M33: Christmas is a Few Months Early... Mafia Wins

[Doesntpostverymuch]

i thought we established that danny wasn't the caroler.

[Cedur]

Where are you getting that from?

If he's a normal townsperson, why would he claim that then? Either he was working with Mechdragon (but if he fakeclaimed, he wasn't counterclaimed for some reason), or Mechdragon somehow gained his trust and Danny is the caroler, and he's also trusting Ness-Wednesday while he should just figure out that the Crystal Ball is not lying, but that just puts more evidence on Ness-Wednesday.

Guys, vote Ness-Wednesday please, or at least remove your votes from Waddle Derp.

[Ness-Wednesday]

Why I have no proof of being the Actress what so ever.
Additionally, me and Syndrilevosse know who the real penguin is, and it certainly isn't Waddle Derp.
This is possible, Waddle Derp is actually the actress!

[Danny]

Turn of events, got more information. Thought about it for a moment. Oh, also, by the way, I got your PM Ness-Wednesday, and it's not checking out.

Did anybody visit me last night?

Probably, not or maybe so...

If you're going to claim a special role to me, and I ask you to do something, you better give me a straight answer, especially if you're already suspicious enough. This is just the icing on the cake. I think I've got our false claim.

So, changing my vote to Ness-Wednesday for today, and I suggest you guys do the same. Don't try to switch it around on Waddle Derp, because at this rate, he's confirmed blue.

After this game, I'm really going to have to go over a lot of clarifications with Pseudo.

[Ness-Wednesday]

The literal real penguin just got in contact with Syndrilevosse, he said a secret he never said and has kept it away from public in years/ he is sure to know who are the last two mafias (Actress and Bomb).

[Danny]

The literal real penguin just got in contact with Syndrilevosse, he said a secret he never said and has kept it away from public in years/ he is sure to know who are the last two mafias (Actress and Bomb).

If you're expecting to get away with this, I'm not going to let it happen.

Probably, not or maybe so...

If you expect to live, you better tell me the truth, instead of leaving behind vague comments.

Alright I have a secret I'll regret sharing, my biggest fears are logos (In english, I pretty much know some of the remaining users, Waddle Derp is truly the Actress, however it is possible that either Doesntpostverymuch or Supershroom are the last mafia, so it'd be better to watch out for those tomorrow, or tonight to set up a lynch, especially if Waddle Derp gets lynched insta).

You're not making any sense whatsoever. If you really want to convince me that you are the Penguin, you should give me some actual answers. Here's a question for you. If you really were the Penguin, how come you didn't use your ability on me when I had asked you to? If you really were the Penguin, you aren't doing a good job at it.

[Waddle]

Ness-Wednesday, I'm still the penguin and I believe Ness is either the actress or a townie playing some weird mind games.

[Danny]

If you really are the Penguin though, I still want to know why you never contacted me in the first place when I was trying to form a blue alliance.

[Zeldamaster12]

Okay, Ness-Wednesday, I'm almost certain you're not the Penguin. Danny is a confirmed blue. If he was trying to get you to cooperate with him, then if you were the real Penguin, you would've cooperated and used your power when he asked you to. Additionally, when Danny asked you the results from who you visited, you couldn't give a straightforward answer, which makes me believe that you're not the Penguin.

Goodbye Ness-Wednesday.

[Waddle]

Syndrilevosse I'm gonna be honest with you and dat that I didn't trust you at all so I decided to just stay quiet for a bit and see what would happen.

[Danny]

Syndrilevosse I'm gonna be honest with you and dat that I didn't trust you at all so I decided to just stay quiet for a bit and see what would happen.

Understandable, I guess.

[Julia Pseudo]

Just to clarify, the Crystal Ball will also disguise the Actress' identity (since it identifies cardflip color). There was some confusion about this so I'll keep lynch voting open in case this changes anyone's thinking. I am neither confirming nor denying any player's identity as the Actress.

[Ness-Wednesday]

The literal real penguin just got in contact with Syndrilevosse, he said a secret he never said and has kept it away from public in years/ he is sure to know who are the last two mafias (Actress and Bomb).

If you're expecting to get away with this, I'm not going to let it happen.

If you expect to live, you better tell me the truth, instead of leaving behind vague comments.

Alright I have a secret I'll regret sharing, my biggest fears are logos (In english, I pretty much know some of the remaining users, Waddle Derp is truly the Actress, however it is possible that either Doesntpostverymuch or Supershroom are the last mafia, so it'd be better to watch out for those tomorrow, or tonight to set up a lynch, especially if Waddle Derp gets lynched insta).

You're not making any sense whatsoever. If you really want to convince me that you are the Penguin, you should give me some actual answers. Here's a question for you. If you really were the Penguin, how come you didn't use your ability on me when I had asked you to? If you really were the Penguin, you aren't doing a good job at it.

