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TheLordKhon wrote:


mfw 7k redditors are trash

nice photoshop. you don't play heroes that arent ogre.

why do you all have such low mmr?
this is mine

Huh?
I bet u can't even activate ur bkb before dying with aegis like I can.

Jacky Mao wrote:Huh?
I bet u can't even activate ur bkb before dying with aegis like I can.

hows that shit not counter productive

Nien wrote:

Jacky Mao wrote:Huh?
I bet u can't even activate ur bkb before dying with aegis like I can.

hows that shit not counter productive

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u didnt have a dark seer yelling at u to push towers 2 minutes in
as a shadwo fiend

The entire reason he picked you shadow fiend was for your armor reduction ability so that we could push towers 2 minutes in before all of the enemy heroes got level 6. You were going to right click creeps as we were hitting the tower. Towers give gold. Farming problem solved.
There was zero chance we were going to be able to take that game late. The tower pushing didn't work out because you went a farming build and sat in mid for 15 minutes instead of helping us. Then you proceeded to complain that the tower pushing didn't work and continued farming against a line-up we weren't going to be able to fight in the late game anyway. Igno was upset that you didn't listen when it was clear to everyone else what the plan was.
I mean he nicely said, "Ragont, come help us push bot." (With the other 4 players of your team)
You responded, "I can't do anything. I'm a shadow fiend," and just stood in mid.

Granted, we could've picked better heroes for the strategy we were hoping to accomplish, but sometimes you just have to make due with what you've got, a mess of a draft.

FallingSnow wrote:The entire reason he picked you shadow fiend was for your armor reduction ability so that we could push towers 2 minutes in before all of the enemy heroes got level 6.

except no shadow fiend ever maxes or even puts a point into his armor reduction before level 9, shadow fiend gets his damage from necromastery, which means i need souls (creeps, hence why i was farming all the fucking time) to actually do shit

FallingSnow wrote:There was zero chance we were going to be able to take that game late.

Wow, it's almost like we had a Shadow Fiend, Silencer and Dark Seer.
Granted, Silencer didn't really know what he was doing and our Dark Seer was as good as non-existant.

FallingSnow wrote:The tower pushing didn't work out because you went a farming build and sat in mid for 15 minutes instead of helping us. Then you proceeded to complain that the tower pushing didn't work and continued farming against a line-up we weren't going to be able to fight in the late game anyway. Igno was upset that you didn't listen when it was clear to everyone else what the plan was.
I mean he nicely said, "Ragont, come help us push bot." (With the other 4 players of your team)
You responded, "I can't do anything. I'm a shadow fiend," and just stood in mid.

You don't seem to understand that even if we five manned, they would all have come and blown us up with Black Hole + Death Ward + Chrono. I at least held Witch Doctor and Dazzle in lane for most of the early game. Not to mention you were asking me to push at a point where I didn't even have Raze maxed.


If you wanted someone who would leave his lane early, maybe you should have picked a fucking Storm Spirit :)

i don't think sf coming to fights at the 15 minute mark would of done anything. at that point, there was no mek on your team. dark seer opted for blink which is fine, but the safelane silencer (who had freefarm against a void) managed to farm a mek 18 minutes in or something. sf needs a bkb to fight or he's just going to die. i don't think the sange was an optimal item, given the situation, but i still think he managed to farm a reasonably timed bkb. the supports on the radiant did not manage their time well in the early game. void wasn't zoned out of exp range, rotations to mid didn't help protect SF from ganks, enigma wasn't shut down in the jungle and there wasn't stacks in the jungle for SF or Dark Seer to farm. prior to level 6 on the shaman, the supports had little impact. by the time shaman was able to take towers with wards, there was already an insanely high exp and gold deficit on your team. your team did little to stop spectre from farming. with enigma jungling, and wd camping mid pretty much constantly spectre was alone in the lane. it wasn't until like 12-13 minutes in that a gank was attempted and it ended with spectre getting a double kill and finishing a relic.
and well, if SF was picked for his aura helping push
which 1) isn't skilled until maxing raze and necromastery
and 2) doesn't work on buildings either way.
than heroes were drafted with little regards to what they actually accomplish. what sf brings to your llneup is a strong midgame presence and the ability to raze creep waves. he shouldn't define a pushing lineup, at most the hero should supplement one. jakiro, veno, dk, pugna are all heroes that define a pushing line up, and they were all ignored during the draft.

FallingSnow wrote:The entire reason he picked you shadow fiend was for your armor reduction ability so that we could push towers 2 minutes in before all of the enemy heroes got level 6.

why would you pick two heroes with a meager damage aura and negative armor that only affected creeps for early push

why did you draft that lineup if you were going for early push

why didn't you pick heroes better for pushing that aren't fucking shadow fiend and silencer

I didn't draft Shadow Fiend for the aura, I drafted him to raze waves and then hit the tower for many damage.

I'm not pretending that draft wasn't garbage anyways, I had people yelling at me and I was tired and I really dropped the ball on that draft. It just didn't help that the hero wasn't being used the way I was very clear I picked him to be used. It didn't matter anyways, since Ragont's not wrong in that I was good as nonexistant.

Ignoritus wrote:I didn't draft Shadow Fiend for the aura, I drafted him to raze waves and then hit the tower for many damage.

I'm not pretending that draft wasn't garbage anyways, I had people yelling at me and I was tired and I really dropped the ball on that draft. It just didn't help that the hero wasn't being used the way I was very clear I picked him to be used. It didn't matter anyways, since Ragont's not wrong in that I was good as nonexistant.

so you drafted sf so he can raze the creeps hit the tower 3 times and die?

it dosen't matter what you drafted
all you had to do is to call gg

the purple team is unbeatable

Ignoritus wrote:I didn't draft Shadow Fiend for the aura, I drafted him to raze waves and then hit the tower for many damage.

