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[mariogeek2]

All right, I'm going to take a risk and just play this episode with the latest Lua build. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky like I did with Hypno' Redo.

Also, that review of Redo is coming..... sometime.... maybe?

[underFlo]

that'll probably not work so just???? download 2.0????

[PixelPest]

It definitely won't work since one of the levels uses Maverick Thwomps, plus I'm sure there's other issues too

[Emral]

It definitely won't work since one of the levels uses Maverick Thwomps, plus I'm sure there's other issues too

And boo circles, and boo lasers....

mariogeek. The first post says you need beta 3. I didn't write that without reason. If you wanna play the game, play it on the correct build of the game.

[Valentine]

All right, I'm going to take a risk and just play this episode with the latest Lua build. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky like I did with Hypno' Redo.

Also, that review of Redo is coming..... sometime.... maybe?

Unless you mean the one with shaders, you're just fucking dumb.

[mariogeek2]

And boo circles, and boo lasers....

mariogeek. The first post says you need beta 3. I didn't write that without reason. If you wanna play the game, play it on the correct build of the game.

You said I needed 2.0 to play Hypnosis Redo, but it worked just fine for me. PLUS, the Forgotten Mansion level had boo circles, and they worked just fine.

Unless you mean the one with shaders, you're just fucking dumb.

The "one" what? The episode? Latest build? What are you referring to?

[Valentine]

The build. Also the boo circles were from an API and not from the basegame. APIs for bony beetles, maverick thwomps and shit don't exist outside of 2.0.

Why are you so fucking reluctant to just download 2.0 holy shit.

[Zeldamaster12]

Why are you so resistant to downloading 2.0? It's still in beta, yes, but it still works just fine and whether you like it or not, most episodes in the future will be using 2.0. Either be resistant to change and stick with the lower quality 1.3.0.1, or download the newest version, which is what the majority of the community is already using.

[mariogeek2]

The build. Also the boo circles were from an API and not from the basegame. APIs for bony beetles, maverick thwomps and shit don't exist outside of 2.0.

Why are you so fucking reluctant to just download 2.0 holy shit.

Oh. I didn't even know shaders were a thing. That's restricted to 2.0 I bet, right?

And, yes, I kind of figured out that the boo circles were an API. 1.3 + Lua has tons of APIs. So 1.3 + Lua has boo buddy APIs, but not bony beetle or maverick thwomp APIs?

My reasons for not moving to 2.0 yet will be listed below.

Why are you so resistant to downloading 2.0? It's still in beta, yes, but it still works just fine and whether you like it or not, most episodes in the future will be using 2.0. Either be resistant to change and stick with the lower quality 1.3.0.1, or download the newest version, which is what the majority of the community is already using.

My reasons for not downloading 2.0 yet are as follows:
- I don't want it to be spoiled. This is the same reason I don't download project demos, or watch episode playthroughs. I want something to be "complete" before I experience it. That way I can get the whole experience and be totally suprised by everything.
- I don't like playing "incomplete" things. This is the kind of the same thing as my previous point, just slightly different. Yes, I'm sure 2.0 is mostly bug free. I just want my first experience to be as smooth as possible
- I'm stubborn. I don't like doing things because somebody is pushing me to do that thing. This is also why I'm still using Vanilla 1.3, not PGE for level editing. I don't like changing some things.
- 1.3 is simpler. I like simple things. This is why I don't really use Lua in any of my levels.

I'll stick with the lower quality 1.3.0.1. The only reason I'm dregging any of this up is because I thought there might be a chance I didn't need 2.0. I played Hypno' Redo just fine, even though it used boo circles and Enjl said I needed 2.0 for it.

[Valentine]

I literally just explained why 2.0 is required and you still think it isn't? Also good luck playing this episode in 2056, when 2.0 is out of beta

[mariogeek2]

I literally just explained why 2.0 is required and you still think it isn't? Also good luck playing this episode in 2056, when 2.0 is out of beta

I didn't say I still thought it wasn't required. I was pointing out that I thought there might be a chance because of Hypno' Redo and the circling boos.

And, if that's how long it takes, I will wait that long.

[Fuyu]

I'm not sure what works on 1.3.0.1 and what doesn't because I've switched to 2.0 from the start, but just to let you know, we have chosen guarantee over comfort. There is no telling if APIs developed for 2.0 will work on 1.3.0.1. I'd rather save that information for the people who know more about those details while I stay with 2.0, knowing that every API that has been released and works can be implemented. If you want to wait for 2.0 to be full suit yourself, however, there is no telling as far as I'm concerned when will it be 100% done, or bug free for that matter.

[mariogeek2]

Well, do you know who would know all of that information? Maybe someone like Kevsoft?

And, yes, if I have to wait for several years for 2.0 to be finished, then so be it. Ah well....

[Valentine]

I'm pretty sure that hypnosis redo was released before beta 3, therefore, that's why it worked.

This was released way afterwards

[Emral]

And boo circles, and boo lasers....

mariogeek. The first post says you need beta 3. I didn't write that without reason. If you wanna play the game, play it on the correct build of the game.

You said I needed 2.0 to play Hypnosis Redo, but it worked just fine for me. PLUS, the Forgotten Mansion level had boo circles, and they worked just fine.

I was wrong with Hypnosis Redo. The episode released a week before Beta 3 and Pyro actually included all the APIs for enemies needed in the episode. This is not the case here because this episode released after Beta 3 and doesn't use features that were introduced after said beta's release, allowing us to require a stable build of the game. The reason why I changed the description of the Hypnosis Redo topic is that now after B3's release people won't have to go through a patching process anymore that might end up breaking their SMBX installation in order to play the game.

