity from the first generation users on the forum, like bossedit8 as you mentioned, Enjl, me (I do miss being called castlewars...), the admins (with the exception of ZM12) and MECHDRAGON777. The first generation still linger around, but as you said, their activity has diminished a lot to the point where it's almost impossible to tell due to people leaving. Despite being a first generation user, I've found that the second generation is quite friendly and nearly all of my friends on the forum are from the second generation, like The Thwomp King, arcade999 and MosaicMario, to name a few. This attitude could help propel the growth of the forums by encouraging new users to stay and feel welcome.

[Knux]

I don't remember any of you guys turning up until around 2013 haha. maybe you were around, i can't remember. And I agree, the community is more relaxed now. less drama and less arguments so it seems. back then you couldn't go a day without someone throwing a hissy fit.

[HeroLinik]

I don't remember any of you guys turning up until around 2013 haha. maybe you were around, i can't remember.

Actually, I joined your forum back in early 2011 or something! I was under the name darkbowser and I remember getting banned as soon as I joined for spam posts (good times...). The only reason I surfaced was due to the hijacking of your site and all bans getting released, so I reintroduced myself there (I was already on NSMBX), got my name changed, and I was ready to go! Although to be honest, I've felt that late 2012 to early 2013 was quite a dip in terms of activity, most likely because 1.3 had pretty much been exhausted as much as possible in terms of gimmicks.

[Waddle]

In the 8 years I have been a part of this community, I have never felt it decline dramatically at any point. It dips on occasion but it's never been 'dead' or 'dying' as some people have put it. However, I have noticed that most people who are on these forums now are not the same as those back in 2009-12. Technically speaking, we are in the second generation of the SMBX community. I can barely name 10 members who have been here since day one.

Even though the second generation is the most active as of now, we're still seeing a fair amount of activity from the first generation users on the forum, like bossedit8 as you mentioned, Enjl, me (I do miss being called castlewars...), the admins (with the exception of ZM12) and MECHDRAGON777. The first generation still linger around, but as you said, their activity has diminished a lot to the point where it's almost impossible to tell due to people leaving. Despite being a first generation user, I've found that the second generation is quite friendly and nearly all of my friends on the forum are from the second generation, like The Thwomp King, arcade999 and MosaicMario, to name a few. This attitude could help propel the growth of the forums by encouraging new users to stay and feel welcome.

What attitude? Dividing the forum users up in "first" and "second" generation members? That wouldn't encourage new users to stay and feel welcome at all, quite the contrary.

As for your actual division, it sucks. Who exactly are the "first" generation members? Just the people you remember from when you joined, or is there some specific timeframe to decide wether someone is a "first" generation member or not.

[aero]

back then you couldn't go a day without someone throwing a hissy fit.

what do you mean by that ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

[Knux]

As for your actual division, it sucks. Who exactly are the "first" generation members? Just the people you remember from when you joined, or is there some specific timeframe to decide wether someone is a "first" generation member or not.

This wasn't meant to be an insult... what I was saying is the userbase who were around back in the original forum/CT/knuxforums (2010) days are no longer present in this community. At a rough estimate, only about 20-30% have remained active, with exceptions such as returning members etc. It's seemingly a totally different group of people now.

what do you mean by that ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

SMBX was just very political from 2010-14.

[ElectriKong]

As for your actual division, it sucks. Who exactly are the "first" generation members? Just the people you remember from when you joined, or is there some specific timeframe to decide wether someone is a "first" generation member or not.

I think he is saying we are in a 'second generation' because most of the 'first generation' users have left the community. I guess the second generation would start when the first generation userbase started diminishing. The 3d generation would therefore start when we have lost most of the current users.

[Shadow Yoshi]

Here's how I would organize users, which is based mostly on the different forums and is more like groups instead of generations:

- People who were an active part of the original forums (Quill, Valtteri, Kyasarin)
- People who were on Knux's Forums in its early days before the closing of the original forums (Knux, speedy, Donutyoshi)
- People who were an active part of TrekWeb (TLtimelord, FallingSnow, me)
- People who were active at Knux's in 2011 as it became the central location for the SMBX community (Enjl, Chad, Linik)
- People who were active on NSMBX (Magician, Natsu, Blue Toad)
- People who were active on SMBXR (Mable/Sinem/etc., Kep (?), Cloud)
- People who were an active part of the SMBX forums in 2014 (zlakerboy357, Zeldamaster12, Spinda)

...and the rest (from 2014 onward, really) is more up to interpretation, and of course there were a lot more people in each group and many of us overlap. I definitely recognize the recent spur of active members that joined in the last 6-8 months (practicalshorty014, Ryaa, etc.).

And then we can also consider groups that are/were friends or shared a common characteristic, such as the "DOTA crew" (Nien, qig, Ragont, etc.), the people who (I think) came to SMBX from SRB2 (Kyasarin/Luminous, Vandarx, Conker), and probably others.

Long story short, everyone is important.

I also should write a guide at some point as to SMBX's history (especially with the C&D and related stuff) to clear up the misinformation.