I'm not pretending that draft wasn't garbage anyways, I had people yelling at me and I was tired and I really dropped the ball on that draft. It just didn't help that the hero wasn't being used the way I was very clear I picked him to be used. It didn't matter anyways, since Ragont's not wrong in that I was good as nonexistant.

i mean our first draft was literally wraith king, riki, bloodseeker, pudge, huskar

and our second draft was "pick purpl herose"

Nien wrote:

Ignoritus wrote:I didn't draft Shadow Fiend for the aura, I drafted him to raze waves and then hit the tower for many damage.

I'm not pretending that draft wasn't garbage anyways, I had people yelling at me and I was tired and I really dropped the ball on that draft. It just didn't help that the hero wasn't being used the way I was very clear I picked him to be used. It didn't matter anyways, since Ragont's not wrong in that I was good as nonexistant.

i mean our first draft was literally wraith king, riki, bloodseeker, pudge, huskar

and our second draft was "pick purpl herose"

I'm aware, but I was drafting seriously and I fucked that one up.

FallingSnow wrote:The entire reason he picked you shadow fiend was for your armor reduction ability so that we could push towers 2 minutes in before all of the enemy heroes got level 6. You were going to right click creeps as we were hitting the tower. Towers give gold. Farming problem solved.
There was zero chance we were going to be able to take that game late. The tower pushing didn't work out because you went a farming build and sat in mid for 15 minutes instead of helping us. Then you proceeded to complain that the tower pushing didn't work and continued farming against a line-up we weren't going to be able to fight in the late game anyway. Igno was upset that you didn't listen when it was clear to everyone else what the plan was.
I mean he nicely said, "Ragont, come help us push bot." (With the other 4 players of your team)
You responded, "I can't do anything. I'm a shadow fiend," and just stood in mid.

Granted, we could've picked better heroes for the strategy we were hoping to accomplish, but sometimes you just have to make due with what you've got, a mess of a draft.

you know, just because a hero can kill creeps doesn't mean he can take a tower. If the enemy team contests a push from shadow fiend 3 minutes in, then sf is pretty useless, especially with levels in his aura and not his other abilities. If the plan was to use shadowraze to push, you still run into the same problem since the shadow fiend has no way to damage the tower. The rest of the team can't really touch the tower either, if it's contested. The only time this pushing strat works is if the enemy doesn't contest a single objective, and even then it's going to be a pretty slow siege until shaman has 6.
What you needed was heroes that chip away at towers, not at creeps. Both pugna and jakiro would have improved the team comp tenfold, and neither hero was banned so you could have picked either one.
I'm pretty sure ragont realized that it was actually impossible to siege a contested tower with that team comp. I would have done what he did.

The entire reason he picked you shadow fiend was for your armor reduction ability so that we could push towers 2 minutes in before all of the enemy heroes got level 6. You were going to right click creeps as we were hitting the tower. Towers give gold. Farming problem solved.

Shadow's aura literally only works on creeps and heroes, and your "farming problem" solved thing doesn't make much sense, as pushing as 5 means that the farm is going to get contested by both the enemy team and the allied team (sorry but your silencer wasn't the best player), not to mention your team would have been really behind in exp if you started to push as 5 right off the bat, unless you took rosh, which could have maybe worked with your lineup considering you had a venge. But you didn't.

Not to mention, you drafted a shaman lane support, meaning it really doesn't make sense on how you planned to get shaman to get his pushing ability before the entire enemy team got level 6.

There was zero chance we were going to be able to take that game late. The tower pushing didn't work out because you went a farming build and sat in mid for 15 minutes instead of helping us.

If you mean the skill build, a fucking shadow fiend will never level his aura or his ult until level 9/10/11, if you meant an item build, i really don't think the sange and the bkb count as farming items. The shadow fiend was literally the most useful member of your team.

And the tower pushing didn't work out not because of your shadow fiend, it was because /you drafted a fucking shaman, a hero that needs lots of levels to efficiently push, and a silencer, a hero that has negative pushing power/

Then you proceeded to complain that the tower pushing didn't work and continued farming against a line-up we weren't going to be able to fight in the late game anyway. Igno was upset that you didn't listen when it was clear to everyone else what the plan was.

i mean a shadow fiend without farm might as well serve to tactically feed the enemy team a lot of net-worth so you could kill the fed hero and get back into the game.

I mean he nicely said, "Ragont, come help us push bot." (With the other 4 players of your team)
You responded, "I can't do anything. I'm a shadow fiend," and just stood in mid.

I mean it's the truth, i camped ragont since like the beginning of the game, and you guys decided to help him 8 minutes in, when it was too late since he was already shut away from 8 minutes of farm.

Surprisingly he had a pretty good ammount of farm considering him/his team was getting downright shit on

TL;DR Your lineup was extremely contradictory to your objective, you drafted 4 level heavy heroes for early pushing, and half those heroes brought almost nothing to the table when it came to pushing.

And don't go and tell me "well igno drafted so idk its his fault", because there's 4 people in the same team who can disagree with the picks and find something better to draft.

I don't think anyone said at any point that the draft wasn't complete and total garbage.

Ignoritus wrote:I don't think anyone said at any point that the draft wasn't complete and total garbage.

neither one of us were replying to you, we were replying to snow's reasoning behind the draft. He said that you have to "make due with what you got", but I don't think even that is a good idea considering how it would have put sf in a really bad position. I think it would have been a better idea to ditch the whole tower pushing strategy, which ragont realized, yet was still criticized for.
and btw thank you enemy team for not ganking me until 13 mins, EZiest lane of my life