M35: Frozen Solid End

[MECHDRAGON777]

Anyway, my idea is to have the hunter public claim, and the field medic protect them and to get proof the Zelda master is the hunter's apprentice or a mafia. Not sure, but could not the Now Golem kill and paint the dead another color as well? What if Zelda Master is a normal townie that the snow golem color changed (if I read that ability correctly)

The snow golem just prevents the death of player caused by the mafia to be announced, so ZM12 must have been a mafia or the hunter's apprentice. Also it is actually a 1 in 5 that he was the hunter's apprentice, so that makes it even better for us.

Yeah that is true, I could not check while typing from my phone. Either way, I still think we could confirm that he was the hunter's apprentice, by doing so, we could even get a sherrif mouthpiece that the field medic could protect every night.

[RudeGuy]

Who is up for this plan though? Also, everyone to claim hunter's apprentice can be fakeing their role, in which they are mafia. so when the hunter survives night 2 suggested that the field medic also survives, the field medic can then then make an alliance with the hunter if no one died as the mafia would have targeted the hunter. Who agrees, and if you see flaws, please point then out.

if anyone counterclaims, the wolf tamer should just inspect who counterclaimed. the field medic also shouldn't waste his ability on one of the people who claimed (think about it, why would the mafia kill whoever claimed hunter when one of them tried to counterclaim?) (also i hope i understood the last part of your post)
either way i like this idea

[MECHDRAGON777]

Who is up for this plan though? Also, everyone to claim hunter's apprentice can be fakeing their role, in which they are mafia. so when the hunter survives night 2 suggested that the field medic also survives, the field medic can then then make an alliance with the hunter if no one died as the mafia would have targeted the hunter. Who agrees, and if you see flaws, please point then out.

if anyone counterclaims, the wolf tamer should just inspect who counterclaimed. the field medic also shouldn't waste his ability on one of the people who claimed (think about it, why would the mafia kill whoever claimed hunter when one of them tried to counterclaim?) (also i hope i understood the last part of your post)
either way i like this idea

My idea was that the medic would protect the hunter, not one of the counter claimies, but thanks.

[MacheTheFerret]

As a word of caution, basing who is Mafia on inactivity alone will be very dangerous this game, because there's a chance "inactive" people have actually been silenced by the Ice Spirit.

Of course, I wasn't, since I just posted, but think about it. Also remember that people have lives outside the game and that school, work, or other factors might hinder them from reaching the forums in time to post.

[Thehelmetguy1]

The snow golem just prevents the death of player caused by the mafia to be announced, so ZM12 must have been a mafia or the hunter's apprentice. Also it is actually a 1 in 5 that he was the hunter's apprentice, so that makes it even better for us.

Actually not, banished townie can't be nightkilled, so it is actually 1 in 4. Also, the inactive players could be silenced by the ice spirit or dead(Snow golem ability).

Anyway, my idea is to have the hunter public claim, and the field medic protect them and to get proof the Zelda master is the hunter's apprentice or a mafia. Not sure, but could not the Now Golem kill and paint the dead another color as well? What if Zelda Master is a normal townie that the snow golem color changed (if I read that ability correctly)

From what I saw, only two people were announced to be killed, while from what I saw, 4 people in total can die(I might be wrong). However, the skeletal miner would not be smart if he used the nightkill at night 1. And I don't think he did it as well. So, that means that either:
-The hunter didn't nightkill anyone because he was scared of killing a member of the town;
-The mafia killed someone and the snow golem hid his death;
-The skeletal miner roleblocked the SS or the Hunter
-The SS or hunter attempted to kill someone that is immune to nightkill. It is possible for the skeletal miner to have tried, but as I said before he wouldn't be smart doing so.
It is also highly unlikely that the SS didn't nightkill, for obvious reasons.
Well, about the field medic not saving anyone it might be either:
-He was killed and the snow golem hid his death;
-He was roleblocked.
However, this doesn't give any clue about who is who. It clarifies some things though.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Hey, is it ok to start lynch voting?