I don't even know how to play fucking mafia, why am I getting hit for this business?
You know fine, trust Waddle Derp if you want, if I can't do anything right go ahead and lynch me I'm not going to bother with suicidal shit.
In fact, I already know Supershroom stating that I'm lying could just be for Waddle Derp to be looked at as the penguin, so no one could trust me as it's more of my weakness not knowing how to play mafia.
In fact, tell me the first time I ever lied to this community in ANYTHING?
Waddle Derp just claimed penguin out of nowhere, besides he could've done it to either the penguin or the caroler, and there would've been a 50/50 for this to happen.
In fact, this is a more troll like kind of what happened in M30, he knew I was going to say "I doubt Waddle Derp is the penguin" and he's actling the a penguin beacuse he the actress.
Besides, Supershroom's comment and lynch on me pretty much sums up for me that he/she's is also one of the last two mafias remaining.
And thus, I have more evidence than Waddle Derp, and yet you believe him just because I suck at mafia, and he claims goddam penguin out of nowhere last night!
What would it even be better for, you'll all going to regret it when I get an insta.

[Ness-Wednesday]

Also read Pseudo-dino's post, the possibility would be that him and MECHDRAGON777 were mafia but the crystal ball disguised Waddle Derp's color to blue so everyone would think he's the penguin.

[Ness-Wednesday]

Also, to go along with the whole never lied to this community thing, I would always tell what I see.
Where is the real proof of Waddle Derp's claim as penguin?

[Zeldamaster12]

Sorry, but the whole "I never lie to ANYONE" excuse in Mafia is not a valid one. This is Mafia, a game of deducing and deception.

[Ness-Wednesday]

So now that I said that one thing the other sentences are going to be irrelevant to the game, are you fucking serious?!
Even if I didn't know how to play, there are still a few things missing from Waddle Derp and possibly Supershroom that are mafia related.
Yet, I'm already trying to find all the facts I could find in this game, and I'm considered to be mafia just because I don't know what in the world I'm doing and yet the whole thing is the Crystal ball is mostly wrong about Waddle Derp's color.
Additionaly, if he didn't receive any pm from Waddle Derp, why would you guys think he's the real penguin when yet I was the one to say random shit about lynching, IT'S SO FUCKING OBVIOUS PEOPLE WHY ARE YOU ALL MISSING IT?!
If Waddle Derp, was to even say one thing about him Pming the caroler the claims can be likely false, and also if you saw the first time I was lynched which was done by SuperShroom, you should know they are both the last two mafias and being on Waddle Derp's side is making the chances of the good side winning go straight downhill, you'll all regret for my insta!

[Doesntpostverymuch]

So now that I said that one thing the other sentences are going to be irrelevant to the game, are you fucking serious?!
Even if I didn't know how to play, there are still a few things missing from Waddle Derp and possibly Supershroom that are mafia related.
Yet, I'm already trying to find all the facts I could find in this game, and I'm considered to be mafia just because I don't know what in the world I'm doing and yet the whole thing is the Crystal ball is mostly wrong about Waddle Derp's color.
Additionaly, if he didn't receive any pm from Waddle Derp, why would you guys think he's the real penguin when yet I was the one to say random shit about lynching, IT'S SO FUCKING OBVIOUS PEOPLE WHY ARE YOU ALL MISSING IT?!
If Waddle Derp, was to even say one thing about him Pming the caroler the claims can be likely false, and also if you saw the first time I was lynched which was done by SuperShroom, you should know they are both the last two mafias and being on Waddle Derp's side is making the chances of the good side winning go straight downhill, you'll all regret for my insta!

Don't worry, even though you said i could be mafia, i still believe you.

[Danny]

Just to clarify, the Crystal Ball will also disguise the Actress' identity (since it identifies cardflip color). There was some confusion about this so I'll keep lynch voting open in case this changes anyone's thinking. I am neither confirming nor denying any player's identity as the Actress.

The only major problem I have with this is that we had no way of knowing this until rules clarification, especially when, right on the main thread, it tells you this:

-Actress - Visits a player to learn their color. When they die, they cardflip whoever they last visited.

When they die, not when they're revealed with the Crystal Ball. Take this up with TNT, but I believe his intentions were to have the Crystal Ball act as the way to actually reveal the Mafia, since there is no formal inspection system, we have absolutely no way to figure out who is Mafia and who isn't, except for blind perception.

A thing I still want to complain about is that the Naughty/Nice system is extremely obscure and didn't add up to anything. The information Sanct gathered out of seeing if Waddle Derp was naughty, nice, or neither was really meaningless, since the only thing I got out of it was "Waddle Derp is red". What does red mean? This isn't explained to us at all, and these obscure rules having to be clarified every phase is really frustrating.

I don't even know how to play fucking mafia, why am I getting hit for this business?

Why did you walk into a game with no knowledge on how to play Mafia?

And thus, I have more evidence than Waddle Derp, and yet you believe him just because I suck at mafia, and he claims goddam penguin out of nowhere last night!

The reason why I'm finding his claim to be more believable is because you never gave me a straight answer. You dodged every single one of my questions I asked and replied with only vague comments that I had no way of knowing what they meant. Not only are you confusing me, but you're also making yourself suspicious as all hell. This has nothing to do with your ability to play Mafia, this has to do with your obscure and vague replies. If you really are the Penguin, you did an awful job at proving yourself to me. You have no evidence, and you haven't even shared any of this evidence. My vote stays with you.

[Zeldamaster12]

Ness-Wednesday, cool it with the excessive cursing and caps rage. It's just a game, no need to get so worked up.