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Zeldamaster12 wrote:Use your head, MosaicMario. There's also the possibility that I just haven't been targeted. You using such baseless accusations is making me question if you are with us or against us.

I never was overlooking that possibility, but i'm basically saying that it's the same mentally of why Spinda always dies on night 1 or 2, because
he's a skilled player. True, maybe the mafia and third party just haven't thought to target you. But it's just odd that they wouldn't, since, as i've been saying,
you know what your doing when you play mafia.

Mivixion wrote:I never said i believed his townie claim lmao i'm just wondering why you're so persistent about zm being bad

It's because i noticed that he, like Spinda, seems to always die early on, but for some reason didn't, i'm not saying the fact that he wasn't targeted on night 1
is suspicious.

Well, he also claimed to knowing the third-party was role blocked a few nights ago, how else would he know that? Please explain that. Zeldamaster12 being a skilled mafia player is not the only reason for people to suspect him. (As in a skilled player not being targeted.) I am saying that a mafia member claimed to be mafia and to claim he is third-party. The fact that he did it in the same post is reason enough for me to believe him. Zeldamaster12 could also be mafia, or specifically the Moon Acolyte. (or sun Acolyte if Nanaya Jacob is telling the truth about his role, bit I believe Nanaya Jacob to be the Sun Acolyte, so yeah) The odds Of Zeldamaster12 being the Eclipse Enchanter or Noon Acolyte seems higher then anything. I think it is the biggest lead we have. Also, not sure if that suspension list is a reason to suspect you, even though you never put your self, Yoshi21, or me on it. I believe there is more evedince that point to your role being third-party over you being town.

MosaicMario wrote:

Zeldamaster12 wrote:Use your head, MosaicMario. There's also the possibility that I just haven't been targeted. You using such baseless accusations is making me question if you are with us or against us.

I never was overlooking that possibility, but i'm basically saying that it's the same mentally of why Spinda always dies on night 1 or 2, because
he's a skilled player. True, maybe the mafia and third party just haven't thought to target you. But it's just odd that they wouldn't, since, as i've been saying,
you know what your doing when you play mafia.

Mivixion wrote:I never said i believed his townie claim lmao i'm just wondering why you're so persistent about zm being bad

It's because i noticed that he, like Spinda, seems to always die early on, but for some reason didn't, i'm not saying the fact that he wasn't targeted on night 1
is suspicious.

But I don't always die early? Go through the past games, a lot of them I'm certainly alive through even late in the game. I have died early quite a few times recently, but it's not a trend or anything.

Again: Just because I am alive rather late in the game doesn't mean I'm the enemy. This is not good evidence to go by, and going by your logic, if me or Spinda live to the later point of the game, we should automatically be considered suspicious. That's simply absurd.

Also, didn't Mechdragon already bring up this "suspicion" against me before? Something tells me you two could be working together.

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Well, he also claimed to knowing the third-party was role blocked a few nights ago, how else would he know that? Please explain that. Zeldamaster12 being a skilled mafia player is not the only reason for people to suspect him.

I never said the TP was roleblocked, Shroom was thinking of ways that one of the parties didn't kill, and I simply stated that there's a chance the TP was roleblocked. You people really love to put words in my mouth, don't you?

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Also, not sure if that suspension list is a reason to suspect you, even though you never put your self, Yoshi21, or me on it. I believe there is more evedince that point to your role being third-party over you being town.

Golly, sorry I forgot a couple names and didn't put my own name on it. I'll try to appeal to your standards next time.

Zeldamaster12 wrote:

MosaicMario wrote:

Zeldamaster12 wrote:Use your head, MosaicMario. There's also the possibility that I just haven't been targeted. You using such baseless accusations is making me question if you are with us or against us.

I never was overlooking that possibility, but i'm basically saying that it's the same mentally of why Spinda always dies on night 1 or 2, because
he's a skilled player. True, maybe the mafia and third party just haven't thought to target you. But it's just odd that they wouldn't, since, as i've been saying,
you know what your doing when you play mafia.

