Reputation Mod

[XerX]

The mod doesnt help a person to become better, only he/she as well as others around help that person to become better. The mod just puts a number that the community can change with the click of a button. A profile commenting mod could have been put into place instead of a rep system, because from what I have seen, a lot of users see their 'rep' as 'popularity/cool-ness' in the community.

[silent_]

The mod doesnt help a person to become better

That's false and I don't know how to get people to realize that statements like these are false. People like Christian used to be downright dicks and now they changed into a better person after getting downreps which they listened to and now he's a nice person who makes lots of constructive posts. In fact, I could go on and on with people who have changed after the reputation system came along. And I, myself, learned from the system a bit.

The mod just puts a number that the community can change with the click of a button.

Not really. You have to type a reason as to why you're increasing/decreasing their reputation and if you don't give a reason justified or constructive enough you'll receive a board warning, so it's not really one of those things where you can change a number within the click of a button.

a lot of users see their 'rep' as 'popularity/cool-ness' in the community.

Please provide me proof that this is true because I haven't seen one person brag about their reputation count.

[Kyo]

Tbh downreps for breaking a rule are OK as long as the person knows better (downrepping a new user for something they don't know isn't cool)

No, downreps aren't the correct penalty for a rule-break. Verbal and real warnings is what you get for breaking rules, and that's what reports are for. Unfortunately, the reputation mod almost fully replaces the report function because you are not the only user to think like that.

What you're not understanding is that the reputation mod helps users become better people, even if it doesn't look like it. You see, users like Christian started out with about 12 downreps, and now he has 5. Why? Because he listened to the mod and made an effort to become a better person. Same with SMBXxer. He had, like, what, 13 downreps? And now he has about 2. So the system does have a purpose; to help users become better people, and yes, some people ignore it, some people make a big deal out of it, and some people never even mention it, and it is sometimes prone to drama, but it's still there for a reason. In addition, it's been here this long, I doubt it's going to get removed now.

There are other ways to help someone to become a better user. While the reputation mod might have a slightly bigger influence, it causes more controversy than it improves this community. It's not going to get removed, sadly. But the staff team of this forum is quite honestly not good.

The mod doesnt help a person to become better, only he/she as well as others around help that person to become better. The mod just puts a number that the community can change with the click of a button. A profile commenting mod could have been put into place instead of a rep system, because from what I have seen, a lot of users see their 'rep' as 'popularity/cool-ness' in the community.

Exactly. And because the reputation mod turned this community to a popularity/coolness contest, the amount of drama and controversy is heavily increased, and that again is why we lost a lot of important members. reghrhre is the perfect instance.

This community already is a dramafest, and the reputation mod merely emphasizes that.

[silent_]

And because the reputation mod turned this community to a popularity/coolness contest

No it hasn't. Provide me an instance, please.

it causes more controversy than it improves this community.

Maybe I could agree with that. But it still doesn't mean the reputation mod doesn't have a good purpose to exist.

But the staff team of this forum is quite honestly not good.

Sorry but this is totally irrelevant to what we're discussing right now.

[XerX]

The mod doesnt help a person to become better

That's false and I don't know how to get people to realize that statements like these are false. People like Christian used to be downright dicks and now they changed into a better person after getting downreps which they listened to and now he's a nice person who makes lots of constructive posts. In fact, I could go on and on with people who have changed after the reputation system came along. And I, myself, learned from the system a bit.

The mod just puts a number that the community can change with the click of a button.

Not really. You have to type a reason as to why you're increasing/decreasing their reputation and if you don't give a reason justified or constructive enough you'll receive a board warning, so it's not really one of those things where you can change a number within the click of a button.

a lot of users see their 'rep' as 'popularity/cool-ness' in the community.

Please provide me proof that this is true because I haven't seen one person brag about their reputation count.

A person themselves can choose to be a dick or not. Positive or Negative rep, I can choose myself to be a dick about everything, or I can choose to be friendly to others, which I usually am. Christian may have become a better person, but that doesn't mean it was all from the rep system, maybe it wasn't at all. He could have maybe seen himself he was being a dick and changed his ways.

Just because you have to type a reason to increase/decrease, doesn't mean they are contructive or justified. I have seen some of the comments and they are really just the stupidest reasons to uprep/downrep someone. Like I said, it's just a god damn number.

I would but I really don't feel like searching through 150000+ posts to find some examples on the forum. A lot of bragging has been on the IRC though, which you don't even visit so.

[Kyo]

And because the reputation mod turned this community to a popularity/coolness contest

No it hasn't. Provide me an instance, please.

An instance? I can give you several. This thread, there you go. The opposite of bragging, namely being pissed because you are not in that position to brag does also count to that. And as you can see, there are a shitload of people annoyed by loss of reputation.

it causes more controversy than it improves this community.

Maybe I could agree with that. But it still doesn't mean the reputation mod doesn't have a good purpose to exist.

What's one good purpose against several bad side effects?

But the staff team of this forum is quite honestly not good.

Sorry but this is totally irrelevant to what we're discussing right now.

It was relevant to the point I made. Also, why are you apologizing?

[Mable]

why we lost a lot of important members. reghrhre is the perfect instance.

This community already is a dramafest, and the reputation mod merely emphasizes that.

1. reghrhre wasn't important anymore when he started to go into #smbx and calling everyone a idiot and throwing words around and acting like a baby.

2. If you really think so then why are you still here?

But the staff team of this forum is quite honestly not good.

I would like to see you doing better modding a forum with shitload of mostly 10-16 year olds when everyone starts making the same mistake over and over again.