[MacDuckBeat]

Oh my gosh, I'm late. Am I ?

[Julia Pseudo]

Hey, is it ok to start lynch voting?

Yes it is, you can vote any time during a day phase.

[MECHDRAGON777]

Hey, is it ok to start lynch voting?

Yes it is, you can vote any time during a day phase.

I am not sure if we have to worry about phantom votes, but I do not want to slip and vote for the wrong person.

The snow golem just prevents the death of player caused by the mafia to be announced, so ZM12 must have been a mafia or the hunter's apprentice. Also it is actually a 1 in 5 that he was the hunter's apprentice, so that makes it even better for us.

Actually not, banished townie can't be nightkilled, so it is actually 1 in 4. Also, the inactive players could be silenced by the ice spirit or dead(Snow golem ability).

Anyway, my idea is to have the hunter public claim, and the field medic protect them and to get proof the Zelda master is the hunter's apprentice or a mafia. Not sure, but could not the Now Golem kill and paint the dead another color as well? What if Zelda Master is a normal townie that the snow golem color changed (if I read that ability correctly)

From what I saw, only two people were announced to be killed, while from what I saw, 4 people in total can die(I might be wrong). However, the skeletal miner would not be smart if he used the nightkill at night 1. And I don't think he did it as well. So, that means that either:
-The hunter didn't nightkill anyone because he was scared of killing a member of the town;
-The mafia killed someone and the snow golem hid his death;
-The skeletal miner roleblocked the SS or the Hunter
-The SS or hunter attempted to kill someone that is immune to nightkill. It is possible for the skeletal miner to have tried, but as I said before he wouldn't be smart doing so.
It is also highly unlikely that the SS didn't nightkill, for obvious reasons.
Well, about the field medic not saving anyone it might be either:
-He was killed and the snow golem hid his death;
-He was roleblocked.
However, this doesn't give any clue about who is who. It clarifies some things though.

-Well, the SM most likely did not kill
-The Snow Golem most likely killed since we would not have any knowledge of it except for the mafia and the dead townie. (Just reread and the snow golem does not kill, just has a one time hide of the mafia's kill.

If there really are a max of 4 kills possible at any one time, that means The Hunter/Soul Salesman and the Mafia both got someone last night. Also, both common knowledge that the Hunter which seems to be a vigilante rename, he would not kill night one, but of course, I have done that before. I would put my money that Zeldamaster12 was killed by the Soul Salesman (3/4 chance of being true) or by the mafia (1/4 chance of being true) with this info. We know that if he was killed by the Hunter, We know Zeldamaster12[/strike] would automatically be with the mafia, however, that would be not smart at all. Going by past games, I think Zeldamaster12[/strike] is the apprentice since he always dies on night one when he is not a mafia member. This is just speculation at this point based on past games though. (about Zeldamaster12[/strike]'s alignment) Anyone have any good plans on who to lynch though? I would say that at least one person in the mafia is a returning player. (Only way Zeldamaster12[/strike] could be mafia is if the Soul Salesmen went after him then) Sorry if this seems like rambling. Just trying to think of a logical way though this game.

[PersonNamedUser]

Well, i really can't think of any leads, i was gone pretty much all day. Though it kinda sucks Spinda ALWAYS dies night 1.

[Witchking666]

Well, i really can't think of any leads, i was gone pretty much all day. Though it kinda sucks Spinda ALWAYS dies night 1.

It really does suck. He almost never survives night 1.

[Sevennights]

i have nothing really important to say, and most likely will say something someone else has said. regardless, i am active (somewhat) and will co e in and read what is going on and do stuff.

Spinda and zm was killed for the fact of ridding pros, or random kills as they are well known.
Somewhat bad idea time! i guess
lets say hunter claims, wolf inspects, medic heals? would that be good or no? bad? its flawed yes but could work right? no? maybe?