Mivixion wrote:I never said i believed his townie claim lmao i'm just wondering why you're so persistent about zm being bad

It's because i noticed that he, like Spinda, seems to always die early on, but for some reason didn't, i'm not saying the fact that he wasn't targeted on night 1
is suspicious.

But I don't always die early? Go through the past games, a lot of them I'm certainly alive through even late in the game. I have died early quite a few times recently, but it's not a trend or anything.

Again: Just because I am alive rather late in the game doesn't mean I'm the enemy. This is not good evidence to go by, and going by your logic, if me or Spinda live to the later point of the game, we should automatically be considered suspicious. That's simply absurd.

Also, didn't Mechdragon already bring up this "suspicion" against me before? Something tells me you two could be working together.

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Well, he also claimed to knowing the third-party was role blocked a few nights ago, how else would he know that? Please explain that. Zeldamaster12 being a skilled mafia player is not the only reason for people to suspect him.

I never said the TP was roleblocked, Shroom was thinking of ways that one of the parties didn't kill, and I simply stated that there's a chance the TP was roleblocked. You people really love to put words in my mouth, don't you?

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:Also, not sure if that suspension list is a reason to suspect you, even though you never put your self, Yoshi21, or me on it. I believe there is more evedince that point to your role being third-party over you being town.

Golly, sorry I forgot a couple names and didn't put my own name on it. I'll try to appeal to your standards next time.

Well, I guess I must not be that good at reading messages then, sorry. It just feels like more and more stuff points to you. Well, I would like to make an announcement that everyone playing should know. I will be out of town almost all of Saturday. I have no way of knowing who goes down until the Day phase is almost up.I just hope a yellow does not die tonight. I know the third party is still alive, so I hope they end up hitting a mafia member tonight. We can still win this of we try hard enough, and can start getting more blues. But I would also like to say that nothing good can come of the third-party being alive if they never targeted the mafia. They will eventually start targeting townies when they run out of mafia members to kill. Not much to do from that. Also, I am going to read back to day one. I think the night one to day one message did not meantime of the lunatic crest. I am assuming either Sanct it The8bitmushoom were killed by the vigilante and the other by the mafia. That would also mean that most likely that the third-party did not kill night one, but the vigilante killed the same night he died... Is this much of a lead or no? Maybe the third-party got a lunatic on night one? If that is the case, not only do we have to worry about the third-party who I highly think is Zeldamaster12, but we also have to worry about his deciples. I will quickly check how many players are alive.

So there are five yellows, six blues, a black, and six greens. That means we have five greens, a black, and two-four blues, and two yellows left. We have 12 people alive. The odds of Zeldamaster12 being a black role then skyrockets to a 1/6 of a chance, and not to mention the already evidence we have against him. I will not be available from 10:00 to 22:00 on Saturday February 18 in CST (UTC-6) and then not to mention my time asleep. So good luck everyone and hope we get mafia members while I am asleep.

To be completly honest, i've really stopped caring about playing, I don't think i'd be right to force me to contiune.

So your forcing me suffer trough and game that's honestly stressing me out? I'm hontestly not having fun anymore and only feel
irritated playing it. Forcing someone to continue when they really aren't having any fun and just want the game to end doesn't really
seem that fair. If it's true that once you enter a mafia game, you MUST stay throughout the entire thing no matter how much emotinal stress or
irritation it's causing you, then i'm probably not playing again for awhile after this.

Mosaic, if you feel annoyed then you can just pause for a moment instead of talking yourself into a rage.

In a game with two killing parties alive, it's always possible for anyone, including the enemy, to be targeted at any time. Notice how there were two kills Night 1 and Night 2, so this allows to conclude that ZM definitely wasn't targeted even if he was immune. Then Night 3 happened, and maybe ZM was targeted this time, maybe he's the Enchanter or he's now a recruited lunatic, but as of now, we don't have a chance to know. It was possible that an immortal was targeted or a lunatic was recruited or a roleblock happened without involving ZM.