Unless you mean the one with shaders, you're just fucking dumb.

The "one" what? The episode? Latest build? What are you referring to?

Latest lunalua build has shader support. However patching it into Beta 3 from the lunalua download website is a hassle.

Oh. I didn't even know shaders were a thing. That's restricted to 2.0 I bet, right?

As soon as we tie lunalua releases to 2.0 releases there's no point not to have 2.0.

And, yes, I kind of figured out that the boo circles were an API. 1.3 + Lua has tons of APIs. So 1.3 + Lua has boo buddy APIs, but not bony beetle or maverick thwomp APIs?

Every npc is an api.

- I don't want it to be spoiled. This is the same reason I don't download project demos, or watch episode playthroughs. I want something to be "complete" before I experience it. That way I can get the whole experience and be totally suprised by everything.

You are already spoiled on the enemies used in Forgotten Mansion. This episode doesn't use any 2.0 features aside from some of the enemies, most of which you have already seen. Not to mention, since it's a beta, stuff like characters are subject to change in future releases. See it as a limited time offer to fuck around with features.

- I don't like playing "incomplete" things. This is the kind of the same thing as my previous point, just slightly different. Yes, I'm sure 2.0 is mostly bug free. I just want my first experience to be as smooth as possible

This episode is complete and only has very minor bugs that aren't worth patching. None of the bugs in this game are related to the engine. It is, for all intents and purposes, finished and stable.

- I'm stubborn. I don't like doing things because somebody is pushing me to do that thing. This is also why I'm still using Vanilla 1.3, not PGE for level editing. I don't like changing some things.

You'll have to realise for yourself that all this mentality does is hinder yourself and make you a frustrating presence around other people.

- 1.3 is simpler. I like simple things. This is why I don't really use Lua in any of my levels.

You don't have to use lua to use 2.0. 2.0 adds tools to the mix, but using them is up to the developer. You're obviously not against playing episodes made with these tools because you played Hypnosis Redo, so why is it a problem now?

I'll stick with the lower quality 1.3.0.1.

Stop posting in this topic at once and don't return until you have something meaningful to say about the game.
If you want to continue this discussion, please take it to PM.

[Zeldamaster12]

I don't want it to be spoiled. This is the same reason I don't download project demos, or watch episode playthroughs. I want something to be "complete" before I experience it. That way I can get the whole experience and be totally suprised by everything.

This makes no sense when there's literally threads and Discord servers everywhere that talk about the new features of 2.0.

I don't like playing "incomplete" things. This is the kind of the same thing as my previous point, just slightly different. Yes, I'm sure 2.0 is mostly bug free. I just want my first experience to be as smooth as possible

2.0 is already smooth enough, otherwise people wouldn't be using it, including making entire episodes with it.

I'm stubborn. I don't like doing things because somebody is pushing me to do that thing. This is also why I'm still using Vanilla 1.3, not PGE for level editing. I don't like changing some things.

This is a prime example of being stuck in the past. You'd rather use an obsolete legacy editor with plenty of bugs (which is weird because you stated that you want the smoothest experience as possible) over the newest version that again, the majority of the community uses. People wouldn't use 2.0 if it didn't run smoothly.

I used to use the legacy editor, but I decided to try out PGE. I didn't like it at first, but once I found out where everything was, I found that it's much easier to build levels on PGE than the legacy editor. All these new versions take is getting used to.

1.3 is simpler. I like simple things. This is why I don't really use Lua in any of my levels.

So you'd rather use the older version full of bugs than the newer version with a lot more features just because 1.3.0.1 is "simple"? You don't use Lua, I don't either. Downloading 2.0 doesn't mean you have to use Lua.

Listen, I'm not going to force you to download 2.0, but you're seriously missing out if you don't. The dev team for 2.0 is doing amazing things that no one even thought was possible before. At least try it out and attempt to get used to it before you outright refuse to. Again, the community is moving towards a new direction with 2.0. The majority of the community uses it over 1.3.0.1 now, and that's not going to change, most likely ever.

[Cedur]

Also,

I don't want it to be spoiled. This is the same reason I don't download project demos, or watch episode playthroughs.

Checking out the 2.0 beta is really not comparable in any way with spoiling an episode through demo / LP. The only difference in terms of playing experience (apart from 2.0-exclusive characters which don't appear here) is the menu screen, some replaced character / switch blocks and some slightly tweaked sounds.

More importantly though ... I can't play this. After completing the intro scene (and getting warped into the pixelpast) I just get warped back to the start of the intro over and over. Is this again my stupid installation?

[Emral]

Also,

I don't want it to be spoiled. This is the same reason I don't download project demos, or watch episode playthroughs.

Checking out the 2.0 beta is really not comparable in any way with spoiling an episode through demo / LP. The only difference in terms of playing experience (apart from 2.0-exclusive characters which don't appear here) is the menu screen, some replaced character / switch blocks and some slightly tweaked sounds.

More importantly though ... I can't play this. After completing the intro scene (and getting warped into the pixelpast) I just get warped back to the start of the intro over and over. Is this again my stupid installation?

Hmmm.... sounds like it, considering the flag "has visited intro level" gets checked in the data class. I will check it out myself, but for troubleshooting your installation: Have you tried my advice from the other day where I asked if you could try installing SMBX somewhere else on your computer? If it's in a spot where administrator rights are used for anything at all I can see them causing trouble.

[Cedur]

Moved everything to Hard Disk and I can play now, but: No score display? What a bummer!

[Emral]

I find it fascinating how people can get upset over the most arbitrary and useless "features".
Funfact: Hypnosis Redo also "lacked" the score display. It serves no purpose other than cluttering up the HUD and spawning random effects.