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you can watch specific Videos to find secrets like my own or @as303298's Video in order to get your results in. This shouldn't be that hard, at least for me.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:What am I missing? How is everyone else able to find this episode's hidden crap, but I'm left clueless?
How is "The episode doesn't have any hints for its secrets" an opinion? The only star that was hinted at was the one in World 6 where the message box tells the player to kill all of the giant Boos, but that's it.Christian07 wrote:It's only your opinion.
Thanks for the offer, but my point is that the episode should provide enough information on its own that the player doesn't need to consult a walk-through just to be able to beat the dang game. I didn't have to for all of the other featured episodes, and I shouldn't have to for this one. The fact that this was suggested in the first place shows how poor the episode's design really is.bossedit8 wrote:you can watch specific Videos to find secrets like my own or @as303298's Video in order to get your results in. This shouldn't be that hard, at least for me.
I actually agree with what he has to say. I will say that this game has some of the best design ideas I have ever seen, but it has fatal flaws. For one, the boss "levels" are unique, but either time consuming or horribly broken. And the map & secret stars, whether you like to believe it or not, it pretty damn tedious. To go through 5 worlds (two of which were completely pointless) to find 4 mythical stars that you have no prior knowledge about....kinda ruins a game.Imaynotbehere4long wrote: I didn't have to for all of the other featured episodes, and I shouldn't have to for this one. The fact that this was suggested in the first place shows how poor the episode's design really is.
lol.The fact that this was suggested in the first place shows how poor the episode's design really is.
Here's the thing, though: I'm okay if the episode has secrets that it doesn't tell you about; my complaint is that the episode doesn't tell you how to get something that's required. Even if all it did was give some sort of hint as to its whereabouts, I would be content, but it gives absolutely no indication whatsoever. Heck, I figured that the stars were necessary to progress (because that was literally the only thing left), but I didn't even know that there was a fourth star until I saw the comments made by YTsupertyrusland23 and as303298. If the stars are required, there needs to be some hint or indication as to which levels have a star, but the episode tells us nothing (except for the one in World 6, but that's the thing: it's an exception).CaptainSyrup wrote:idt a episode must always show all stuff bc for one it would spoiler pretty much and two not even all video games do that.
Those first two sentences you quoted were connected, so like, why split them? This is not a dialogue so I don't see the point in responding to me sentence by sentence especially if the second sentence is just specifying on the first and you could easily have addressed both of them in the same manner.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Yeah, but there's a difference between unexpected behavior and flat out tricking the player, such as the fake SMW Bob-ombs (SMB2 Bob-omb sprite-swaps) and the two-part pattern Elite Koopas (if I kill the first NPC, the second shouldn't appear, or at least should give some kind of warning that it's not really dead), both of which were fatal.Magician wrote:You have an interesting view about how enemies' appearances should correlate with their behaviour and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this particular episode has provided almost constant evidence that enemies will behave unexpectedly that it seems like an intended design.
Maybe so, but the Bob-omb's explosion and the "dead" Elite Koopa's charge were instantaneous, meaning I had no time to react, thus invalidating your point.Magician wrote:You need to observe how objects on the screen are behaving before acting on any assumptions and when that fails, you need to use your reflexes and that's not inherently a bad thing, just not always great for a Mario game where depending on the character, you die in 2/3 hits. I've found this tolerable for the most part, though I'm on world 8 now and we'll see how that goes.
Here's the thing: the episode should be intuitive enough that it doesn't require a second full playthrough for the player to fully understand how to beat the episode.Magician wrote:I won't lie that some aspects of this game are perplexing to me but I intend to do two playthroughs to maintain objectivity over it. In one of the world 2 levels, I discovered that my return through a previous area was much easier if I had used the ice flower provided to me to clear the podobos. There are, occasionally, strategies like this that I suspect I've missed when going through the game on a first try, because of thinking too linearly or just not in the right way.
The parallax image in 2-1 seemed wrong to me, therefore unacceptable. I guess we can agree to disagree.Magician wrote:The parallax image in 2-1 seemed mirage-y to me, therefore acceptable.What are you talking about? You don't access Peach until World Si..........ohhhhhhh...this episode is worse than I thought.Magician wrote:EDIT: By the way, how do you assume Toad when the new ability that you unlocked is described, in part, as a "floatation device"?
Seriously, though, what am I missing? How is everyone else able to find this episode's hidden crap, but I'm left clueless? To my knowledge, there's nothing in-game or even on the first post to so much as hint as to where these secrets are...
The point is that there are different ways to look at it. I wasn't trying to present my opinion as superior in the first place. It's just that there are alternatives to your viewpoint that deem it acceptable as opposed to just objectively bad.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:The parallax image in 2-1 seemed wrong to me, therefore unacceptable. I guess we can agree to disagree.Magician wrote:The parallax image in 2-1 seemed mirage-y to me, therefore acceptable.
Because I had slightly different responses for each statement. Technically, your entire response is connected, but I split it up according to what I feel like responding to.Magician wrote:Those first two sentences you quoted were connected, so like, why split them?