Now for Mechdragon: You lied about the part of not having claimed the TP's inspection in the first iteration of the game, check here. I don't really want to assume that you simply forgot. Also, ZM definitely isn't part of the Mafia, since a Mafia member (thg1) would never ever try to bring a teammate down, especially when considering that thg1 would have still been lynched on Day 4 if he had survived the kitb.

To add further: Remember that even Spinda survived M31 from the start to the end, as the Sheriff role. Good players don't always get killed early on.

Suspicion summary:

(Of course everyone is innocent to themselves so there's no point with putting yourself as "not suspicious" unless you're fully confirmed anyway).

Not be Mafia but maybe TP/recruited: Zeldamaster12, King of Eterity: reason stated above, and I think KoE is less likely to be the TP than ZM. The chance exists for both, but we would need more evidence before starting a lynch on either of them.

Suspicious: Mechdragon, MosaicMario: Yeah, you two pushed more hard on accusing ZM than apropriate. There's no reason to believe thg1's claim blindly. For him being a moribund mafia member, the "reckless act" on ZM was a legit move in a situation where he could have forced a kitb. Mech has prattled away on some things like I've said above (remember furthermore that the vigi died N1, so it's 100% sure that Mafia and TP both killed Night 1 and 2).

Inactive / Slightly suspicious: Megar, Yoshi021, bossedit8, Tsutsumi-Chan: All of them stick to the shadows a lot and don't really contribute to the work of finding leads. I guess Waddle Derp is just very lenient on replacing any of them, but there's still a fair chance for all of them that they have something to hide.

Unsure: Mivixion, Rudeguy: They're at least posting a little bit more often than the ones listed above. I have a little townread on Mivixion but that's all.

Supershroom wrote:Mosaic, if you feel annoyed then you can just pause for a moment instead of talking yourself into a rage.

In a game with two killing parties alive, it's always possible for anyone, including the enemy, to be targeted at any time. Notice how there were two kills Night 1 and Night 2, so this allows to conclude that ZM definitely wasn't targeted even if he was immune. Then Night 3 happened, and maybe ZM was targeted this time, maybe he's the Enchanter or he's now a recruited lunatic, but as of now, we don't have a chance to know. It was possible that an immortal was targeted or a lunatic was recruited or a roleblock happened without involving ZM.

Now for Mechdragon: You lied about the part of not having claimed the TP's inspection in the first iteration of the game, check here. I don't really want to assume that you simply forgot. Also, ZM definitely isn't part of the Mafia, since a Mafia member (thg1) would never ever try to bring a teammate down, especially when considering that thg1 would have still been lynched on Day 4 if he had survived the kitb.

Right before I go to the Mardi-Gras parade, I would like to say I actually did forget. There is a way higher secondary chance that Zeldamaster12 being third-party than any one else. I hope the host can send me text message of who goes down tonight since I have no way of knowing otherwise.

MECHDRAGON777 wrote:There is a way higher secondary chance that Zeldamaster12 being third-party than any one else.

i don't get this, why is zm more likely to be third party?

IT'S DAYYYY 5

MEGAR'S DEAD YO
NOT GOOD!!

NIGHT 5 STARTS 17:30 PM UTC, OR WHEN AN INSTA OCCURS

Ouch, that's not good

I'm tempted to place a vote on Mechdragon or MosaicMario, but I'm leaning more towards MosaicMario.

Both are making baseless accusations. I would probably vote Mosaic though since he is the one who is raging about and the fact he does not want to play is not really good for anyone.

Not good stuff.

fuck me man...

ok, people tell me what we should work with, i want to hear both sides of this

I guess we are kind of fucked at this point if the medic was killed, and the fact that Nanaya is most likely the sheriff, he will be the most likely target. And then it may mean just lynching off anyone who is a possible lead and hope for the best.