TBH the report button might do his job but do you really think the reported person changes if he gets warned? Do you really think the staffs wants to babysit?
It's time to grow up and decide whats okay and whats not by yourself and when you do something wrong and someone downreps you for it you can clearly see what you can change to show this person that you can change.

We already had a lot of people who didn't change their behavior even after getting warned million of times there are enough examples to mention but i won't cause this would cause another shitstorm.

#Freespech for everyone

[Fuyu]

There's a lot of shit going on here, and as always I come here to save the day, or mostly make everyone shut the hell up with my reasoning. =P

First off, this system does not help anybody, that's something to clear up. The system just shows what you did wrong, or mostly what you did to anger somebody, or just what you did that major or just some people do not appreciate. If you become better or not is up to you.

Second of all, I don't see that much drama on the forums, sorry if I don't see that much, perhaps you could illustrate me with some instances. They might be on the IRC, I don't know that much because I don't go that often to the IRC, and when I do so nothing happens at all. If you're going to bring this thread as an example, it's just a matter of time the userbase learns that coming here to cry off their problems won't solve them.

Third of all, it's easy to criticize the staff, but it's not like they are sitting on their comfortable couches watching the "shitstorm" that's happening here. And I actually meant to quote that word because I honestly do not see any. There might be some occasional moments where the staff just do have a hard time, and that moment is when we need to realize that the least thing that we should do is make their day even worse saying the kind of stuff said here. I'm not implying that some of you guys just like to shit everything up, but you're basically giving the staff no breath-taking time.

Something that I have seen lately is that you people think that downreps referring to rule-breaking are unfair. But that's not true. Said downreps are the input of the userbase, and as an input, it has its right to be there. The report button in the other hand is to notify the staff that a rule has been broken somewhere. The staff just won't focus on downreps to find posts that break the rules, they do search for reports though.

I'm going to be fully honest here, I do want to see this forum become a lot more prosper, where people can actually see this system as not an anchor or extra weight but an actual illustrative show that tells you what the rest of the people here think. You might not like it, you might even think it's unfair, but it is indeed what they think, and you can't change that. You may ask the staff to remove that "unfair" downrep of yours, but that doesn't mean the staff shall agree with said downrep being "unfair" (double quoting if you haven't noticed). Give this system a chance to prove itself useful instead of continuously saying it's just not worth it.

[Kyo]

1. reghrhre wasn't important anymore when he started to go into #smbx and calling everyone a idiot and throwing words around and acting like a baby.

You look like a huge asshole when saying something like that, no offense. And let's face it, you wouldn't admit it even if this was a downrep comment.

2. If you really think so then why are you still here?

Are you honestly telling me to leave? The fuck is wrong with you?

I would like to see you doing better modding a forum with shitload of mostly 10-16 year olds when everyone starts making the same mistake over and over again.

Thanks for your support. I don't want to become a mod though. And I wouldn't become one anyway because my grammar isn't perfect, because grammar is the perfect justification for not promoting someone, said Joey. Natsu would have been a mod otherwise. The only good moderators are GhostHawk and DarkMatt, and Valtteri does an alright job as well.

TBH the report button might do his job but do you really think the reported person changes if he gets warned? Do you really think the staffs wants to babysit?
It's time to grow up and decide whats okay and whats not by yourself and when you do something wrong and someone downreps you for it you can clearly see what you can change to show this person that you can change.

We already had a lot of people who didn't change their behavior even after getting warned million of times there are enough examples to mention but i won't cause this would cause another shitstorm.

#Freespech for everyone

A warning has an unarguably stronger effect than a downrep. If someone doesn't change after a bunch of warnings, he or she certainly wouldn't change after a bunch of downreps. Also, I am well aware of the pros that the reputation mod offers.

[lighthouse64]

You notice how people get like 1 warning. It's normally because they totally messed up.

[FanofSMBX]

NATSU HAS BAD GRAMMAR! Hahaha! Though he uses words awkwardly sometimes, he makes longer posts than some people including me (Though Darkmatt beats him). I know it's a cliche for me to disagree with Joey but that is a bit of a non-problem

[Astronaut]

Downrepped by Eric for nothing. "silly be offended of a drawing" What is this. Why should I be offended of a 1 drawing?

[Superiorstar]

Do we seriously need to downrep the kid just to keep him on this forum? pity..

[Kyo]

#Eric4president

But no really, I'm starting to think COPPA users should really have limited permissions, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to mock him or anything.

[zioy]

#Eric4president

But no really, I'm starting to think COPPA users should really have limited permissions, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to mock him or anything.

The COPPA users group is a bit messed up right now because some users above the age of 12 are in it.

[Kyo]

You get out of that group once you are 14.

[zioy]

You get out of that group once you are 14.

Do you? OK then.
It doesn't matter in my case though since my age is unlisted

[Mable]

Do we seriously need to downrep the kid just to keep him on this forum? pity..

Kids shouldn't be allowed on the internet if they don't understand anything and only do stupid things.
Also Mynameiseric isn't one issue anymore since he has obviously the best english here and xensors swear words. Annoys a lot of people keeps advertising his forum, Videos and stuff and yet hes still here soo hmm.

[aero]

#Eric4president

But no really, I'm starting to think COPPA users should really have limited permissions, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to mock him or anything.

COPPA aren't supposed to be able to post. I don't know why they can though.

[XerX]

#Eric4president

But no really, I'm starting to think COPPA users should really have limited permissions, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to mock him or anything.

COPPA aren't supposed to be able to post. I don't know why they can though.

Joey set it up so COPPA users have to get parents permission to post on the forums.