Perhaps, but I'd rather respond to each statement individually than have too much of the response in a single quote. I feel that it helps keep my responses more streamlined.Magician wrote:This is not a dialogue so I don't see the point in responding to me sentence by sentence especially if the second sentence is just specifying on the first and you could easily have addressed both of them in the same manner.
Solution 2: get rid of the first phase entirely. If it doesn't work, don't use it.Magician wrote:there is an invisible switch reghrhre could have designed to prevent the second spawning of the Elite Koopa from happening. I think this could have overloaded the level, though, as as303298 already got an overflow error without having one of those for every time that enemy appeared.
For you, maybe, but not for me. Like I said earlier: at first, it was just sort of annoying, but it actually got to the point where the delay between AIs caused me to get hit. I'm going to see just how long the delay was for that specific aerial Elite Koopa that hit me...ONE FULL SECOND! That's quite a while in game-play speak. By the way, there is an event that attempts to hide the dashing layer if the first AI is killed, but it doesn't account for the fact that the original event (the one triggered after the 1 second delay) will still activate and show said dashing layer. I recommend making the "if dead" events send the dashing layers down at an insanely fast speed (like 99999999999), so that when it does appear, it's not in the player's way.Magician wrote:It's extremely rare to kill those guys before they despawn and become a new AI, though
Whatever happened to "maintain objectivity"?Magician wrote:and I happened to think they were really cool anyway so it was forgivable.
Stop, stop. Nothing, and I mean nothing, up to that point (or even since excepting the unclimbable SMB2 vines, the Chomp, and the flawed areal Elite Koopas) was as unintuitive as that deceptive trickery. Don't belive me? Here, I'll explain by going through literally every NPC sprite-swap (not recolors) up to that point:Magician wrote:And while I agree that there may not have been much point in changing the bob-omb's appearance to that extent, you wouldn't have required an instant reaction if you were careful. Considering the stuff I'd seen up to that point
I only brought up "specific situations." Sure, you have a point if the graphic is new to SMBX, but if it resembles something specific, and it's not apparent that it doesn't act that same way until it's too late (fake SMW Bob-omb, unclimbable SMB2 vines, invincible Chomp, etc.), then that is poor game design, and that's what I'm arguing against.Magician wrote:If some of these situations were unavoidable by default, and I'm sure there may be a few, it wouldn't change or "invalidate" my overall point, only the specificity of which situations to which the point should be applied.
Toad has hearts, too! And you're right, I did figure it out not long afterward, but it was still a bit confusing at first.Magician wrote:you see a character block that changed Luigi to Luigi with hearts, and doesn't look or immediately behave like Toad at all, and you become surprised that he's not Toad? You should have had plenty of time to figure it out before encountering danger.
M--my biggest complaint...and you agree with me? Thank you.Magician wrote:Personally I would have made it so that you don't need all of the stars to proceed, or even just none at all. The backtracking doesn't add anything to the episode by my current understanding, and I didn't bother looking for the stars myself, I just skipped through bossedit8's videos until I noticed he gained a star and then scrolled back to find where he got it. There was just no way I was gonna comb through all of those levels again.
And I wasn't trying to present you as trying to present your opinion as superior.Magician wrote:I wasn't trying to present my opinion as superior in the first place.
Whatever happened to "maintain objectivity"? Also, I doubt that mirages can cause the illusion of real objects moving at incorrect speeds, only the appearance of objects that aren't really there.Magician wrote:there are alternatives to your viewpoint that deem it acceptable as opposed to just objectively bad.
My entire response is connected for a reason, for one. For another, responding to a sentence and then replying to the second directly following it is just really silly and pointless. You could easily have responded to both sentences at the same time without butchering the context in the process. If you're responding to multiple sentences individually that, before they were split up, were connected to the exact same point, that's just inconcise. That's the opposite of streamlined.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Because I had slightly different responses for each statement. Technically, your entire response is connected, but I split it up according to what I feel like responding to.Magician wrote:Those first two sentences you quoted were connected, so like, why split them?Perhaps, but I'd rather respond to each statement individually than have too much of the response in a single quote. I feel that it helps keep my responses more streamlined.Magician wrote:This is not a dialogue so I don't see the point in responding to me sentence by sentence especially if the second sentence is just specifying on the first and you could easily have addressed both of them in the same manner.
Agreeable, but I didn't offer only one solution.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Solution 2: get rid of the first phase entirely. If it doesn't work, don't use it.Magician wrote:there is an invisible switch reghrhre could have designed to prevent the second spawning of the Elite Koopa from happening. I think this could have overloaded the level, though, as as303298 already got an overflow error without having one of those for every time that enemy appeared.