[MECHDRAGON777]

i have nothing really important to say, and most likely will say something someone else has said. regardless, i am active (somewhat) and will co e in and read what is going on and do stuff.

Spinda and zm was killed for the fact of ridding pros, or random kills as they are well known.
Somewhat bad idea time! i guess
lets say hunter claims, wolf inspects, medic heals? would that be good or no? bad? its flawed yes but could work right? no? maybe?

That is a pretty good summary of my three paragraph plan.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Well, and as I said before the hidden mafia victim could have been the field medic, reason why he didn't save anyone. There is also the possibility that he was roleblocked. And well, of course some inactive players might be frozen or dead, then hidden by the snow golem. However some can be inactive on purpose for these reasons, to avoid lynch votes, since they will obviously not count with the killer, and if the frozen person is lynched then the last one to vote for him dies instead.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Hey, do I have to send my vote on this thread? Sorry, it is my first mafia game

[Cedur]

The people who have NOT posted thus far are Rudeguy, Waddle Derp and Pseudo. Interestingly Pseudo clarified something for thehelmetguy by using the game master color, so it wouldn't count as "talking as a player", while on this matter I would have expected him to not use GM color if he didn't have to. Chances are he's the one who was frozen. The Mafia can easily think of freezing someone of their own because that makes them basically immune against getting lynched. This also implies that both the innkeeper and the hunter ARE important roles for the town (in fact all blues are).

Also @thehelmetguy: I assume that no blue died, under the realistic assumption that the hunter didn't kill already and I also don't think it's clever for the snow golem to use his ability this early. The simplest and most likely scenario is that mafia killed Spinda and the SS killed ZM. Also the rules are here

[Thehelmetguy1]

Yes, that would be the most likely option. The hunter didn't kill anyone with fear that he would kill someone from the town. I am suspecting on the most inactive players, but I am not gonna lynch vote anyone yet. Also as you said Pseudo is much probably frozen, taking the fact that she sent me a post with the GM color as base. The mafia also obviously has a reason to silence an experient player like Pseudo. And she(Look at her signature) not saying anything this day except when talking to me is weird. So I guess we already know who was silenced.

[MECHDRAGON777]

The people who have NOT posted thus far are Rudeguy, Waddle Derp and Pseudo. Interestingly Pseudo clarified something for thehelmetguy by using the game master color, so it wouldn't count as "talking as a player", while on this matter I would have expected him to not use GM color if he didn't have to. Chances are he's the one who was frozen. The Mafia can easily think of freezing someone of their own because that makes them basically immune against getting lynched. This also implies that both the innkeeper and the hunter ARE important roles for the town (in fact all blues are).

Also @thehelmetguy: I assume that no blue died, under the realistic assumption that the hunter didn't kill already and I also don't think it's clever for the snow golem to use his ability this early. The simplest and most likely scenario is that mafia killed Spinda and the SS killed ZM. Also the rules are here

Rudeguy did post actually: viewtopic.php?f=75&t=17552&start=40#p253181

Also, Pseudo might be frozen, I do not think she is (look at her signature if you want to know why I am saying She all of a sudden) though since when it comes to simple rule clarification, and other moderator messages, they should post in their role color. GameMasters just so happen to be a Moderator and an Administrator here. I will not be able to reply or be that active while I am live streaming though.

[Waddle]

Let's not make the mistake of lynching inactives again. It's been tried often and it has barely ever worked. That aside, I'm not a fan of mechdragon's plan either since it means exposure of a blue. Protecting the hunter the night afterwards is a cute attempt, but the mafia might as well target someone else, in which case a blue was revealed to no avail and a town dies. I say we wait until at least day 2 in trying to find "leads".

[Thehelmetguy1]

All 14 people alive posted, except Pseudo. So I think it is safe to say she is frozen. And I agree with Waddle Derp. It is not a good idea to protect the hunter every night, because it would pretty much reveal his identity.