That's actually much simpler to the switch idea I was thinking of and it might work. Mine involved using the death event of the first movement pattern to spawn an invisible NPC, and have the second spawn invisible lava over it. This would have to be on screen but out of range of anything happening on screen. The death event of the invisible NPC would despawn the second spawn immediately.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:For you, maybe, but not for me. Like I said earlier: at first, it was just sort of annoying, but it actually got to the point where the delay between AIs caused me to get hit. I'm going to see just how long the delay was for that specific aerial Elite Koopa that hit me...ONE FULL SECOND! That's quite a while in game-play speak. By the way, there is an event that attempts to hide the dashing layer if the first AI is killed, but it doesn't account for the fact that the original event (the one triggered after the 1 second delay) will still activate and show said dashing layer. I recommend making the "if dead" events send the dashing layers down at an insanely fast speed (like 99999999999), so that when it does appear, it's not in the player's way.Magician wrote:It's extremely rare to kill those guys before they despawn and become a new AI, though
plz forgive me.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Whatever happened to "maintain objectivity"?Magician wrote:and I happened to think they were really cool anyway so it was forgivable.
He has a fuse and you can stand on his head, soImaynotbehere4long wrote:Stop, stop. Nothing, and I mean nothing, up to that point (or even since excepting the unclimbable SMB2 vines, the Chomp, and the flawed areal Elite Koopas) was as unintuitive as that deceptive trickery. Don't belive me? Here, I'll explain by going through literally every NPC sprite-swap (not recolors) up to that point:Magician wrote:And while I agree that there may not have been much point in changing the bob-omb's appearance to that extent, you wouldn't have required an instant reaction if you were careful. Considering the stuff I'd seen up to that point
Okay, that's my argument. Now I'd like to see yours.Spoiler: show
How is it unobjective to point out that alternative opinions don't make something objectively bad? How can something be objectively bad if there are valid alternative opinions?Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Whatever happened to "maintain objectivity"? Also, I doubt that mirages can cause the illusion of real objects moving at incorrect speeds, only the appearance of objects that aren't really there.Magician wrote:there are alternatives to your viewpoint that deem it acceptable as opposed to just objectively bad.
Magician wrote:Spoiler: show
True, but at the time, I felt your two statements were different enough to warrant different responses.Magician wrote:If you're responding to multiple sentences individually that, before they were split up, were connected to the exact same point, that's just inconcise. That's the opposite of streamlined.
Honestly, that's because I feel that the point you're (or whoever I'm responding to is) trying to make can be summed up in that one sentence fragment. There's the occasional exception, such as when you said "I happened to think they were really cool anyway so it was forgivable." and I felt that went against your goal to "maintain objectivity"; in that case, since I wasn't responding to the point you were trying to make (but rather your specific argument for your point), I singled it out before responding.Magician wrote:you're not even quoting full sentences at times
Heh, I meant that that was my second solution, in reference to my first:Magician wrote:Agreeable, but I didn't offer only one solution.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Solution 2: get rid of the first phase entirely. If it doesn't work, don't use it.Magician wrote:there is an invisible switch reghrhre could have designed to prevent the second spawning of the Elite Koopa from happening. I think this could have overloaded the level, though, as as303298 already got an overflow error without having one of those for every time that enemy appeared.
Of course, now that I know how the events are structured, I think my third solution would be the best one.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:A simple fix for this would be to have a background image or something showing the Koopa leaning back, as though it's charging it's speed or something, appear if the first phase is killed, but the second phase hasn't appeared yet.
Sorry; the way you worded it at first made me think you were saying "There are different ways to judge something other than objectively."Magician wrote:How is it unobjective to point out that alternative opinions don't make something objectively bad? How can something be objectively bad if there are valid alternative opinions?
I don't know about that, now. No Mario game (or any game, really, except maybe bootlegs) has done something like that to date, after all...Magician wrote:I'm well aware that refusing in all circumstances to apply logic to Mario can be creatively limiting in its own way. That doesn't mean that the way this background works can't be considered creative license, though.
Wow, I just realized I kept saying "SMW Bob-omb" instead. Also, the SMB2 Bob-omb doesn't have a fuse, either, so your argument doesn't really stand.FanofSMBX wrote:The SMB3 Bob-omb doesn't have a fuse. Since this one has a fuse, you can light it.
It may sounded rude but everyone has his own opinion at the episode some like it some not and more opinions are good eitherway.Imaynotbehere4long wrote: Sorry if I came off as a bit rude, it's just that when I review an episode, I want to know the opinion of the person who made it, not of the people who liked it and are trying to defend it.
No, sorry, it's not playing devil's advocate to have a different opinion. Your notions of what's intuitive aren't set in stone for everyone. You may judge this game as if it's an officially licensed Mario game or you can set aside biases and expectations and look at what you're seeing. It's a BOMB. Bombs are known to be volatile. Living, walking explosives would be dangerously unpredictable.Imaynotbehere4long wrote:Okay, I admit I was wrong about the fuse, but that's such a minor detail compared to the fact that the majority of the graphic represents the SMB3 Bob-omb that the lack of prior knowledge that it's really an SMB2 Bob-omb sprite-swap will be fatal for most players. Stop trying to play devil's advocate and admit that maybe the creator of the episode made a mistake for once.
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Sorry if I came off as a bit rude, it's just that when I review an episode, I want to know the opinion of the person who made it, not of the people who liked it and are trying to defend it.
